General World of Darkness Discussion Thread QQ Edition

[Gereh]

I guess the most interesting thing to explore would be vampires since they're more-or-less theologically tied to the Abrihamic faiths.

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There are also Demons, as in actually fallen angels.

I don't know enough about trench crusade to say how they would best fit in.

 

[Nervaqus987]

And the blood of Vatsyayan preserved with tremere blood magic. That is the guy who wrote the Kama Sutra....in the 100s. When tremere was born in at least 500 CE. The writers here spent the time on google to look up the authors name but not even glance at the timeline.

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Vampire Date Idea: After informing your lover that there's no way the blood of Vatsyayan they got you as a gift is actually real, the two of you track down the person who scammed them and pull them apart like a wish bone.

 

[Lorsïthrorung]

There are also Demons, as in actually fallen angels.

I don't know enough about trench crusade to say how they would best fit in.

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I have the opposite issue because I know nothing of Demon: The Fallen.

I'm mostly going off of Werewolf and Vampire, and I think the point of divergence is far back enough that most Mage/Hunter organizations are unrecognizable if they develop at all.

 

[vighzs]

I have the opposite issue because I know nothing of Demon: The Fallen.

I'm mostly going off of Werewolf and Vampire, and I think the point of divergence is far back enough that most Mage/Hunter organizations are unrecognizable if they develop at all.

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I must admit I am not the most knowledgable individual when it comes to WoD timeline, chances are some of the things I mentioned might not even apply (Anarachs were a result of the 20th century I think, but chances are splinter groups similiart to them existed prior).

If someone is more well versed in timeline comparisons feel free to correct things, and should they require the TC currently public WIP timeline:

1099 – First Crusade captures Jerusalem. The Knights
Templar commit the Act of Ultimate Heresy. The Gate
of Hell is opened on Earth and Jerusalem is destroyed in
the cataclysm.

1101 – The Year of Three Battles. Heretics, reinforced
by the armies of the Third Circle of Hell, conquer most
of the Levant.

1102 – The ancient city of Antioch is fortified and
becomes the focal point of resistance against the forces
of Hell.

1106 – Cobar becomes the First Tyrant of the Sixty-six.

1109 – The Great Sultanate of the Invincible Iron Wall
of the Two Horns That Pierce the Sky is formed. In the
coming decades it unifies the Islamic factions. The Great
Iron Wall of Iskandar re-emerges and is fortified against
the Heretics.

1117 – The legendary Seventeen Martyrs travel to
the Earthly Domains of Hell to convert the Heretics.
Captured, tortured and kept in a perpetual state of
agony, they remain trapped within white-hot Brazen
Bulls to this day.

1165 – The Old Man in the Mountain and his
Hashashins defend the mountain fortress of Alamut.
The castle stands to this very day, despite being besieged
for hundreds of years.

1215-1306 – The Wars of Triclavianism. The Church
is split and fights a fierce internal conflict. Heretic
domains extend as the faithful fight against each other.
Millions perish by sword and fire.

1346-1353 – Beelzebub unleashes the Black Grail.
Tens of millions are infected, becoming metastatic
vessels in the worst plague in the history of mankind.
The Corpse Wars begin.

1429 – Living Saint Jeanne d'Arc drives the Black
Grail from mainland Europe.

1477 – The City of Argos is taken by God and it is no
more.

1503 – War Prophet Angelos, guided by St. Elegius,
discovers the formula of Orichalcum Steel. Though
extremely costly to produce, the metal proves to be
effective against all missile weapons and is still used to
this day.

1545 – Antioch destroyed utterly by a mysterious
infernal weapon
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1573 – Sacred Order of the Dragon halts the heretic
advance after the destruction of Byzantium. A million
heretics impaled in the hills of Wallachia.

1595 – Walls of New Antioch completed.

1666 – The Year of Six Woes. In a surprise raid, the
newly created Heretic fleet captures Gibraltar. The sea
fortress becomes the Heretic base of operations against
Europe. Forces of Hell gain access to the Atlantic.

1670 – Due to the constant coastal raids by the Heretic
Fleet the Crown of England begins the construction of
the Fortress of the White Cliffs.

1703 – Against all odds, a small force of Hebrew
Knights striking from their secret fortress destroy the
Templar stronghold at Acre.

1805 – Heretic fleet under the command of High
Captain Ranga defeats the fleet of England in the
Battle of the Bloodied Cliffs. Admiral Nelson is slain in
combat.

1866 – In the utmost secrecy Heretic scientists, aided
by the Demon Marbas, construct the first modern
submarines.

1870 – Launched from Gibraltar, the Heretic
submarine fleets extract a heavy toll on the merchant
navies. Widespread famine ensued.

1872 – Heretic forces storm the city of Rijeka. It is
fortified and Heretic conquest is launched against the
European mainland.

1894 – The Year of Broken Trinity. The Death
Commandos simultaneously assassinate the Supreme
Pontiff, the High Prophetess Aelia and the Holy Roman
Emperor. The faithful are thrown into turmoil. The
Heretic Legions, commanded by Hell's nobles of the
Seventh Circle and a huge vanguard of tanks launch
a simultaneous lightning offensive in the Levant and
Europe.

1899 – Church Space Program commences.

1907 – The construction of the moving fortress of
Britannia is completed.

1910 – Battle of Cordoba. A Bloody stalemate. Heretic
artillery devastates the ancient city, but the Heretic
forces fail to gain access to the heartlands of Hispania.

1914 – The present day. Both sides are preparing for
major offensive operations. In the huge swathes of No
Man's Land furious skirmishes and raids increase in
intensity as the faithful and heretics vie for information,
powerful relics and securing strategically important
positions.

 

[shadowdice]

Vampire Date Idea: After informing your lover that there's no way the blood of Vatsyayan they got you as a gift is actually real, the two of you track down the person who scammed them and pull them apart like a wish bone.

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That would honestly be funny

If they had just said Danava or even Assamite it would have made sense but the author is probably just shit at both google and vampire lore

 

[Gereh]

I have the opposite issue because I know nothing of Demon: The Fallen.

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Basic rundown (from the top of my head):
- When Lucifer rebelled he and his fellows did go to earth and ruled there for a bit.
- Caine discovered, nobody liked that
- Fucked up things happen behind lucifers back
- Angels still loyal to god come down and kick lucifers and his guys ass
- Lucifer and go get banned from reality into the Abyss(?)

Oh wait Lucifer isn't there? Turns out Lucifer is still on earth but all his friends got banned out of reality

Time passes...

- Lucifer convinces humans to build effigys and summon his generals back to earth, but oh no they are corrupted by the abyss and are no evil (and kinda OP)
- The earthbound (which is what those summoned demons are called) start doing shit, one of them get control of ancient rome
- Lucifer helps with the creation of christianity to kick the earthbound in control of Rome out

Jump cut to modern times

the remaining fallen angel still in the abyss get slowly out (no one is really sure why) and get back onto earth, but since they don't have bodies they need to posses humans. Oh and they are also super confused, because "where the fuck are the angels?" and "heaven?", nobody really knows. So now they have to find their way in a world that doesn't make sense to them anymore.

 

[Nervaqus987]

no one is really sure why

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???

The Sixth Great Maelstrom cracked the Abyss, which is letting demons wiggle their way through the cracks.

Pretty sure that's laid out in the Demon core book.

 

[Lorsïthrorung]

My mindset is on pondering which werewolf tribes and/or subfactions would stay in Europe, flee to the Americas, or stuck in central Asia after the Act of Ultimate Heresy.

Assuming that the only Kinfolk are Norsemen and celtic slaves they dragged onto the New World in smaller but still gradual numbers over a long period as they settle along the East coast. Followed by other tribes who fled just to get away from the Eternal Crusade, Kinfolk or not.

Meanwhile in the old world, I'd assume a Levant equivalent of the Black Spiral Dancers on demon steroids are the result of werewolves caught in ground zero. Although I don't know the actual size of Hell claimed territory other than it being the Middle East and North Africa. Hence why the bulk of Muslims fighting them are turks, with the support of surviving Arab Guerrillas followed by every other periphery peoples in the Sultanate's sphere of influence, except maybe Iberia which I think never had a Reconquesta.

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My assumptions are:
The Shadow Lords are stuck in the frontlines and don't participate in the colonization of the New World since that happens centuries earlier and they likely don't get traumatized by Vlad who's too busy impaling literal demons.
Glass Walkers are in a similar situation but have likely severed themselves from Gaia in favor of the Weaver, whether it be in the form of Deus or Allah-Tanrı.
Get of Fenris feel fear for once and colonize the New World early. Their kinfolk have surprisingly warm relations with the inuit in contrast to literally everyone, much to Wendigo's confusion.
Black Furies have a split with the majority traveling to the New World, seeing humanity a lost cause. Incidentally being responsible for a foundational Allthing decision resulting in female slaves being the responsibility of wives, which nobody will ever let them live down.
Fianna are sort of dragged to the New World with half staying in the British Isles. Norse–Gaels get rich off intercontinental trade.
Silver Fangs had a more even split with many staying in Russia while those in the lost-cause camp fled to the New World to claim the young coastal cities and fill the niche that the Shadow Lords and Glass Walkers cannot due to being stuck on the Old World.
Bone Gnawers are scattered and irrelevant unless you guys have any interesting ideas.
Children of Gaia got completely demoralized and fled to the New World.
Silent Striders are split between those serving the Iron Caliphate and those who fled further east.
Red Talons flee to the New World in a humiliated state, others flee east to the steppe.

Overall the American East coast and Caribbean are full of werewolves hoping to keep out Demonic influence while living in an iron age society where everyone suffers from mild alcoholism and their kinfolk are experiencing a golden age monopolizing shipping all over the Western Hemisphere, with only the occasional demonic incursion.

I honestly don't know if the sharing of Kinfolk is a thing. All I assume is they compromise with the adoption of norse-descended groups across the East Coast since there's a lot of them with their own distinct regional sub-cultures from native admixture.

 

[Gereh]

???

The Sixth Great Maelstrom cracked the Abyss, which is letting demons wiggle their way through the cracks.

Pretty sure that's laid out in the Demon core book.

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that sounds about right, kinda had forgot about that. To my defense I was half-asleep already

 

[NightmareWarden]

Vampirism poisons a mage's avatar, as I understand it. But damage isn't necessarily as final as gilgul, the avatar-destroying spell/ritual. The vampire Tremere was once a mage, but became undead. Avatar connection severed. Is his avatar still out there, perhaps it finally picked a human who awakened as a mage after some decades of cycling? Could the avatars which were once connected to still-active Vampires come into play in modern WoD?

I realize the specific details of individual avatars are not necessarily gonna come up in tabletop play. But what seems to be possible here?

 

[shadowdice]

Vampirism poisons a mage's avatar, as I understand it. But damage isn't necessarily as final as gilgul, the avatar-destroying spell/ritual. The vampire Tremere was once a mage, but became undead. Avatar connection severed. Is his avatar still out there, perhaps it finally picked a human who awakened as a mage after some decades of cycling? Could the avatars which were once connected to still-active Vampires come into play in modern WoD?

I realize the specific details of individual avatars are not necessarily gonna come up in tabletop play. But what seems to be possible here?

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It depends on if it is one avatar per person and it is part of their soul or not

I've had it be that the avatars of awakened mages that go vampire become separate entities that really hate their original self and try to get it killed

 

[NightmareWarden]

It depends on if it is one avatar per person and it is part of their soul or not

I've had it be that the avatars of awakened mages that go vampire become separate entities that really hate their original self and try to get it killed

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What kind of entity? A statted creature, or…?

 

[shadowdice]

What kind of entity? A statted creature, or…?

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This is not a canon thing

I had an avatar possess a clone (magic is weird) to actively antagonize the original that became a vampire

Tremere Vampire: Your Avatar Spirit is actively trying to murder you because your wife is still in love with you after you became a vampire. And it feels cuckholded

Ancient PreHistory Blood Mage: Lilith is attempting to kill Caine and cause an apocalypse because God kicked her out of his ass and cursed her to never be able to find love so she is going after the Ex that she can actually kill.

Tremere Vampire: Fair point

 

[Repentant_Dragos]

I will be making a Chronicles of Darkness/FGO fanfic soon, but I am not sure if I should post it to QQ; I'll show you why here:

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Summary: Kirschtachia Wodime is reborn in a world where Magic Circuits and Magecraft do not exist, but the Supernatural does anyway. Everything he knew did not apply, yet he still sought to help the world. Then, he woke up to two things: The truth behind this Reality… And how people think the one he came from is a work of fiction. Now he is part of a group of Mages who seek to help Humanity reach 'Mass Awakening', but whose methods go even below his lowered standards, and he is not entirely happy with this.

This raises one important question - Whose destiny had been swapped with his? And is that person now wreaking havoc in his native universe?

A Chronicles of Darkness (Mage the Awakening) + Fate/Grand Order crossover; yes, in that order. This will be a one-shot or a short story, unless I have the time and inspiration to extend it.

Note: Just so you guys know, if there is any romance here, Caenis will be Caenus, his male form. If you guys complain about it, just don't post here.

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Will I be harrassed if I do post the fic on QQ SFW (and maybe NSFW if I write sex scenes)?

 

[Sydonai]

the remaining fallen angel still in the abyss get slowly out (no one is really sure why) and get back onto earth, but since they don't have bodies they need to posses humans. Oh and they are also super confused, because "where the fuck are the angels?" and "heaven?", nobody really knows. So now they have to find their way in a world that doesn't make sense to them anymore.

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Also IIRC the reason why God isn't around anymore is because he threw the world's largest bitch-fit and left, but not before kicking Time as hard as he could apparently purely to spite the ones he originally put in charge of it, which is why the answer to any multiple-choice question about the World Of Darkness' past is "D; All Of The Above".