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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Artificial_Icecube said:
They heal from an absurd amount of damage, but they don't seem to grow back missing bits (hence Conquest's cyberetic hand and Kregg's cybernetic eye).
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They do regenerate body parts and limbs, but injuries caused during scorch virus infection stay for ever.

The virus fucks with their regeneration that is why many post infection viltrumites cannot easily recover from debilitating injuries.

Anyways back to the update.

"Somewhere bad" is ironically vague as a command, but we know Armstrong can only open portals to other earths so that limits his options. Also as an orange lantern construct tied to Paul the 'somewhere bad' should be intuitive based on its master underlying desires. So what would invincible Paul consider bad?

Meta wise he has contact with Jevek and knows DC earths are out there, so of the DC branch Invincible Paul would likely regard a DC earth taken over by Darkseid as very bad (one we know exist thanks to angel Paul), if other universe's are options for Invincible Paul underlying subconscious desires then we have to limit it to stuff he knew about before the split when the fic started... That means 40k earth is an option meanwhile Worm likely isn't.

@Mr Zoat am I reading too much into this?
 
soulreaper22 said:
Did you mean to do this?
Thong's face falls, "Ah, shi-.", along with the rest of the front of his body.
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No. 'His face fell' is an expression meaning 'he started looking sad'. If he was already cut in half at that point then he wouldn't be speaking.
Signaller said:
Are we absolutely certain that viltrumites can't just regenerate from that, either half or even both?
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Canonically, I don't think they can survive that. For the purpose of this story you may assume that they can't.
mastermenthe said:
No, Not Worm!
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Wouldn't work. The Entities create a shield around a group of parallel universes precisely to prevent that.
BlackCoat13 said:
Remove full stop(?)
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Why?
Ngamer11 said:
That should say 'Thong'
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Thank you, corrected.
Chaoswind said:
@Mr Zoat am I reading too much into this?
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Yes. You've spent about five hundred times as much time thinking about it as I have.
 
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Mr Zoat said:
No. 'His face fell' is an expression meaning 'he started looking sad'. If he was already cut in half at that point then he wouldn't be speaking.

Canonically, I don't think they can survive that. For the purpose of this story you may assume that they can't.

Wouldn't work. The Entities create a shield around a group of parallel universes precisely to prevent that.

Why?

Thank you, corrected.

Yes. You've spent about five hundred times as much time thinking about it as I have.
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I wouldn't say a few minutes of contemplation after waking up at 3 am is really that much.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Local Invincible flies in, trying to keep track of Thong as he closes the distance. And Thong isn't exactly.. faster, not in the super speed sense. He just.. moves better. A deflection, a knee to the diaphragm, a light push and a vertical spinning kick and Local Invincible is eating tarmac and struggling to breath through a flattened nose with no idea how he got there. Invincible decides to be more active and more cautious, moving, jabbing and kicking-. And it's no good because Thong responds instinctively to everything. Fists, feet, knees and elbows unerringly slam into points of vulnerability; diaphragm, liver, throat and arm joints on his burned side and I see his upper arm snap.
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'breathe'
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Purple tried to intervene and Thong dodges out from between then before slamming their faces into each other. Armour Invincible manages to get a glancing hit on his back while he's surveying his results, but that just prompts him to grab Bulletproof and hurl him in Armour's direction to soak the next shot.
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'tries'?
Mr Zoat said:
"Ugh."

-briefly grabs his legs and holding on for about three seconds before getting awkwardly kicked off.
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'holds'?
 
Chaoswind said:
I wouldn't say a few minutes of contemplation after waking up at 3 am is really that much.
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I'm glad that you like my story, but I would advise against disrupting your sleep cycle just to read an update a few hours earlier.

Assuming that 'a few minutes' is at least 3 minutes, that's at least 180 seconds. Since I spent less than a third of a second considering the line before writing it, that tracks.
Duke Long said:
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Thank you, corrected.
 
I was gonna question if he can only open up portals to other Invincible universes, but then I remembered that canonically he actually can open portals to both Marvel and DC universes since he met both Spiderman and Batman. Plus some other crossovers.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"I do not object, but Despair almost certainly will."
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Also, since it's been rattling around my head: I don't see how we get this outcome until/unless Despair becomes Defeat or Dismay, or some similar word for "loss/sorrow" that doesn't Require hopelessness. Possibly with the retcon that Despair changed before Delirium did; possibly with one of the effects of their being universal loss of any memory that could give hope of Undoing the change—up to and especially memory that such a change had even happened. And possibly in a way that ties deeply into the defeat of the anti-life.

Once again, I'm excited to see where that goes.
 
Mr Zoat said:
I'm glad that you like my story, but I would advise against disrupting your sleep cycle just to read an update a few hours earlier.
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They're not the only one. When I can't sleep I'll sometimes pick a random page in this story and read for about two or three hours. :)

NightmareWarden said:
It hasn't come up. There is no reason for a construct ring to surpass a normal ring. I imagine the construct is interpreting the user's verbal or non-verbal avarice instead of a ring AI, which would have a a few drawbacks. A real ring and construct ring trying to work together as smoothly as two proper rings…? No idea.

I have trouble believing that a construct can hold more than 20% of a ring's charge, given how cheap they are to respawn. I think we saw on Tamaran in Renegade that construct rings recharge the normal way, and they have enough of a capacity to support novice Lanterns through extended fights.
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If you put aside moral questions, could a prospective Orange Lantern without a personal lantern operate indefinitly, by cycling through construct rings using their last x% to assimilate someone and use them to generate a fresh, charged ring? We know Ragnar managed to work through about five or six construct rings, but we don't know if those were each equivalent to a fully charged ring on terms of battery life, or if he figured out how to transfer data between construct rings when he swapped them. It also isn't clear why those rings, when drained, didn't evaporate and respawn from Larfleeze's ring (unless Ragnar stopped using them at say 5%?).
 
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ForeverShogo said:
I was gonna question if he can only open up portals to other Invincible universes, but then I remembered that canonically he actually can open portals to both Marvel and DC universes since he met both Spiderman and Batman. Plus some other crossovers.
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I know about the Spider-Man and Batman crossovers but what other worlds has he opened portals too?
 
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    08:00 GMT

    The door opens on the hour on the dot, and I walk… Through.

    They've… Done some remodelling.

    The array of monitors and computers which Mr. Atom was using to monitor things has been expanded and improved. Some screens do the same things that they used to in displaying points of interest. Others show complex patterns which-

    Translation available.

    -my rings don't translate because the human brain wasn't meant for that level of information processing but which I'm sure suits him just fine. Mr. Atom himself is pressing buttons on his customised keyboard and making noises like a dialup modem at three different pitches that I can hear simultaneously.

    Maybe I should introduce him to Dox at some point? Or maybe that would remind Dox of his father too much.

    Mr. Atom doesn't look around.

    "Orange Lantern. You have been scheduled twenty minutes plus minus five minutes. Will that be sufficient?"

    "I hope so. Sorry, I assumed that I would be talking to Batman."

    "You have been scheduled thirty seconds plus minus fifteen seconds for this explanation."

    "Understood. I'll be concise."

    "Good."

    There's no noise, but Batman just sort of appears. He wasn't invisible… Not unless he's found a way to defy literally every sensor type I have, which I suppose is just about possible. Instead, I think he just used some sort of novel teleportation with no residue that I can immediately detect. He's still wearing his power ring, but I didn't.. detect him using it just then.

    "Orange Lantern. You have concerns."

    "Yes, sir. I outlined them in my original message. I hoped that-."

    He turns around. "Come with me."

    He steps forwards and vanishes. Some sort of invisible Dolmen Gate? I wave a rune stone at it but only detect background levels of magic.

    Shrugging, I send the stone back to subspace and follow him.

    And… It's dark. Scans aren't showing me anything… At all. From what little I can see in the reflected light of our environmental shields there are… Monoliths of some kind planted along some sort of upwards-sloping pathway, but that's about all that I'm getting. Atmosphere… Slightly increased levels of oxygen relative to Earth normal. Mildly invigorating, with a slightly increased fire risk. In the case of somewhere Batman built it's almost certainly intentional.

    I stride after him, trying to learn something from the back of his head.

    "Sir?"

    "I read your book."

    I.. wasn't sure, but it seemed likely that he would. Particularly since getting a ring of his own, but I can see how having additional information on how I think would be invaluable to him.

    "Unfortunately, it seems that in my case enlightenment will have to wait."

    "I'm not sure that the world would survive you bonding with Parallax."

    "I wouldn't bond with Parallax unless I was sure that I could control it."

    Which wouldn't happen. My merging with the Ophidian was a best case scenario…

    "The only lead I can think of-."

    "Diablo Island's binding tattoos are far too fragile for me to consider it."

    I nod. He's right, as far as long-term bindings go. I looked into it before I got my own tattoos. But if he just wanted a temporary glimpse of how Parallax views fear and its place in the universe, then the same standards don't apply.

    "I agree, but-."

    "Zatara has the design. If it can be improved upon, he'll let me know."

    I nod, my gaze lingering on where my feet tell me that the floor is. I just… I was going to suggest to Batman something that would mess up his mind even more.

    Don't do that.

    "Sir? Where are we?"

    "Currently, the L Five Lagrange point. The facility has limited manoeuvring capacities, but it isn't a spaceship."

    "That's a.. long way from anywhere."

    "Not when you have a power ring. Or a galactic-range teleportation device."

    I frown. "The only form of teleportation device I know with that range and precision is a boom tube generator, and that wasn't a boom tube."

    "A hush tube generator. Apokolips uses them for covert insertions." I vaguely see him reach… Something ahead of us. He turns and sits, and I just stop as his eyes glow. "Canis and Angelica were able to secure one for me."

    "Universal covert point to point portals will be a significant improvement on zeta tubes."

    He leans forwards slightly. "I agree. But this will be a supplemental system. Zeta tubes are a mature technology, whereas getting another hush tube generator would be difficult, and making more is currently beyond us."

    Lights… Start coming up, a faint yellow shining from the… Rectangular blocks around us. They put me in mind of old-style mainframe computers… Or at least the representation of mainframes that were in Goldeneye. The light is.. running in lines, but I can't tell if it's lines of runes, of circuitry, or… Something else. Otherwise they're matte dark grey… I don't think they're stone as the texture isn't right, but they don't look like metal either.

    "You are concerned about the League taking on too much responsibility in the wake of civilization's collapse."

    "Basically… Yes sir."

    "I have reached the conclusion that we can't afford not to. Human countries have become too interdependent to isolate shocks in one region."

    "Is..? That why you were concerned with… Me saying that the League was taking over the planet? Because we..? Are?"

    "We're being given more power. We're not taking over. I wanted to be able to put things in their proper context before you put them in the wrong one."

    "Okay? So… What form does that take?"

    "You've seen Big Barda working with the Congregation?" I nod. "That. League members will be provided with squads of enhanced soldiers, transported by boom tube or hush tube, to impose order in places where civilization is in danger of breaking down."

    "Soldiers? I know.. the laws that.. you're putting through allows League members to call upon police assets, but-."

    "No. I know that you've been aware of the potential for using the Danner formula to create a super powered army. Hugo Danner demonstrated that it's perfectly viable to use in that way. I spent some time identifying, recruiting and training individuals to form a standing military force for the Justice League."

    "Enhanced?"

    "Yes, substantially. I believe that you have already met Mister Blank."
     
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    • Yikes.

    This feels like a "the path to hell is paved with good intentions" kinda thing.

    On the surface enhancing trustworthy people is exactly what Paul has been trying to advocate for. Using various tech and so on to advance people and society.

    And a organized force of Enhanced would have helped immensely with many of the events previously.

    ...but it's a bad look. And definitely a escalation.
     
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