With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Darko · 2026-07-03T03:23:19+0100

Vaermina said:
Darko, it isn't a calming effect that shuts the rings down, it's that the Blue Light of hope hard counters Red.

That's why it can even shut down machines that run on the Red Light

Yet a Red Lantern with sufficient rage can overcome a blue ring, like Razer did, even though he was on a planet with the Blue Central Power Battery at the time he did that.

Of course you forgot that detail and even if I show you the relevant clip, you'llignore it.

Vaermina said:
Given the number of times they have called Bullshit on Earth, this just straight up isn't true

Sockmonkey said:
That means they also know that the place has thwarted the plans of Darskied and is now a big fat target for him, in addition to all the other Earth bullshit they would have to deal with

They also know that Earth isn't invincible, and they previously didn't have anything against Earth and its people, but now they do have something against them since Paul killed several of them and is now seemingly helping their enemies, so even if they think Earth is bullshit, they're still going to do these things.

Vaermina · 2026-07-03T04:47:16+0100

Darko said:
Yet a Red Lantern with sufficient rage can overcome a blue ring, like Razer did, even though he was on a planet with the Blue Central Power Battery at the time he did that.

Of course you forgot that detail and even if I show you the relevant clip, you'llignore it.

Which occurred after the radiative effect of the Blue Central Power Battery was suppressed by being eaten by a giant worm.

BR549 · 2026-07-03T04:53:25+0100

taylozinsee_2814 said:
Everyone saying Qward for the source of these two rings, and while I bet Qward would make anything in order to trade for some Nth metal, I think there's a more obvious supplier. The Seven Devils Cult.

I think the (now former) High Mor had a contact and he got on the phone like Zorg in the Fifth Element talking to an dark entity who was able to grant him a red ring (probably the most mystically connected rings) and maybe empower a green ring that Thanagar had captured / depleted long ago.

I don't think the Seven Devils cults would be able to make a red power ring. Maybe one of the Seven Devils themselves, but even so, that doesn't seem in their usual wheelhouse.

Now, a cult having contacts with Qward, that might be reasonable.

Mr Zoat · 2026-07-03T06:10:57+0100

18th September 2013
12:02 GMT

Emotional disruption might work, except that the red ring is clearly clouding out everything else. It would need to be exceptionally strong, and Katar isn't here. I can't bring him here because I don't have a way to bring him into the Honden without causing irreparable spiritual damage. I can't fly back to Earth and pick him up because even without the interdiction field if I'm not here Shayera and the sniper would probably kill Guarn and then attack the fleet. A fleet which isn't set up to fight Lanterns.

I viff viciously as Shayera actually works out how to throw fireballs. I look around in concern, but the ships have moved far enough apart that they don't hit them when I dodge.

A long way to my left I see small explosions as… Something destroys one of the frigates hunting for the sniper. Probably the sniper. A railgun powerful enough to shatter one of my constructs would make a mess of a small ship.

Other emotions… Hope and compassion aren't really her things. She's too practical for hope, used to not having things go her way when left to their own devices. And while she's not… Cruel, really, she protects people more out of a sense of societal obligation and for self-actualisation rather than actual affection for those she's protecting. And after she challenged me to a fight I'm perfectly happy to accept that there isn't much that she's fearful of. Even Katar dying; it would hurt, but she's been hurt by people dying before. Will is out without some higher good that she holds to appeal to, and the only one of those she's got is the good of the Thanagarian Empire.

Avarice?

I am supposed to be the expert. And I've looked at her deep enough to know everything that she desires. Reminded me a lot of Jade, actually.

Right. I fire energy pulses, not really trying to push through her flame aura but just to keep her… Focused. I'm not sure that that's how it works, but I don't have a massive amount of experience fighting rabid Red Lanterns. The one version of me I met with a red ring seemed pretty rational, and Orion… Managed to remain coherent-.

"Orange Lantern to Lantern Thal, can we talk about this?"

There's a momentary pause, then her face appears over my ring.

"Ngyaah!"

Warning! Ring structure experiencing-

Cuttheconnectioncuttheconnection!

-damage. Connection severed.

Right, fine.

Three more fireballs from her-. I deploy a steel plate from subspace and drop it in front of the first. It burns through and keeps coming, but it's slower and looks a little dimmer. And it's off course now, anyway. Second-. I form railgun constructs, load crumbler rounds and open fire. The first… Ugh, seven are incinerated without effect and I'm forced to evade, two and three flying off into space.

Avarice infusion next.

I see the structures I remember, and the flames eating at them, keeping them away from her consciousness and threatening to consume them entirely. I apply a little of Our power, fanning her need to act within the bounds of accepted processes for her own protection and her desire to avoid the mind altering drugs that are all too common in downside. Her use of a red ring-.

The flames are heading for-.

Cutthe-!

"Ah-haaah!"

That-! Bitch! I'll-!

"Guh-!"

Consume!

Shayera-!

I parry her mace-swing with an x-ionised sword, and I'm pleased to see that the nonsense that renders it super sharp and super resilient mostly holds out against her flame aura and the discharge of the Nth metal mace even if it does get knocked out of my hand, a molten mess.

She flies past me-. She wasn't expecting me to stop like that, and-. Aagh, regenerate, pick a new direction and fly! Booster constructs, because she's turning pretty darn fast.

"Guarn, update."

"The delegates are on the ship and leaving the system. I will find the other attacker."

"Remember, armour and constant movement."

"Yes, Illustres."

Alright, Shayera's on my tail again. Next option… Direct crumbler attack. I know enough about thanagarian physiology that as long as I don't hit Shayera's brain I should be able to fix her up. And getting a hit on her right hand would make this a lot easier.

Reform the railguns and fire. Ring, monitor.

Compliance.

She doesn't bother dodging, madly staring eyes utterly fixated on me as she continues to fly after me.

Negative impact, negative impact, negative impact…

They're burning up before they hit, so the crumbler effect isn't even triggering. Okay, switch from impact trigger to remote trigger, load and fire.

Compliance.

Okay, that's-. Having a negligible impact, but it is having some. Load x-ionised round and wait until there's a faint dimming-.

There.

Fire.

She could block it, but she's 'learned' that she doesn't need to.

The first shot-. She twitchedfuck! It passes through her flame aura and cuts into her abdomen, slicing through skin, intestines and flying out of her back.

Her blood is liquid fire, and sprays freely from both sides of the wound. She appears in front of me, swinging her ma-!

Guh!

Crumber gauntlets! Sword!

My armour's melting and the right side of my chest is paste, but the gauntlet is disrupting the aura-.

There! Cut!

My x-ionised sword cuts through her wrist, her aura vanishing at once.

"Shayera Thal." The ring flies back from her severed hand as she chokes on vacuum. "Rage."

Oh no you fucking don't!

I smash the ring with my right crumbler gauntlet while projecting my desire for the horrid thing to stop existing! The fist hits, and the ring's gone.

Take a breath.

Scan Shayera. Thanagarians don't do much better with vacuum exposure than humans do, but if she's got some sort of hold out weapon-. No, she's out of it. Environmental shield, grab her… Severed hand, and head for the carrier.

I'll go after the sniper once she's safe and secure.

Oglymogly · 2026-07-03T06:20:00+0100

I really don't understand the overall plan here. Piss Paul off enough to erase the rest of the leadership? Ensure everyone in the vicinity joins this coalition?
Unless this isn't the only attack, and they have multiple rings...

Signaller · 2026-07-03T06:23:11+0100

I hope that at some point OL calls Dox to check that Orion's ring is still safe.

Alan975 · 2026-07-03T06:25:25+0100

expected, although the 'bitch' had me convinced that the Rage would be the thing that makes him put the rabid dog down.

Steelplaza · 2026-07-03T06:45:20+0100

Oglymogly said:
I really don't understand the overall plan here. Piss Paul off enough to erase the rest of the leadership? Ensure everyone in the vicinity joins this coalition?
Unless this isn't the only attack, and they have multiple rings...

Kill Paul. That was the plan.

It didn't work and maybe it never had a high chance of working, but you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

BR549 · 2026-07-03T06:52:24+0100

Oglymogly said:
I really don't understand the overall plan here. Piss Paul off enough to erase the rest of the leadership? Ensure everyone in the vicinity joins this coalition?
Unless this isn't the only attack, and they have multiple rings...

Ideally? Kill Paul and all of the delegates.

Practically? Distract Paul long enough to take out a significant proportion of the delegates.

It was a partial success. Presumably they did not expect a Green Lantern to be on site as well; if Guarn hadn't been there it would have gone much better for Team Angry Angry Thangarians.

Chojin Patriarch · 2026-07-03T07:03:54+0100

Mr Zoat said:
18th September 2013
12:02 GMT

Emotional disruption might work, except that the red ring is clearly clouding out everything else. It would need to be exceptionally strong, and Katar isn't here. I can't bring him here because I don't have a way to bring him into the Honden without causing irreparable spiritual damage. I can't fly back to Earth and pick him up because even without the interdiction field if I'm not here Shayera and the sniper would probably kill Guarn and then attack the fleet. A fleet which isn't set up to fight Lanterns.

Which means tanking or dodging her hits, staying alive and somehow stopping her without killing her. Well, this'll be a cakewalk for sure... And that sniper's still around, of course. Thankfully, he hasn't been targetting OL.

I viff viciously as Shayera actually works out how to throw fireballs. I look around in concern, but the ships have moved far enough apart that they don't hit them when I dodge.

A long way to my left I see small explosions as… Something destroys one of the frigates hunting for the sniper. Probably the sniper. A railgun powerful enough to shatter one of my constructs would make a mess of a small ship.

Great, she's getting clever with the Red Ring, while the sniper is starting to demolish bystanders. This has to end fast.

Other emotions… Hope and compassion aren't really her things. She's too practical for hope, used to not having things go her way when left to their own devices. And while she's not… Cruel, really, she protects people more out of a sense of societal obligation and for self-actualisation rather than actual affection for those she's protecting. And after she challenged me to a fight I'm perfectly happy to accept that there isn't much that she's fearful of. Even Katar dying; it would hurt, but she's been hurt by people dying before. Will is out without some higher good that she holds to appeal to, and the only one of those she's got is the good of the Thanagarian Empire.

It's not like he can whistle up a source of Compassion or Fear right now either. And Alan would take as long to get here as calling in Katar would.

Avarice?

I am supposed to be the expert. And I've looked at her deep enough to know everything that she desires. Reminded me a lot of Jade, actually.

The problem is if her biggest desire right now is to kill you.

Right. I fire energy pulses, not really trying to push through her flame aura but just to keep her… Focused. I'm not sure that that's how it works, but I don't have a massive amount of experience fighting rabid Red Lanterns. The one version of me I met with a red ring seemed pretty rational, and Orion… Managed to remain coherent-.

Only through spite, I suspect. Orion has had a long relationship with Rage, after all.

"Orange Lantern to Lantern Thal, can we talk about this?"

There's a momentary pause, then her face appears over my ring.

"Ngyaah!"

That would be a 'No', then. Probably with a side-order of 'fuck you!'...

Warning! Ring structure experiencing-

Cuttheconnectioncuttheconnection!

-damage. Connection severed.

Ooof, even remote contact is enough to cause damage? The Red Ring must have a back-hacking function wired in.

Right, fine.

Three more fireballs from her-. I deploy a steel plate from subspace and drop it in front of the first. It burns through and keeps coming, but it's slower and looks a little dimmer. And it's off course now, anyway. Second-. I form railgun constructs, load crumbler rounds and open fire. The first… Ugh, seven are incinerated without effect and I'm forced to evade, two and three flying off into space.

Probably because the 'fire' is as much physical as Red Light. And the sensation of crumbling constructs probably just makes her angrier.

Avarice infusion next.

I see the structures I remember, and the flames eating at them, keeping them away from her consciousness and threatening to consume them entirely. I apply a little of Our power, fanning her need to act within the bounds of accepted processes for her own protection and her desire to avoid the mind altering drugs that are all too common in downside. Her use of a red ring-.

Careful there, OL. tapping into the Ophidian against The Butcher's power might get its attention.

The flames are heading for-.

Cutthe-!

"Ah-haaah!"

That probably felt like his soul getting burnt. Which would be one hell of a sensation.

That-! Bitch! I'll-!

"Guh-!"

And some of it stuck to him probably helped by his tattoos absorbing it. Not that Rage isn't infectious in the right conditions anyway.

Consume!

Shayera-!

At least separated from the source, it's easier to tear apart. Just remember to keep dodging, OL, or you'll need to regrow a head.

I parry her mace-swing with an x-ionised sword, and I'm pleased to see that the nonsense that renders it super sharp and super resilient mostly holds out against her flame aura and the discharge of the Nth metal mace even if it does get knocked out of my hand, a molten mess.

Which is stupidly impressive, even if it did eventually give way.

She flies past me-. She wasn't expecting me to stop like that, and-. Aagh, regenerate, pick a new direction and fly! Booster constructs, because she's turning pretty darn fast.

"Guarn, update."

"The delegates are on the ship and leaving the system. I will find the other attacker."

Good, let's hope they don't give chase to the fleeing craft.

"Remember, armour and constant movement."

"Yes, Illustres."

You don't become a Green Lantern without a measure of good discipline, of course, but I'm impressed by the respect shown in using OL's title. Though given the show OL's putting on, managing Shayera? It shows he's earned that title and respect.

Alright, Shayera's on my tail again. Next option… Direct crumbler attack. I know enough about thanagarian physiology that as long as I don't hit Shayera's brain I should be able to fix her up. And getting a hit on her right hand would make this a lot easier.

Reform the railguns and fire. Ring, monitor.

Though replacing any Nth Metal he accidentally disintegrates might be expensive. And at least the Red Ring is on a hand. This would be so much harder if it was set in the typical spot.

Compliance.

She doesn't bother dodging, madly staring eyes utterly fixated on me as she continues to fly after me.

At least the Rage is stopping her from using all her tactical acumen to outsmart him. Drawback of the berserker state.

Negative impact, negative impact, negative impact…

They're burning up before they hit, so the crumbler effect isn't even triggering. Okay, twitch from impact trigger to remote trigger, load and fire.

Trying to sidestep the contact destruction effect through good timing? Could work...

Compliance.

Okay, that's-. Having a negligible impact, but it is having some. Load x-ionised round and wait until there's a faint dimming-.

Going for a shot at the Ring while the defences are weakened? It's gonna be tricky.

There.

Fire.

She could block it, but she's 'learned' that she doesn't need to.

Which works against her, because she's not expecting her protection to collapse from the crumblers. And she's in such a state the injury won't slow her down.

The first shot-. She twitchedfuck! It passes through her flame aura and cuts into her abdomen, slicing through skin, intestines and flying out of her back.

Her blood is liquid fire, and sprays freely from both sides of the wound. She

Ouch. Good thing he's going to be patching her up afterwards, or that would leave a mark.

appears in front of me, swinging her ma-!

Guh!

FTL Transition out of pure fury? That's a terrifyingly impressive rate of improvement.

Crumber gauntlets! Sword!

My armour's melting and the right side of my chest is paste, but the gauntlet is disrupting the aura-.

Melee combat with someone actively on fire. Never pleasant.

There! Cut!

My x-ionised sword cuts through her wrist, her aura vanishing at once.

Good, Ring separated from user. Now snag it or kill it...

"Shayera Thal." The ring flies back from her severed hand as she chokes on vacuum. "Rage."

Oh no you fucking don't!

...Before it gets away. I'm guessing it was programmed with her as its primary user rather than active search protocols, which definitely suggests a custom job intended for a single user.

I smash the ring with my right crumbler gauntlet while projecting my desire for the horrid thing to stop existing! The fist hits, and the ring's gone.

Take a breath.

Pity he couldn't capture it, but the risk would have been too great.

Scan Shayera. Thanagarians don't do much better with vacuum exposure than humans do, but if she's got some sort of hold out weapon-. No, she's out of it. Environmental shield, grab her… Severed hand, and head for the carrier.

I'll go after the sniper once she's safe and secure.

Assuming capturing her doesn't make the sniper target you or her now...

A vicious brawl, but when isn't it such when a Red Ring is involved? I shudder to imagine what would have happened if he'd been infected by the Red Light, or worse, the Ophidian had when he tapped her power. We can only hope that didn't resonate with the big bull and wake it up or draw its focus... Hopefully once Shayera wakes up, she can shed some light on how this happened.

NightmareWarden · 2026-07-03T07:38:46+0100

A sniper that can keep up with the mobility of a lantern? Through space, I mean, to reach the meeting spot.

Wait, is another red ring actively destroying something under Hyathis right now?

Neruz · 2026-07-03T08:31:30+0100

Oglymogly said:
I really don't understand the overall plan here. Piss Paul off enough to erase the rest of the leadership? Ensure everyone in the vicinity joins this coalition?
Unless this isn't the only attack, and they have multiple rings...

Deniable asset attack on the gathering of the alliance leadership in the hopes of killing the delegates and scaring their governments into not forming said alliance.

BR549 · 2026-07-03T08:42:53+0100

NightmareWarden said:
A sniper that can keep up with the mobility of a lantern? Through space, I mean, to reach the meeting spot.

Given that Paul's ring called out incoming Will as well as Rage, it can be reasonably assumed the sniper has some flavor of green (or, as was pointed out, Anti-green) ring.

Vaermina · 2026-07-03T09:00:48+0100

Oglymogly said:
I really don't understand the overall plan here. Piss Paul off enough to erase the rest of the leadership? Ensure everyone in the vicinity joins this coalition?
Unless this isn't the only attack, and they have multiple rings...

If the Thanagarians have multiple rings? The best plan would be to distract Paul while the rest of the Lanterns either take out Queenie or take back the planets she seized.

Sockmonkey · 2026-07-03T09:28:58+0100

Darko said:
They also know that Earth isn't invincible, and they previously didn't have anything against Earth and its people, but now they do have something against them since Paul killed several of them and is now seemingly helping their enemies, so even if they think Earth is bullshit, they're still going to do these things.

They have something against Paul, but are they seeing him as representing Earth, or the orange lantern corps?

WereDragon · 2026-07-03T10:17:47+0100

Mr Zoat said:
Right. I fire energy pulses, not really trying to push through her flame aura but just to keep her… Focused.

Aren't energy pulses fairly inefficient and extremely weak when he doesn't actually want to destroy the target?

They're burning up before they hit, so the crumbler effect isn't even triggering. Okay, twitch from impact trigger to remote trigger, load and fire.

Why bother with a trigger? Just fire a larger projectile that can maintain a crumbler field for several seconds, activating as soon as it leaves the construct.

My armour's melting and the right side of my chest is paste

Can't help but feel Paul very much suffers from the Good Thing You Can Heal trope. Pretty much every fight that isn't trivial involves him taking crippling or lethal damage, often several times. Combined with his methodical and analytical approach to combat it makes him seem very bad at actually fighting.

BlackCoat13 · 2026-07-03T10:52:19+0100

Mr Zoat said:
Okay, twitch from impact trigger to remote trigger, load and fire.

switch from

Mr Zoat said:
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appears in front of me, swinging her ma-!

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RonniFaww · 2026-07-03T11:27:40+0100

NightmareWarden said:
A sniper that can keep up with the mobility of a lantern? Through space, I mean, to reach the meeting spot.

Wait, is another red ring actively destroying something under Hyathis right now?

That mobility issue is a massive head-scratcher! If it's actually keeping pace with a lantern, the physics behind that jump must be wild—do you think it's some kind of tethered travel or pure raw power?

And good catch on Hyathis! I was so focused on the sniper that I almost missed the red ring activity. If something is being leveled down there, it completely changes the scale of the threat. Are we looking at a coordinated strike, or is this just chaos spreading?

Mr Zoat · 2026-07-03T11:34:06+0100

WereDragon said:
Aren't energy pulses fairly inefficient and extremely weak when he doesn't actually want to destroy the target?

Energy pulses are fairly inefficient and extremely weak and are used when he doesn't actually want to destroy the target.

Why bother with a trigger? Just fire a larger projectile that can maintain a crumbler field for several seconds, activating as soon as it leaves the construct.

Because he doesn't want to destroy an allied ship if he misses.

Can't help but feel Paul very much suffers from the Good Thing You Can Heal trope. Pretty much every fight that isn't trivial involves him taking crippling or lethal damage, often several times. Combined with his methodical and analytical approach to combat it makes him seem very bad at actually fighting.

He is fairly bad at fighting. His focus is on raw power and exotic ring use, which is great against Reach ships that he wants to destroy, but is far less helpful against people he wants to keep alive. If he tried turning it into a sword versus mace fight, he'd lose.

BlackCoat13 said:
switch from

Thank you, corrected.

Remove random line break.

I don't remember whether that was intentional or not. I'll change it for now.

Ardy · 2026-07-03T12:32:15+0100

Mr Zoat said:
Because he doesn't want to destroy an allied ship if he misses.

He wasn't that close to the ships and space is really really big, also a single crumbler with a human sized field or smaller wouldn't more than inconvenience a ship, less if it had its shield up, at worst making it a better target for the sniper who ignores shields anyway

Mr Zoat · 2026-07-03T12:41:31+0100

Ardy said:
He wasn't that close to the ships and space is really really big, also a single crumbler with a human sized field or smaller wouldn't more than inconvenience a ship, less if it had its shield up, at worst making it a better target for the sniper who ignores shields anyway

A single crumbler round wouldn't destroy an entire ship, but it could down their shields on one facing and let the sniper destroy a larger ship. There's nothing so far to suggest that the sniper is ignoring shields, merely that they're able to use enough force to shoot through at least some shields.

CTrees · 2026-07-03T14:14:04+0100

BR549 said:
Team Angry Angry Thangarians

"Team Angry Birds" was right there.

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