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uju32 said:
I generally don't either, but sometimes I make exceptions.
Who says we'd still have it? There's a reason to grind this kind of stuff. Dangerous, but Itachi is not insurmountable by any means.
You do not need to be Naruto to convince people to do stuff for you.
In fact, just look at how much of this Quest is spent talking and compare it to how much is spent fighting. No, really. I'll wait.
Furiko has us talk and play the social game WAY more than we fight. And before she dumped us into the chunin exams, she planned two arcs: Nabiki, and investigate Takoazoa family arc. All things with a heavy emphasis on the social.
Seriously. You don't need to be Naruto to just talk to people and convince them to do stuff. Diplomacy is not his province, plenty of others can do it besides shouting at people and making them do what he wants because charisma. It can be finessed.
Once again: go tally up time spent fighting versus talking, investigating, and otherwise being a social butterfly, and how Furiko is always willing to let us spend extra time and updates interacting with people instead of speeding forward to combat.
No, I think caper and social related stuff with village intrigue has and will continue to massive outstrip everything else.
You're the one who points out how haxx we are now. Why do you think it'll take us until we're in our fifties to match Jiraiya, when we're the reincarnation of a master thief, have him in our head, and Furiko seriously fangirls Lupin? She even put Lupin himself in the story and we just got one of the old posse back. Probably gonna see the rest of the gang too now, sooner or later. A whole group of professional thieves, straight from their home world, what do you think she's gonna use them for? Cheerleaders to the ninja battles?
Writing on the wall seems clear to me.
*points to our stuff and growing experience*
I think it is safe to say that Lupin disagrees. Stealing and heists is a very big part of the personality.
Or get clever.
Wow. Just....wow.
Dude, you just said that to do social interaction and talk with people to convince them of things, you must be Ninja Jesus or Mind Rape.
That is an incredibly warped perspective on social interaction. Or that's how it's coming across. It's completely disregarding the possibility of huge numbers of circumstances, the fact that people have agendas, and that we can appeal to their agendas.
You cited Kakuzu in the omake. Remember Ino talking her way out of that? Cha-ching, there's some epic talking your way out of trouble. An example of getting out of shit and without relying on Charisma.
Upgraded to seinin, and how many desperate ninjutsu battles have you seen us do?
Especially compared to all the social interaction or intrigue stuff. Seriously, that stuff outclasses all those desperate ninjutsu battles by a country mile. We have finished the first round of exams and instead of moving to to training and whatnot, we are dong MORE social interaction and plotlines.
Agenda's clearly changed dude. We didn't even have a 'desperate ninjutsu battle' at the end of the first arc. All fights have been completed overshadowed compared to stuff outside of fights.
In fact, do you remember when we were choosing characters? When Usagi was a choice?
If that happened, Furiko says that was a path in which we may just plain not become a ninja at all. That's how radically Furiko would be willing to change the basic premise of the show. Not even being a ninja.
They aren't as good as us. And going by the impression I've been getting with Lupin, getting away with this kind of stuff is what he thrives on. Sure, there's some fighting, but when we were just a kid what we were a natural at was escaping and stealing stuff.
I can't imagine how you've stuck around from the beginning then.
Policy seems radically changed, so I don't think that counts.
And there's no bloodline troubles.
They did.
Which means a vastly different outcome.
No, it's not. Look at Gaara. If we'd assumed his abilities were the same and not looked into him or figured out his identity, we'd be screwed. Look at Zabuza. He's not a missing-nin, assuming that would be bad. Look at Deidara. New residence. Look at the Ame trio, who until Furiko mentioned the big changes you would have blithely assumed (incorrectly) their current location and priorities.
Yahiko is alive, that's big.
Hell, look at Kankuro and see how very many assumptions have been smashed into teeny tiny pieces.
Canon is not to be assumed. We can use it as a reference and have some ideas, but assuming it will hold until disproven? Bad policy. Keep canon in mind, be ready for it being thrown out the window instead of counting on things we frankly have no guarantee anything will be the same. So don't go making assumptions when Furiko is making it her personal mission to subvert our expectations. All you'll do is make it easier for her to fool you.
A guide is not a bible though. Especially when everything has been upgraded from shounen logic to seinin logic. Take canon as ways and reasons things can go down, expect Furiko to subvert expectations and manufacture new stuff as it suits her.
We don't even know Tobi exists right now. If I'm wrong, find me a citation.
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