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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Vaermina said:
Oh hey, plot hole, why wasn't the swords magic eaten along side everything else?
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Aabcehmu said:
Tastes Bad /s
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Yeah. It would've probably given him a heartburn if he tried./s
Alternatively: the sword eats magic/powers itself. It was just a better at depowering than Vamp-Ra was.
Or it was just the fact that Artemis used a sneak attack for double crit damage. You know how OP Stealth Archers are :p

Oh btw! Re: Melmoth and the Columbians

Did we ever find out where/when the Columbian planet is?
In another galaxy? In prehistory? In some pocket dimension/realm?

1. Power rings worked mostly fine so we know that it wasn't post-Starbreaker Earth .
2. It wasn't immediately pre-Sheeda Earth because Paragon had to greedport through time (and maybe space?) to get to Melmoth's orbital base/ship thing (which was orbiting pre-Sheeda Earth).
3. Paragon tried but failed to summon/channel Ophidian for... reasons? It doesn't tell us much except that the Best Snek was not responding the call for whatever reason (it could've just been napping/sunbathing for all we know - you know how reptiles are without catching some sun)
4. Original Subspace Pockets Inventory was unavailable for whatever reason but freshly generated one worked just fine.
5. None of the Lanterns even tried to call home for unexplained reasons nor could their rings determine their position (it time or space apparently).

The only conclusion that makes even remote sense to me is that Columbian "planet" is in some sort of magical pocket demi realm a la Morgaine le Fay's "Britain". With some sort of magical buffer/jamming powerful enough to prevent easy communication with the Emotional Embodiments (which is bullshit).
 
Agent Orange said:
Maybe my brain is just too slow (pre-morning coffee) but how do these two conclusions connect? Why is no glow good and how does that connect with Vamp-Ra Starbreaker blowing everything up?
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No glow isn't directly good, but it's better than the opposite extreme -- no glow means that Starbreaker didn't release all of the stored energy he'd consumed in one big death-burst. Which would leave the ring glowing... as well as the rest of the lethally-irradiated remains of the universe.
 
Coda said:
Which would leave the ring glowing... as well as the rest of the lethally-irradiated remains of the universe.
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Ah! But think of all the 'space' the blast would result in! All that energy his death released would've inflated the universe back into it's proper size. A mere dozen billion years later and stars would've coalesced out of the pre-stellar soup. If Grayven and Artemis just toughed it out for a little while the laws of physics would've stabilized and they could've just opened a portal home! But no. Vamp-Ra fizzled out and now they have to do it the boring way. :/
 
Agent Orange said:
Ah! But think of all the 'space' the blast would result in! All that energy his death released would've inflated the universe back into it's proper size. A mere dozen billion years later and stars would've coalesced out of the pre-stellar soup. If Grayven and Artemis just toughed it out for a little while the laws of physics would've stabilized and they could've just opened a portal home! But no. Vamp-Ra fizzled out and now they have to do it the boring way. :/
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I wonder where the mass and energy went. Probably has something to do with what made Starbreaker so hungry in the first place.
 
BlueMangoAdea said:
I wonder where the mass and energy went.
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All of it went into the Sword. Along with the mojo of all the entities it depowered. Usually it has time to digest it and emit all that mojo in form or relatively harmless radiation (Narrativium particles mostly) but Grayven - being a stab happy maniac he is - has been overfeeding it! If he keeps this pace up, at some point the Sword will barf all of that half-digested mojo all over the place and probably blow one giant plot hole in the universe in the process. A plot hole so massive that its gravity will attract all of the nearby plot holes into itself and just keep growing exponentially.
 
Agent Orange said:
All of it went into the Sword. Along with the mojo of all the entities it depowered. Usually it has time to digest it and emit all that mojo in form or relatively harmless radiation (Narrativium particles mostly) but Grayven - being a stab happy maniac he is - has been overfeeding it! If he keeps this pace up, at some point the Sword will barf all of that half-digested mojo all over the place and probably blow one giant plot hole in the universe in the process. A plot hole so massive that its gravity will attract all of the nearby plot holes into itself and just keep growing exponentially.
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I'm picturing something similar to what happened in Dragon Ball GT.

Basically they overused the Dragon Balls so much that they collected so much negative energy the Balls made a bunch of evil dragons.
 
Darko said:
I'm picturing something similar to what happened in Dragon Ball GT.

Basically they overused the Dragon Balls so much that they collected so much negative energy the Balls made a bunch of evil dragons.
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Huh, since the sword is actually made from two evil entities that could actually happen.

As to the sword not getting drained from being anywhere near Starbreaker? My best guesses are that the enchantment on it is so stupidly powerful and ingrained into it that, while potentially weakening it, The Entropy Field couldn't drain it fast enough to stop it from working, or the sword's got some exotic physical effect that makes it do the things it does, no real magic involved.
 
Assblaster5000 said:
Huh, since the sword is actually made from two evil entities that could actually happen.

As to the sword not getting drained from being anywhere near Starbreaker? My best guesses are that the enchantment on it is so stupidly powerful and ingrained into it that, while potentially weakening it, The Entropy Field couldn't drain it fast enough to stop it from working, or the sword's got some exotic physical effect that makes it do the things it does, no real magic involved.
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The New God tech renegade and Artemis had with them didn't break down after they showed up, so certain materials are resistant to it, and the Sword was made from some very, very powerful demons.
 
Assblaster5000 said:
Huh, since the sword is actually made from two evil entities that could actually happen.

As to the sword not getting drained from being anywhere near Starbreaker? My best guesses are that the enchantment on it is so stupidly powerful and ingrained into it that, while potentially weakening it, The Entropy Field couldn't drain it fast enough to stop it from working, or the sword's got some exotic physical effect that makes it do the things it does, no real magic involved.
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The sword isn't some super-weapon built by the god of enchantments over the course of decades or anything.

It was crafted by a low powered succubus in about 10 seconds.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"Ah, some time between Dad dropping me in a forest at night next to a pack of wolves with a rucksack full of bacon, and working as a superhero in Gotham."
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Sportsmaster is reminding me more and more of one Saotome Genma from the classic anime Ranma1/2. That is absolutely something he would do to his kid.
 
King of Frost said:
Sportsmaster is reminding me more and more of one Saotome Genma from the classic anime Ranma1/2. That is absolutely something he would do to his kid.
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The main difference being that if Sportsmaster found 'a training technique that would only be used by an idiot,' he would not use it. Genma did, because the warning was on the next page, and he didn't bother to read that far (also, Sportmaster would have read farther).
 
Summer's End (part 20)
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    "Ah!"

    A grinning, human-looking figure on one of the lower gantries grins broadly as Artemis and I approach, carried through the air on our aero-discs. We're a little way away from Caereglwys, the city that used to be the Sheeda capital before the war… Well, the place sent the largest proportion of its populations with the Harrowing fleet and then its rulers tried to lord it over the other cities…

    It didn't go well.

    "Hello! You must be the caretaker-management!"

    He… Does actually look familiar-. Ah! Yes.

    "And you must be ex-king Melmoth. I hear that you're immortal."

    "Indeed I am. And I hear that you disposed of that blight in the middle of our sun."

    Artemis's eyes narrow slightly. "And exactly how did you hear about that?"

    "I didn't rule this world for centuries by being second with the news. I had beacons set in place to transmit that information to me whenever I was whenever it happened. You're…" He looks at me with condescending curiosity. "Grayven, aren't you?"

    "Guilty as charged."

    "And… A female archer with the powers of a goddess..?" He raises his eyebrows. "Artemis?"

    Artemis looks away. "I need a new name."

    "If it's any consolation, Donna's isn't much better." I look back up at Melmoth. "Look… What do you want? We've just gotten this place working properly. We were just about to grab Starbreaker and put him to work rebuilding the universe."

    "Do you like this era so much that you no longer wish to leave it?"

    Artemis and I glance at each other. I incline my head slightly, prompting her to field the question.

    "No, we want to leave."

    "Then I have just the thing. A small quantity of the liquid which the Castle Revolving uses to travel through time. And unlike my ex-wife, I actually understand how to use it. Would you like to return to your own era? A little before? A little later? The very instant you left? I-."

    "Sorry." I raise my right hand. "Sorry to interrupt. What year is it?"

    "I have no idea. And given that we don't have a sun, and that the Earth never exactly 'orbited' the Vampire Sun, I don't see the relevance."

    Artemis throws her hands up. "Oh, come on! How can you be a time traveller if you don't know what the time is!?"

    "By aligning my chronal sensors to known temporal events. I don't need a calendar to follow a beacon. Though if it's troubling you this much, we're approximately one billion years from the Last Harrowing. Does knowing that make you happier?"

    "Actually-" Artemis nods. "-yeah. Yeah, it does."

    "Then I'm happy to be of service. But as I was saying, I can send you home. That's what you want, isn't it?"

    "Yeah." She nods again. "We do, and thanks for telling us there's a time machine on your ship. And I'm guessing you want us to hand over Earth-now to you?"

    "It would help. But in all honesty, both of you leaving would be quite adequate. I'm more than confident in my own ability to rise to the top of whatever civilisation you've built here."

    Hm. We have created a House of Lords analogue, but Artemis and I have a firm grasp on executive authority and we haven't… Put in place a system for Sheeda civilisation to govern itself fully after we leave. That was something we were planning on doing, obviously, but it wasn't urgent enough to prioritise just yet.

    Of course. He can't let us entrench a new planetary ruling elite. Taking over is easiest when there isn't anyone with a vested interest in keeping the job themselves. They served us and they can serve him. They might be mildly peeved not to get the power Artemis and I implied that they would, but they won't be losing out. Nothing would be taken away. The moment they get their new power, the moment one of them gets it and the system is there for others to peacefully receive it in turn… Suddenly, they aren't inclined to let anyone take it away from them permanently.

    Artemis nods. "And what happens if we say 'no'?"

    "Then… I… Simply take it from you. My Harvest Dreadnought has been extensively converted, and I picked up a few willing assistants before I returned to the present. Unlike the people who serve you, they're used to fighting in an environment where they're not having to carefully avoid being drained of all life. Their raw power is really rather impressive."

    I'm… Not sure whether that's an actual risk or not.

    "I know we haven't been focusing on our military force recently, but we did fight a world-spanning war not all that long ago. Not only do we still have all of the weapons and warcraft of that era, but we've got plenty of veterans who think well of us. And big as this ship is, I… Don't think you've got the resources to carry out a coup de force."

    "And I don't want to carry out a coup de force. I'm afraid.. that.. I don't understand your hesitation. You've achieved something wonderful here. You've freed Sheeda civilisation from the need to feed upon the past. You've given it a chance to build a new future, a chance that it didn't have before. A chance I've never had before. And I'm grateful; we're all grateful. And I'm offering you a chance to go home."

    "How exactly are we supposed to trust you not to just dump us back with the dinosaurs?"

    "Well, that wouldn't kill you, and would put you in the perfect position to disrupt our Harrowing of the sauriods. And since I don't remember you being there and since I don't want to risk erasing myself, I can't risk it. If you want to ask about another era, I can open a portal -briefly- and you can send through such probes or use such magics as will satisfy you as to its authenticity. Really…" He chuckles darkly. "It would be far more effort for me to produce a convincing fake than it would be to just send you away, when I know that doing so will result in your death… As.. evidenced by the fact that you're not here now. Some time in the next billion years the universe takes care of things for me, so whether it happens a mere million years one way or the other makes no difference to me at all."

    He tries an earnest smile, and even if he's genuine it comes off as completely dishonest.

    "I honestly just want you gone. Tell me what I can do to convince you, and I'll gladly do it."

    …

    I think I've been here too long. I'm feeling… Possessive, in a way I wasn't when I let Myand'r continue ruling Tamaran. I didn't feel this way when Armstrong gave me orders. I didn't feel this way when Jon asked me to do things or when Batman used to… It could be the… Time that's passed, or the closeness of the Source Wall, or… Just how dominant I am here. Or how attached I've become. I could hand over to Artemis without a moment's hesitation, but… This man…

    Artemis comes to a conclusion while I'm still mulling it over.

    "What exactly do you want to do with the place?"

    "While I've been away I've discovered new techniques, which can sustain us without needing to raid the past!"

    "And those are..?"

    "Dreams. We can raid the dreams lingering from more prosperous times and manifest them into reality. With this universe so stripped down there'll be no interference as we bring entire worlds from the unreal to the real."

    He might be onto something. Deep Dreaming manipulation hasn't really been an Apokoliptian thing. Which is a little surprising, now that I think about it.

    "Entire peoples, entire civilisations, ours to hunt and despoil, then return to unreality so that we can do it all again tomorrow! I almost wish we'd never bothered raiding the past, but alas, I didn't know this was possible. Such a glorious pleasure it will be!"

    I sigh, and look at Artemis who is in turn looking at me expectantly.

    "Yeah. Okay."

    I raise my left hand, orange power ring shining brilliantly, and brand him.
     
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    And ironically saved him from what Dream would do to him, which would probably be far nastier.
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    That's assuming Dream is even still around.

    Given everything that's happened to the universe he may very well be gone, and even if he comes back somehow Melmoth may be able to prevent him from interfering.

    He was once bound by an amateur magician, and Melmoth is a powerful and skilled mage, who has apparently been studying the Dreaming so he may have some way to deal with Dream.
     
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    The Endless are not gods, but the things themselves.

    So there will be no Dream when there are no more dreams, and not a second before, no matter how many times Dream is killed.

    So yes, Dream is still around, as are all the Endless.
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    Yeah, but Starbreakers whole eating of the universe and messing around with the Source Wall probably changed a lot of things about that, so there is the chance that Dream may have been one of his victims in his appetite.
     
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    And ironically saved him from what Dream would do to him, which would probably be far nastier.
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    It might not have been as bad.

    By this time, Morpheus should be dead and Daniel have taken his place. He in turn might have also gotten replaced, but he's the one we know about.

    I don't remember much of anything about how Daniel is as Dream, though.
     
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