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22nd December 2012
17:08 GMT +3
Kal-El and I turn our heads to look each other in the eyes for a moment. Then he takes a breath, and gives Medina his full attention.
"Perhaps you could explain to me how it worked before the Amazons came to this island? That way I'd know what you were expecting."
"We weren't…" Medina looks around at her wives, but she's clearly being given the floor. "We didn't live in the Old City. We lived in a village east of there. The Old City was women-only, except for the princes and foreigners who had business there. In Merbakades, where we are from, men and women lived… Separately, but in the same settlement."
Kal-El frowns. "If so many women lived in the Old City, wouldn't that mean that the rest of the country was mostly men?"
"Yes." She nods. "I still find it a little strange, sometimes, that things are different here."
"After three thousand years?"
"It…" She glances at Karyne, who nods sympathetically. "It doesn't feel like three thousand years, sometimes."
Keep doing the same thing and time can fly by, I suppose.
"So if there were a lot more men than women… How did that work?"
She snorts. "We did not sport ourselves with all of them, if that is what you mean. Men who wished to sire children travelled to the City for the Festival, and we…"
Rina nods. "We hadn't been together all that long when… When the City was invaded. None of us had children."
Chloe smiles. "Which isn't to say that none of us attended the Festival as well!"
"But men and women… Didn't… I mean, outside of this… The festival…"
Medina shrugs. "It probably happened, but they kept it quiet. It wasn't normal in Themyscira. But there was no… We did not have slavery, as the Cities of Men did. Anyone who was unhappy could leave if they wanted. The men were happy enough with one another, so far as I remember."
Oh my goodness me Kal-El's actually blushing a little. Yes, Old Themyscira was homosexual central, and not just the women. Adult men, unlike the Athenians far to the south.
"So have any of you had children before?"
Four nods, but Medina shakes her head. "I did not, which is why my darlings allowed me to go first this time."
"But… Weren't men and women living together when the Island was settled? Didn't that..? Change how they related to one another?"
"Of course! But the men didn't… I mean, the villages…" She appears to be struggling to work out how to explain something that must be so obvious to an Amazon. "The city women just lived like we village women. The Festival was… Much the same, a time for getting with child."
"But weren't the children living closer to their fathers?"
"I…" Medina frowns as she tries to remember. "Perhaps? It was a long-"
Rina nods. "Yes."
"-time ago and how do you remember that?"
Rina frowns. "How do you not? The chaos of our first planting seasons is still as fresh in my mind as it was then. And no, it did not change our families overmuch. Boys still went to their uncles once they were weaned, and girls stayed with their mothers."
"Their uncles?"
"Their mother's brothers. Or one of them." She shifts in her seat. "Things were… If there was no uncle, things could be different. I had two daughters, so I did not have to deal with it myself."
"So what did you plan on doing if Medina had a boy?"
Medina shrugs. "The Princess has two sons. I'm sure that we could raise one in a civilised manner."
How modern.
"You said that, back in the Old City, if a man and a woman wanted to marry one another, they could leave the country. So you are aware that other countries handle relations between men and women differently."
Four nods, and Rina waits to see where we're going.
"Do you remember how that worked?"
"Their women were chattel of their fathers and husbands." Medina shakes her head. "I know that is not how things are now."
"Alright, but who raised the children?"
"I… Don't know..?"
Rina spots Medina becoming uncomfortable, and interjects.
"The fathers?"
"In most societies, children are raised jointly by their father and mother, with input from the extended family. The structure that Amazons use is… Unique, as far as I know. The closest I can think of is Sparta-."
They all glare.
"Exactly. Is that the comparison you want?"
Medina drops her eyes for a moment.
"So… Felix thought that… We were courting, as if we were to be married."
"Yes."
"And he was willing to have sex with me because he believed that we would raise the child together."
"Ah, actually, he thought you were using a medicine that would stop you conceiving, but-" She frowns. "-assumed that if you did conceive that you would raise the child together."
Karyne shakes her head. "Medina, did you not even mention that you were trying to conceive?"
"I-." She blinks, probably trying to recall the precise conversation. "I said that I wanted children. But I… Suppose that he might have thought that I meant 'at some time, after we are… Married', and not 'this is why I am having sex with you'. I… I think I owe him an apology."
Karyne nods. "Yes."
"But… What does that mean for..?"
"Ideally, the two of you discuss things and come to an agreement- and please bear in mind the cultural differences and don't assume things- and we present that to the forum as the correct way of handling the issue. If you can't, well… Then you state your positions to the forum and hope for the best, which isn't the best approach."
"No. Ah. If I… Cross through the portal again, will-?"
"I'll ask Princess Diana to invite him to the embassy in New York for the talks."
She nods, slightly relieved.
"Now, are you aware of any other women outside of your marriage group planning something similar? I'd like to get ahead of the problem."
17:08 GMT +3
Kal-El and I turn our heads to look each other in the eyes for a moment. Then he takes a breath, and gives Medina his full attention.
"Perhaps you could explain to me how it worked before the Amazons came to this island? That way I'd know what you were expecting."
"We weren't…" Medina looks around at her wives, but she's clearly being given the floor. "We didn't live in the Old City. We lived in a village east of there. The Old City was women-only, except for the princes and foreigners who had business there. In Merbakades, where we are from, men and women lived… Separately, but in the same settlement."
Kal-El frowns. "If so many women lived in the Old City, wouldn't that mean that the rest of the country was mostly men?"
"Yes." She nods. "I still find it a little strange, sometimes, that things are different here."
"After three thousand years?"
"It…" She glances at Karyne, who nods sympathetically. "It doesn't feel like three thousand years, sometimes."
Keep doing the same thing and time can fly by, I suppose.
"So if there were a lot more men than women… How did that work?"
She snorts. "We did not sport ourselves with all of them, if that is what you mean. Men who wished to sire children travelled to the City for the Festival, and we…"
Rina nods. "We hadn't been together all that long when… When the City was invaded. None of us had children."
Chloe smiles. "Which isn't to say that none of us attended the Festival as well!"
"But men and women… Didn't… I mean, outside of this… The festival…"
Medina shrugs. "It probably happened, but they kept it quiet. It wasn't normal in Themyscira. But there was no… We did not have slavery, as the Cities of Men did. Anyone who was unhappy could leave if they wanted. The men were happy enough with one another, so far as I remember."
Oh my goodness me Kal-El's actually blushing a little. Yes, Old Themyscira was homosexual central, and not just the women. Adult men, unlike the Athenians far to the south.
"So have any of you had children before?"
Four nods, but Medina shakes her head. "I did not, which is why my darlings allowed me to go first this time."
"But… Weren't men and women living together when the Island was settled? Didn't that..? Change how they related to one another?"
"Of course! But the men didn't… I mean, the villages…" She appears to be struggling to work out how to explain something that must be so obvious to an Amazon. "The city women just lived like we village women. The Festival was… Much the same, a time for getting with child."
"But weren't the children living closer to their fathers?"
"I…" Medina frowns as she tries to remember. "Perhaps? It was a long-"
Rina nods. "Yes."
"-time ago and how do you remember that?"
Rina frowns. "How do you not? The chaos of our first planting seasons is still as fresh in my mind as it was then. And no, it did not change our families overmuch. Boys still went to their uncles once they were weaned, and girls stayed with their mothers."
"Their uncles?"
"Their mother's brothers. Or one of them." She shifts in her seat. "Things were… If there was no uncle, things could be different. I had two daughters, so I did not have to deal with it myself."
"So what did you plan on doing if Medina had a boy?"
Medina shrugs. "The Princess has two sons. I'm sure that we could raise one in a civilised manner."
How modern.
"You said that, back in the Old City, if a man and a woman wanted to marry one another, they could leave the country. So you are aware that other countries handle relations between men and women differently."
Four nods, and Rina waits to see where we're going.
"Do you remember how that worked?"
"Their women were chattel of their fathers and husbands." Medina shakes her head. "I know that is not how things are now."
"Alright, but who raised the children?"
"I… Don't know..?"
Rina spots Medina becoming uncomfortable, and interjects.
"The fathers?"
"In most societies, children are raised jointly by their father and mother, with input from the extended family. The structure that Amazons use is… Unique, as far as I know. The closest I can think of is Sparta-."
They all glare.
"Exactly. Is that the comparison you want?"
Medina drops her eyes for a moment.
"So… Felix thought that… We were courting, as if we were to be married."
"Yes."
"And he was willing to have sex with me because he believed that we would raise the child together."
"Ah, actually, he thought you were using a medicine that would stop you conceiving, but-" She frowns. "-assumed that if you did conceive that you would raise the child together."
Karyne shakes her head. "Medina, did you not even mention that you were trying to conceive?"
"I-." She blinks, probably trying to recall the precise conversation. "I said that I wanted children. But I… Suppose that he might have thought that I meant 'at some time, after we are… Married', and not 'this is why I am having sex with you'. I… I think I owe him an apology."
Karyne nods. "Yes."
"But… What does that mean for..?"
"Ideally, the two of you discuss things and come to an agreement- and please bear in mind the cultural differences and don't assume things- and we present that to the forum as the correct way of handling the issue. If you can't, well… Then you state your positions to the forum and hope for the best, which isn't the best approach."
"No. Ah. If I… Cross through the portal again, will-?"
"I'll ask Princess Diana to invite him to the embassy in New York for the talks."
She nods, slightly relieved.
"Now, are you aware of any other women outside of your marriage group planning something similar? I'd like to get ahead of the problem."
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