General World of Darkness Discussion Thread QQ Edition

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The thought popped in my head of a guy embraced by the Setites or a bloodline of them (the South African ones are noted to be distant from the main clan and having trouble with their new neonates not believing the elders/dhamballans have outright fights with them) who hates that he got embraced into the clan that is weak to strong electric torches and bright lights before learning he is in the Rule 34 clan of Every Fetish

Guy: we are only not the worst because the Tzimisce and Baali exist

Most people presume he is a weird malkavian or toreador. He has to make frenzy checks when people talk about Setites

Anarchs: actually they are called the ministry

Guy: Have you heard of the children of Judas? Rebranding doesn't change the intent when it's the same people

 

[shadowdice]

I had been looking at the Ebony Kingdom book because I remembered a forum post claiming there was reference to Setites making Revenants in the book

There actually is a paragraph about the sub Saharan setites's use of breeding pens where they use normal humans, ghouls, and blood sorcery to make shock troops for the return of Set. The few successes are super hairy…which is an odd one for setites. Most revenants have a different kind of weakness outside of the one that is all albinos that burn in light

Laibon are interesting as the dominance of some clans (Guruhi, Nagloper, Osebo which seem to be nosferatu, Tzimisce, and Brujah) can be used to try and understand some of the migration of vampires.

Saulot went east, everyone knows that. But it seems that Ventrue also went east given the Danava. There is also an 8th generation Ventrue that was Native American so Ventrue MIGHT have crossed the ancient land bridge. Ennoia/Gangrel seems to have gone to India with or chasing Ravnos and gone further east with the Anda coming from that and maybe the Noiad, she also likely crossed the land bridge or went through the water.

Set might have moved south further down Africa but as setites migrate further from their origin they tend to change and eventually drop Set entirely. The daitya in India no longer have serpentis and instead have blood sorcery while the Serpents of Light loosely came from the Children of Dhamballa (that dropped obfuscate for auspex) that loosely came from sub Sahara setites

The Tlacique have the weakness of Setites but have protean which can point to the "set is a diablerist or had changed disciplines after messing with Apep" theory though there is the Gangrel theory and debate on if Drowned Legacies are a separate species. I don't like that last one with how messy Kuei Jin got. Them being the result of vampires that migrated with humanity or other antediluvians sound better to me.

I don't dislike the laibon. Ashirra and Camarilla are better seen as the result of geographic distances combining with The Old vampires siring people that end up banding over shared culture. The geographic distances and barriers make it so there being a sub Saharan faction makes sense.

Especially when a lot of places Burn easily and attempts to prevent the vampire populace from being dragged out of their havens into the sun/burned inside was a major factor for the formation of the Camarilla.

The Guruhi (Nosferatu with a different weakness and presence instead of obfuscate. You could make a Nictuku descent argument or point to Lucien in fair is foul Gehenna scenario for ancestry) need their weakness reworked since I can't remember any mechanical demerit to their appearance changing with emotion. I'd likely go with a frenzy or self control fail dropping their appearance for a time similar to Gangrel animal features

That the Ventrue are regulated to Heart of Darkness references with foreign hunters shooting elephants is boring though.

The Giovanni influence with the Ghiberti is a bit odd as the images used tends to be Africans while being referenced as an Italian family. I chalk that up to Adoption/intermarriage over generations.

Osebo are a Brujah bloodline with auspex instead of presence which can get weirder as Laibon Auspex is more focused on spirits and can take one into the spirit realm physically/teleport which has interesting applications in addition to their general concept of finding others to work for so they can have structure that helps deal with their Frenzy issues

I vaguely remember v5 referencing the Impudulu (necromancer bodyguards) so they seem to have walked back that bloodline being destroyed. Which is one of the few times I can say v5 made a good decision