I will become God-Harem King of the World! [Highschool DxD/Exalted] (CLOSED)

[BFldyq]

Lots of things are easier than making an Exaltation. Picking a fight with Ligier and living to tell about it for example. :notfunny:

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Significantly easier then that as well.

 

[Dimensionist]

Because the system Alexander is using is the Exalted system. He can houserule the craft mechanics, but if he doesn't we're going to need to buy most of the Craft charms just to make the system workable, never mind being good at it.

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You're misunderstanding me - I'm asking why we need to approach this job from the Exalted side.

You're really not getting how hard this is going to be. The Evil Pieces are very similar to Exaltations in the sense that they are objects which grant mortals permanent passive abilities and typically change the very nature of what that mortal is (Exaltation vs Reincarnation). That's not something you can invent just by purchasing a few charms and investing dots in Craft (fire) or whatever, nor should it be. Alexander says it's within the realm of possibility for us to reverse-engineer the evil pieces so I'll go with him on that, but if he hadn't said so I would say it isn't possible any more than it is possible for Exalts to make more exaltations (not counting terrestrials doing it the old-fashioned way).

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Oh, here's a perfectly good demonstration:

Any artifact that permanently grants abilities like an Exaltation would most likely be Artifact N/A, but let's lowball it extremely and say they're only Artifact 5. For reference, similar artifacts rated at 5 include suits of power armor with built-in weapon systems and numerous support abilities (think Iron Man) as well as airships and other such things.

According to the vanilla Craft rules in the Core Rulebook, crafting magical artifacts requires Craft/Lore/Occult to all be rated at 3 or higher to make an object rated Artifact 1-3. In that range you can make things like enchanted masks and magical swords with no abilities beyond supernatural sharpness. To make an object rated Artifact 4 or higher however you need Craft/Lore/Occult rated at (the object's artifact rating + 2). So a 4 or 5 dot artifact cannot be made at all unless we have Craft/Lore/Occult all rated at 6 or 7 -- and those values are impossible for non-elder Solars to have. We would have to wait until we hit essence 7, which means we can't even get started on it until we are at least 250 years old due to elder essence age minimums.

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You're continuously making assumptions using Exalted mechanics, which was my whole point here. Everything you're arguing is on the basis of 'this is how hard it is in Exalted, meaning this is how hard it will be here'. Thing is, we're not in Creation, and there are different settings (settings, multiple, given there are factions from Kekkaishi, Nurarihyon no Mago, etc. here as well), who have different rules and difficulties, and Alex's already told us that we can do this (you yourself admit that you were assuming it wouldn't be possible before Alex said it was). Moreover, you're expecting a level of difficulty in doing this commensurate with how difficult it is in Exalted. We can approach this task from a different perspective, combining Bright's knowledge with that of others in the setting, and the natural inclination Issei has to magic and artifact creation which translates to other settings.

tl;dr - there are other settings involved here, and you're ignoring them. Stop looking at this through the lens of just Exalted mechanics, and start thinking about how things can be done by using the magic and mechanics of other settings as well.

 

[megrisvernin]

You're misunderstanding me - I'm asking why we need to approach this job from the Exalted side.

You're continuously making assumptions using Exalted mechanics, which was my whole point here. Everything you're arguing is on the basis of 'this is how hard it is in Exalted, meaning this is how hard it will be here'. Thing is, we're not in Creation, and there are different settings (settings, multiple, given there are factions from Kekkaishi, Nurarihyon no Mago, etc. here as well), who have different rules and difficulties, and Alex's already told us that we can do this (you yourself admit that you were assuming it wouldn't be possible before Alex said it was). Moreover, you're expecting a level of difficulty in doing this commensurate with how difficult it is in Exalted. We can approach this task from a different perspective, combining Bright's knowledge with that of others in the setting, and the natural inclination Issei has to magic and artifact creation which translates to other settings.


tl;dr - there are other settings involved here, and you're ignoring them. Stop looking at this through the lens of just Exalted mechanics, and start thinking about how things can be done by using the magic and mechanics of other settings as well.

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Yes but what setting mechanics can our character access? He doesn't know any sorcerer spells that we might learn from the Devils nor an idea of their mechanics, so he can't even be sure he could make an artifact with them that would suit this guy's needs. We do have full access to Exalted mechanics, but as the person more versed in me said the requirements are simply to high to make it within this guy's lifetime, let alone soon.

Better to social-fu something & not promise something we can't deliver(for quite a while).

[X] "But Mil-tan, a magical girl's power has to come from her love and compassion, remember? If I gave you magic it would just be normal magic, not magical girl magic. And I don't know any fairies or talking cats (NEVER EVER MENTION KONEKO) who might be able to help. But you already have the heart of a magical girl just by wanting to fight for love and justice, so you already have all the important stuff!"

 

[fitzgerald]

Even from Exalted Mechanics the easy answer to build a Magical Girl via Spirit Charms

 

[Dimensionist]

Yes but what setting mechanics can our character access? He doesn't know any sorcerer spells that we might learn from the Devils nor an idea of their mechanics, so he can't even be sure he could make an artifact with them that would suit this guy's needs. We do have full access to Exalted mechanics, but as the person more versed in me said the requirements are simply to high to make it within this guy's lifetime, let alone soon.

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Actually, we already have access to Devil Magic, and the Evil Piece system is an existing example of their magic being capable of things like this. We can very much accomplish it in months to a year, given access to info from the higher ups.

We also have access to the Abe house, and through that the other youkai and onmyoji clans - the onmyoji who specialize in the summoning and binding of demons/youkai. Bind a kitsune spirit/essence to Mil-tan, and you've got a possible shapeshifter ability infusion. Which isn't an actual thing, just giving an example that could work.

We very much have an opportunity of helping Mil-tan out, and Issei's compassion is such that he should feel the desire to help anyway. Besides, we'd be telling[/i[ the guy it'll take time, and saying it might not work anyway. Much nicer than bullshitting him and hoping to coast by on social charms/abilities.

 

[Smuthunter]

You're misunderstanding me - I'm asking why we need to approach this job from the Exalted side.

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Because all of our powers either stem from Exalted mechanics or else are converted into them when we acquire them. Boosted Gear enhances our mote pool instead of giving its canon abilities, our devil magic gets ported into charms, etc. This is rather like saying "devil magic isn't Exalted magic so it shouldn't use resources from our mote pool." Sorry but it does, that's the way the quest works.

there are factions from Kekkaishi, Nurarihyon no Mago, etc. here as well

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Never heard of any of those shows and I think you're making assumptions in any event, like the guy who assumed the historical society was a Campione crossover.

Alex's already told us that we can do this (you yourself admit that you were assuming it wouldn't be possible before Alex said it was)

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"Possible" does not mean "easy" or "trivial" or "can be accomplished with a year of work at the most." Even with access to the original notes there will be things we need to invent ourselves, for example removing the reincarnation aspect so we give people magic without turning them into devils.

 

[kinglugia]

Haven't watched Kekkaishi in years, though the only thing that I can remember about it is Barrier Hax.

 

[Alexander]

Also can boosted gear do leathal? I mean it looks really claw like and sharp.

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They are not sharp enough. It's more efficient to just bash the opponent.

Thirdly, I'd really wish people would actually think through what they're talking about when planning to create something that allows them to make people into magical super soldiers.
You plan to enlighten their Essence, elevate their bodies beyond mortal limitations and grant them a native Charmset, so they don't have to study some form of magic to start doing shit, without the end result being seriously disappointing considering the amount of work involved.
That sounds remarkebly as if you were planning to make an entirely new type of Exalted as a non-Elder Solar.
That's seriously bullshit.
The only way this is going to be even remotely possible is by brutally taking advantage of crossover shenanigans and the Evil Pieces but even then this is an outright legendary endeavor and it would seriously break my SoD if we are even capable of starting with this before achieving Essence 5.

Lastly, mass producing Artifacts?
Seriously?
No.
Just no.

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You're right, if you try to create a new type of Exaltation then you're bound to failure.

However, Evil Pieces are not Exaltations. They are powerful shaping artifact that change a person's race into another and make it a hybrid. If you want Issei to make its own version that give people powers of Exalted origin, then yes it's a massive, Legendary endeavor: because you will need to give them the ability to warp reality just like Issei's Exaltation does. On the other hand, making them work on DxD physics is much more easier.

Mass producing Artifacts? Yes, I shudder imagining what kind of facilities and resources are needed to do that.

In short:
-Making an Artifact version of the Evil Pieces? Give up at the possibility of seeing it in a reasonable timeframe (I am talking about centuries here).
-Using Solar! Bullshit to build an altered version to give people DxD-native superpowers. Doable.

I repeat: only Issei is working on Exalted physics. In regard to crafting: any crafting endeavor where abilities native to Exalted are given to objects (in short: making objects from Exalted or giving abilities from them) requires following Exalted rules.
Instead, if the abilities are native from DxD, it follows DxD physics.

Because all of our powers either stem from Exalted mechanics or else are converted into them when we acquire them. Boosted Gear enhances our mote pool instead of giving its canon abilities, our devil magic gets ported into charms, etc. This is rather like saying "devil magic isn't Exalted magic so it shouldn't use resources from our mote pool." Sorry but it does, that's the way the quest works.

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In truth the Devil Magic Issei learned (Fireball and Shield) didn't get ported into Charms: I put them under DxD Magic for a reason. Not everything Issei learns is going to get translated into a Charm.

"Possible" does not mean "easy" or "trivial" or "can be accomplished with a year of work at the most." Even with access to the original notes there will be things we need to invent ourselves, for example removing the reincarnation aspect so we give people magic without turning them into devils.

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True, I didn't say easy. Especially if Issei tries to do it alone.

 

[Selias]

They are not sharp enough. It's more efficient to just bash the opponent.
You're right, if you try to create a new type of Exaltation then you're bound to failure.

However, Evil Pieces are not Exaltations. They are powerful shaping artifact that change a person's race into another and make it a hybrid. If you want Issei to make its own version that give people powers of Exalted origin, then yes it's a massive, Legendary endeavor: because you will need to give them the ability to warp reality just like Issei's Exaltation does. On the other hand, making them work on DxD physics is much more easier.

Mass producing Artifacts? Yes, I shudder imagining what kind of facilities and resources are needed to do that.

In short:
-Making an Artifact version of the Evil Pieces? Give up at the possibility of seeing it in a reasonable timeframe (I am talking about centuries here).
-Using Solar! Bullshit to build an altered version to give people DxD-native superpowers. Doable.

I repeat: only Issei is working on Exalted physics. In regard to crafting: any crafting endeavor where abilities native to Exalted are given to objects (in short: making objects from Exalted or giving abilities from them) requires following Exalted rules.
Instead, if the abilities are native from DxD, it follows DxD physics.In truth the Devil Magic Issei learned (Fireball and Shield) didn't get ported into Charms: I put them under DxD Magic for a reason. Not everything Issei learns is going to get translated into a Charm.
True, I didn't say easy. Especially if Issei tries to do it alone.

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Thank you! Now we can finally stop arguing about it.

 

[kinglugia]

Hey Alex!
Can you humor me for a moment?
If we somehow ended up having to fight a traditional Kekkaishi, how strong is their 3-step Barrier attack? As in can we survive it or get killed by it?
I meant as in the (Lock-on, Barrier-up, Exterminate) kind of barrier.
...I need to re watch the anime :'(

 

[Heaven Canceler]

Never heard of any of those shows and I think you're making assumptions in any event, like the guy who assumed the historical society was a Campione crossover.

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I didn't think it was a Champione crossover. I wondered whether Godou and the other God-Slayers would somehow be translated into the DxD Setting, for example by changing their authorities into Sacred Gears, or making them Magic users of some Kind. In fact, I am pretty sure it is a Champione cross, just with all the parts taken out that wouldn't work with DxD. (Like killing gods and gaining their powers.) Characters from the other settings (Like Lilianna from Champione, or Yura Keikain from Nurarihyon no Mago.) may very well exist unless the GM says otherwise, but with their abilities adapted to the DxD setting if they aren't compatible.

 

[Dimensionist]

Because all of our powers either stem from Exalted mechanics or else are converted into them when we acquire them.

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Er, no they don't.

Boosted Gear enhances our mote pool instead of giving its canon abilities

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Okay.

, our devil magic gets ported into charms, etc.

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Not really, no. Unless Fireball has suddenly become an Exalted charm, Devil magic is Devil magic, with the mechanics of Devil magic - we're just better at developing it because, well, Twilight Caste.

This is rather like saying "devil magic isn't Exalted magic so it shouldn't use resources from our mote pool." Sorry but it does, that's the way the quest works.

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No it doesn't. I got ninja'd by Alexander, but you see my point about making assumptions?

Basically, you persisted in making assumptions about how we'd have to approach these quests from the Exalted side. Thankfully, the GM's told us straight out how things are, so ...

 

[Smuthunter]

No it doesn't. I got ninja'd by Alexander, but you see my point about making assumptions?

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Speak for yourself. He also confirmed that this isn't going to be a trivial thing you can just crank out in a few months of work. Again, doable does not mean easy.

 

[Dimensionist]

Speak for yourself. He also confirmed that this isn't going to be a trivial thing you can just crank out in a few months of work. Again, doable does not mean easy.

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I seem to have missed the part where I said 'yes, it will be easy'. Also:

True, I didn't say easy. Especially if Issei tries to do it alone.

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Remember my talk of getting access to the people responsible for the Evil Piece system, the way Issei did in canon? Or getting access to the other crossed over settings and differing spell systems of the onmyoji, kekkaishi and youkai? Issei isn't going to be doing this alone.

You'll also realize I didn't say 'Okay, Mil-tan, I'll fulfill your wish in a jiffy'. I said, and I quote:

Besides, we'd be telling the guy it'll take time, and saying it might not work anyway. Much nicer than bullshitting him and hoping to coast by on social charms/abilities.

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We're not going to lead him on, we're not going to bullshit him. The option I support involves offering to help him out, and work on something revolutionary in the process as well. Staying true to Issei's compassionate nature, coupled with a Twilight Caste's researching ability.

 

[Smuthunter]

I seem to have missed the part where I said 'yes, it will be easy'.

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Right here.

@Pipeman: Why do we need to use Exalted mechanics to create magical 'super-soldiers'? We have an existing mechanic for that in High School D&D. Just ... learn that, use our magical knowledge and aptitude to work it to our desire. It'll still be really hard, but nowhere near as hard as you're talking about, especially as we'll soon have access to people who can tell us about it a bit.

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Note that Pipeman is underselling the difficulty of doing this by saying we might be able to start on it at Essence 5. Even with Alexander's modifications I would be amazed if we could start on this sooner than that and have any realistic expectation of success. Remember, it's not just any random scientist whose work we're trying to copy, it's Demon King Ajuka Freaking Beelzebub, the number one devil scientist of the last few thousand years, and even he is still learning new things about his own work what with the mutation pieces and all.

Remember my talk of getting access to the people responsible for the Evil Piece system, the way Issei did in canon?

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Remember what I said about that only being so much help because we still need to figure out how to alter the process for our own needs?

Or getting access to the other crossed over settings and differing spell systems of the onmyoji, kekkaishi and youkai? Issei isn't going to be doing this alone.

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Again, what crossed over settings? What spell systems? We have no contact with these people and no indication that they would even be inclined to help us. For that matter you're making a rather large assumption that they wouldn't oppose the creation of something like this given that magic needs to stay a secret and this is a huge potential security risk.

 

[Alexander]

Day 3​

You are not easily annoyed. But right now you can feel your temper slowly rising.

"What is the meaning of this!" You yell from the chair where you are tied to.

"Silence foul duplicate!" The guy with a bag over his head, with two holes for the eyes, yells back. "We will not be deceive from your lies!"

How did it come to this?

Thinking back you were having lunch under the nice shadow of a tree when a guy from another class asked your help to lift a heavy box and bring it into the football club's storage room. Being the nice guy that you are you of course helped him, only for someone to shove you into a sack the moment you let go of the box.

After being manhandled (quite roughly you want to point out) they tied you to a chair while in the sack and only then free your head.

The first fact you recognize is that you're inside a empty classroom. The second is that there are at least five guys in front of you wearing makeshift masks.

You are so tempted to ask since when your life become stuff from the Twilight Zone, but the thought it's so many kinds of wrong that you quickly banish it.

"Is this bullying? You guys got it all wrong." You tell them. "And if it is revenge for being more good-looking than you:-" One of them flinches. "-suck it up." You finish with a smirk.

"Silence!" What appear to be the leader repeats. "You will not confuse us with your alien psychic powers. Confess: what did you do to Hyodo Issei?"

"I AM Hyodo Issei." You deadpan.

"Lie! The real Hyodo is ugly,-" You bristle. "-unpopular, lustful and idiotic. I don't know what you aliens hope to accomplish by producing clones so obvious, but know that we discovered your evil plans. We will not let you replace humanity and conquer Earth!"

You stare at them as if they are crazy. Because there is no other possible explanation. "You guys think...aliens kidnapped and replaced me with a replica."

"How else you would explain such a transformation? Now tell us-"

"Enough."

"Eh?" They look confused.

"Enough of this bullshit."

Issei channels his Valor
-1w

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With a might push you break the rope and the sack.

"Normally I would just try to reason." You free your legs. Three of them take a step back. The other two take out other rope and a bat.

"But it so happens that my time recently is precious, because every minute I spent doing something else is a minute I could spend training to face those that want me dead."

You smile. "So let's keep this short, shall we?"

They change at you.

You raise a first.

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"Issei-kun. Welco...me..." Akeno-sempai greets you, but trails off as she sees the five tied boys you are dragging behind you. "Uhm..."

"They thought aliens replaced me with a clone, and that it was the start of an alien invasion." You explain. "So they kidnapped me to make me confess. I kick their ass." You drop them. "I know this sound rude Himejima-sempai, but can you remove from their memories the whole matter? I want to begin our lesson quickly."

"Ara ara. Fufufu." She laughs quietly. "So it's true strange things happen around you Issei-kun." So true. "But it makes me happy that you look forward to my lessons. It makes me want to spoil you."

"Yes! Please do so!" You enthusiastically reply without thinking. Then you recognize what you're doing. You awkwardly cough. "After I resolved my problems with the Fallen Angels. I'm still too weak to be easily distracted."

"Ara ara." She pouts. My God, this woman is so damn sexy no matter what expression she shows. "I was looking forward to it. Then, I will take you on that offer Issei-kun."

"Yes!"

A Flag! A Flag! This is definitely a Flag!

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"Toujo-san?"

"Yes, Hyodo-sempai?" The white-haired girl looks up from the book she is reading.

You scratch the back of your head. "Gremory-sempai said that you have training in martial arts." Strange considering she is so small, but as a Rook she has great strength and resistance. "This may sound strange but...can you please teach me a little?"

Why are you asking a girl your senior help in martial arts training?

Because Bright is a sadist, that's why!

She stares expressionlessly for a few seconds before nodding. "Alright." She puts down the book, stands up and falls into a stance. "Show me what you have."

You comply. For ten minutes you exchange punches and kicks with Koneko, who limits herself to merely defending.

"...I don't recognize the style." She says after you two stop. "Who taught you that?"

"A very irritating woman." You reply without an ounce of shame. "The type that leave you with two choices: either you hate her or fear her. However I cannot deny she knows what she is doing. I'm still learning though."

"...It looks effective. Very direct."

"She said it's a style developed for gladiators or something like that."

She nods. "Keep it up. Now then, we'll have another round. This time I will strike back."

That day you learn that Koneko-chan's hits are weaker than Bright, but she is not less vicious.

 

[Fellgar]

... are we supposed to wait for another update? Just asking since I can't tell if this is finished or not yet.

 

[kinglugia]

It be an interlude, hon.

 

[BobTheNinja]

Hey guys, just to be sure, is Issei's exaltation affected by the Great Curse?

I ask because I just read an Exalted/Worm quest on SB where Solar!Taylor experienced a limit break and became a merciless, sociopathic killing machine, and expressed very little remorse or horror at what she had done afterwards.

I literally cried for ten minutes after reading that scene. Seeing her become so warped was deeply upsetting and disturbing, especially since things were going relatively well for her beforehand. And some other SBers have explained that the limit breaks only get worse as Solars advance and become older.

Is Issei bound to end up the same way? Because if so, I don't think I'll be able to continue participating in this quest.

 

[Uruloki]

Hey guys, just to be sure, is Issei's exaltation affected by the Great Curse?

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Yep
He's got this romantic glorious limit break - Imprudent Infatuation
It's written right there in the Character Sheet:

The character has the unfortunate tendency to become romantically obsessed at the drop of a hat. When the character's limit breaks, he will fall head-over-heels in love with someone whom he considers attractive, and has met under stressful circumstances.

Uncontrolled: the results can range from the merely embarassing, such as spending weeks attempting to court a comely shepherdess rescued from a landslide, to the downright suicidal, such as storming a Deathlord's castle in a desperate attempt to confess undying love to a beautiful deathknight. No matter how unsuitable the object, the character's infatuation knows no bounds. He will be incapable of thinking of anything aside from his beloved, probably spending much of his time composing overwrought poetry and the rest stalking the unfortunate person like a love-struck teenager. He may even go so far as to threaten suicide if anyone tries to deny him his love. The character will come to his senses after a number of days equal to his Compassion score, but until then, not even overt scorn or violence from his beloved will dissuade him.
Trigger: the character witnesses someone attractive in peril or duress (even if the character himself is the cause of that duress).
Partial Control: The character will not be forced to place himself in danger to gain his love's attention

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[BobTheNinja]

He's got this glorious one - Imprudent Infatuation
It's written right there in the Character Sheet

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*blinks*

Wow...that seems a hell of a lot less disturbing than Solar!Taylor's ruthless murderbot spree.

*sigh*

Okay, I think I can work with that...probably.

 

[P_D]

*blinks*

Wow...that seems a hell of a lot less disturbing than Solar!Taylor's ruthless murderbot spree.

*sigh*

Okay, I think I can work with that...probably.

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Yeah, Issei's Limit Break is pretty harmless, it'll just render us useless for a week and possibly damage our relationships but we're unlikely to kill somebody because of it.

Boosted gear does have the Juggernaut Drive (unless our exaltation took it away) so it's not like we don't have a berserk mode.

 

[Smuthunter]

Yeah, Issei's Limit Break is pretty harmless, it'll just render us useless for a week and possibly damage our relationships but we're unlikely to kill somebody because of it.

Boosted gear does have the Juggernaut Drive (unless our exaltation took it away) so it's not like we don't have a berserk mode.

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And then it gets that much more harmless since we can choose to exert control and retain our sense of self-preservation, so it's really just damaging to our relationships. And since we have a focus on social charms, any damage we can cause we can also repair fairly easily.

 

[Robotninja]

No limit break is harmless. Someone willing to do suicidal actions (which are unacceptable orders in Exalted) to be with his beloved is willing to do anything else. Anything. Sure, it can be funny and amusing. It can also result in things like insane murder yandere. Things like morals, restraint, and sanity do not apply while in uncontrolled limit breaks. They are all equally horrible, just in different ways. Someone with Issei's limit break could easily wind up igniting a Creatioin spanning war in the First age, for example, while someone with Taylor's would be a very efficient and effective ruler.

 

[Smuthunter]

No limit break is harmless. Someone willing to do suicidal actions (which are unacceptable orders in Exalted) to be with his beloved is willing to do anything else. Anything. Sure, it can be funny and amusing. It can also result in things like insane murder yandere. Things like morals, restraint, and sanity do not apply while in uncontrolled limit breaks.

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This being the key word. A good chunk of the reason the Solars went insane is because limit breaks feel really good and get addictive, according to developer statements, which is what the replenishing of Willpower after an uncontrolled break represents. If we never allow Issei to have an uncontrolled break then he'll never reach that state.

What's more, with Bright and Ddraig both riding around in our head it's possible that one or both of them might notice that something is off with either us, our soul, or our Exaltation when a break occurs. While fixing the Great Curse is too much to expect without access to Lytek, if we know that we go crazy under certain conditions then we can take precautions to mitigate the damage, such as warning Rias and company to be extremely careful around us during those periods.

 

[BobTheNinja]

No limit break is harmless. Someone willing to do suicidal actions (which are unacceptable orders in Exalted) to be with his beloved is willing to do anything else. Anything. Sure, it can be funny and amusing. It can also result in things like insane murder yandere. Things like morals, restraint, and sanity do not apply while in uncontrolled limit breaks. They are all equally horrible, just in different ways. Someone with Issei's limit break could easily wind up igniting a Creatioin spanning war in the First age, for example, while someone with Taylor's would be a very efficient and effective ruler.

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...*sigh* Well shit.

This being the key word. A good chunk of the reason the Solars went insane is because limit break feel really good and gets addictive, according to developer statements, which is what the replenishing of Willpower after an uncontrolled break represents. If we never allow Issei to have an uncontrolled break then he'll never reach that state.

What's more, with Bright and Ddraig both riding around in our head it's possible that one or both of them might notice that something is off with either us, our soul, or our Exaltation when a break occurs. While fixing the Great Curse is too much to expect without access to Lytek, if we know that we go crazy under certain conditions then we can take precautions to mitigate the damage, such warning Rias and company to be extremely careful around us during those periods.

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Let's see to it then. I seriously don't want a repeat of what happened to Solar!Taylor. That was horrifying and heartbreaking enough on its own.

 

[BFldyq]

Personally, I think Carnal Compassion fits Issei better:
Filled with unspeakable lusts, the character becomes incapable of divorcing Compassion from lust. He becomes sexually attracted to any being he would normally feel Compassion for, no matter how taboo such a thing would be. While he will not commit rape or sexual abuse to satisfy himself, he will stop at nothing to pursue and seduce those that arouse his lusts. He cannot take up any other endeavors until he has satisfied himself sexually, committing all he has to pursuing those he loves.

Partial Control: While the character is still overcome with lust, it does not force him into taboo sexual relationships–while he may still lust for them, he can choose not to pursue family members, children, dead lovers, and similar.

Duration: Until the character experiences an orgasm.

Limit Break Condition: The character goes a week without sexual intercourse.

 

[Dimensionist]

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How does 'nowhere near as hard as you're making it out to be' translate to easy, when other people are talking about it taking centuries?

Note that Pipeman is underselling the difficulty of doing this by saying we might be able to start on it at Essence 5. Even with Alexander's modifications I would be amazed if we could start on this sooner than that and have any realistic expectation of success. Remember, it's not just any random scientist whose work we're trying to copy, it's Demon King Ajuka Freaking Beelzebub, the number one devil scientist of the last few thousand years, and even he is still learning new things about his own work what with the mutation pieces and all.
Remember what I said about that only being so much help because we still need to figure out how to alter the process for our own needs?

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You mean the guy who we're likely to meet soon, if things go in this direction? Someone who'd likely be thrilled at a magician affiliated to Devils trying to develop his work further, once he realizes we actually have an advantage in these matters? Once again, you're acting like it'll take, oh, centuries to complete said work, when we'll probably complete it in less than a year if we get decent help, and in a few years without.

Again, what crossed over settings? What spell systems? We have no contact with these people and no indication that they would even be inclined to help us. For that matter you're making a rather large assumption that they wouldn't oppose the creation of something like this given that magic needs to stay a secret and this is a huge potential security risk.

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We have contact with Abe, and through her, the onmyouji clans and a tangential connection to various other youkai/kekkaishi clans as well. Also, they would be perfectly fine with it, so long as they could use it for themselves as well and could look for our alliance.

tl;dr - you're making it out to be a lot harder than it actually is. Unless you have some pertinent arguments beyond 'it will be hard, because I say so', when Alex has already said that while not easy, it's perfectly doable within the confines of the quest, I'm dropping this argument.

 

[Robotninja]

Even controlled limit breaks can screw things up really, really badly. Just not quite as badly as when controlled.

We can't see to it. We have no IC idea that there is anything wrong, and the Great Curse is, contrary to what everyone thinks, very subtle. It is not some external force that is imposed on you. It is your own traits, taken to extremes. When we are limit breaking, people are not going to go "holy shit, Issei is being controlled to act abnormal" they are going to go "wow, issei is being even more of a hormonal pervert than normal." It isn't some alien disconnected behavior that you would never do on your own. Just you. Taken up to 11. Even figuring out that there is something wrong is going to be hard as fuck. Because we have self examination charms that are pretty much perfect, and they can't detect the Curse. They can detect just about anything else that exists. Jumping into "ok, it's a curse I cannot detect that makes me do this" is metagaming of the most absurd degree possible.

 

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And then it gets that much more harmless since we can choose to exert control and retain our sense of self-preservation, so it's really just damaging to our relationships. And since we have a focus on social charms, any damage we can cause we can also repair fairly easily.

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...and we can probably use them to seduce whoever happens to trigger it. Though I am a bit worried if people find out that seeing girls in peril makes Issei fall in love, as they may try to seduce him by being suicidal.

Personally, I think Carnal Compassion fits Issei better:
Filled with unspeakable lusts, the character becomes incapable of divorcing Compassion from lust. He becomes sexually attracted to any being he would normally feel Compassion for, no matter how taboo such a thing would be. While he will not commit rape or sexual abuse to satisfy himself, he will stop at nothing to pursue and seduce those that arouse his lusts. He cannot take up any other endeavors until he has satisfied himself sexually, committing all he has to pursuing those he loves.

Partial Control: While the character is still overcome with lust, it does not force him into taboo sexual relationships–while he may still lust for them, he can choose not to pursue family members, children, dead lovers, and similar.

Duration: Until the character experiences an orgasm.

Limit Break Condition: The character goes a week without sexual intercourse.

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My first thought was: "How is that different from canon Issei?"