With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Prince Charon · May 31, 2022

edmantgoog said:
Cybermen?

There are some Doctor Who references in Fallout, that I don't think are limited to 'Hey, who turned out the lights?'

Mr Zoat · May 31, 2022

Chojin Patriarch said:
It probably helps that you (and I'm guessing here) don't look all that different to a 'normal' American. No green skin, scaly patches or random gribbly bits they can see. So of course they're polite.

They also get a bit confused when he tries to explain where he's from.

Though I suspect the troops would probably insist on having full bellies rather than good armour, if they knew. An army marches on its' stomach, after all.

Actually, no. Power armour is so much a part of their identity that they'd be okay with half rations if it meant that they could still fight.

Because the Fallout universe never really embraced the transistor, did it?

Bethesda occasionally forgets that point.

KaiKolo said:
Has the Enclave ever stated that they intended to continue the war against the People's Republic of China?

The Enclave does claim to be the continuation of the United States government, they seem obsessed with the past, and Anti-Communist propaganda was ubiquitous before the Great War.

It wouldn't be too much of a stretch for the Enclave to want to finish what the old government couldn't in regards to the PRC.

Oh, definately. As far as they're concerned they're still at war with China, and Enclave Reborn actually allows you to nuke China.

iamnuff said:
Why wouldn't there be?

Robobrains are a known thing, right?

Covered tomorrow, but that was actually pretty unusual and robobrains only exist in a few places.

Prince Charon said:
There are some Doctor Who references in Fallout, that I don't think are limited to 'Hey, who turned out the lights?'

The Tardis is literally in the first game.

BR549 · May 31, 2022

Chojin Patriarch said:
Which raises another question: How will whoever's behind this view this little colony? Invaders... Or a stockpile of components?

Now now. The proper term you're looking for is 'Human Resources'.

moralrelativity · May 31, 2022

Mr Zoat said:
peering at the moments

moments -> contents

Mr Zoat · May 31, 2022

moralrelativity said:
moments -> contents

Thank you, corrected.

Windona · May 31, 2022

Welp, a brain in a robot is never a good sign if you're not expecting one.

Also 'We won the war!' in a victory so pyrric that I wouldn't call it victory

Mr Zoat · May 31, 2022

Windona said:
Also 'We won the war!' in a victory so pyrric that I wouldn't call it victory

At this point, the Enclave will take what it can get.

jasonh23761 · May 31, 2022

An odd tangent but bare with me. I realize 76 is kinda verboten in most Fallout circles but as flavor lore I rather like it. Along with some of it's questionable design decisions, taking a lot of the flavor lore and leaving out the too weird/absurd parts amuses me.

The Enclave's secret bunker being a literal stone's throw away from the ghoulified PRC infiltrators cavern base. These ghouls would actually both outlive and remain organized for longer then the Appalachian Enclave.

The Secretary of Agriculture, Thomas Eckartt, manages to essentially be the sole surviving member of cabinet that his branch of the Enclave can contact and then leverages it to become President of the United States in their eyes, of course he also gasses all dissenters.

He decides that a second strike must be conducted on those "god-forsaken reds" (his words at some point, I think, he rants a lot) out of a combination of genuine paranoia and a grudge against his father who was a high profile socialist and traitor to the good ol US of A.

President Crazy-Pants then proceeds to go through a series of increasingly stupid actions that essentially are the root cause of 95% of the crap you end up dealing with in 76. Including but not limited to:

The mass murder of dissenting Enclave personnel, including the surviving flag officers.

The deliberate cultivation of the Scorch Beasts and associated Scorch Plague which wipes out the Appalachian survivors one faction at a time, though this is aided by the survivor's stupidity.

The deliberate release of PRC propaganda and sabotage robots known as "Liberators"

Active sabotage and murder of Free States aligned survivors.

All of it in the name of essentially tricking an automated system to give him control over automated, self assembling nuclear missile silos with the aim of conducting a second strike on the PRC.

President Crazy-Pants kills off his own General, is then locked out of the system until finding loyalist officers to promote to General. He then misleads and lies to this General and when she gets suspicious, has her placed in a coma.

The General's troops try to reclaim her and start their attack by trying to take the bunker AI, MODUS, offline. MODUS does not take well to this and both locks down the bunker and kills everyone inside with a liberal spray of gas.

All in all, President Thomas Eckhart sets a high bar for the most moronic, blood thirsty incompetent, self defeating and destructive leader and Fallout faction has ever had. At least Caesar had pretensions of sophistication and purpose with half remembered hegelian justifications. Eckhart was in human epitome of everything wrong with pre-war USA.

Mr Zoat · May 31, 2022

jasonh23761 said:
An odd tangent but bare with me. I realize 76 is kinda verboten in most Fallout circles but as flavor lore I rather like it Along with some of it's questionable design decisions, taking a lot of the flavor lore and leaving out the too weird/absurd parts amuses me.

The Enclave's secret bunker being a literal stone's throw away from the ghoulified PRC infiltrators cavern base. These ghouls would actually both outlive and remain organized for longer then the Appalachian Enclave.

The Secretary of Agriculture, Thomas Eckartt, manages to essentially be the sole surviving member of cabinet that his branch of the Enclave can contact and then leverages it to become President of the United States in their eyes, of course he also gasses all dissenters.

He decides that a second strike must be conducted on those "god-forsaken reds" (his words at some point, I think, he rants a lot) out of a combination of genuine paranoia and a grudge against his father who was a high profile socialist and traitor to the good ol US of A.

President Crazy-Pants then proceeds to go through a series of increasingly stupid actions that essentially are the root cause of 95% of the crap you end up dealing with in 76. Including but not limited to:

The mass murder of dissenting Enclave personnel, including the surviving flag officers.

The deliberate cultivation of the Scorch Beasts and associated Scorch Plague which wipes out the Appalachian survivors one faction at a time, though this is aided by the survivor's stupidity.

The deliberate release of PRC propaganda and sabotage robots known as "Liberators"

Active sabotage and murder of Free States aligned survivors.

All of it in the name of essentially tricking an automated system to give him control over automated, self assembling nuclear missile silos with the aim of conducting a second strike on the PRC.

President Crazy-Pants kills off his own General, is then locked out of the system until finding loyalist officers to promote to General. He then misleads and lies to this General and when she gets suspicious, has her placed in a coma.

The General's troops try to reclaim her and start their attack by trying to take the bunker AI, MODUS, offline. MODUS does not take well to this and both locks down the bunker and kills everyone inside with a liberal spray of gas.

All in all, President Thomas Eckhart sets a high bar for the most moronic, blood thirsty incompetent, self defeating and destructive leader and Fallout faction has ever had. At least Caesar had pretensions of sophistication and purpose with half remembered hegelian justifications. Eckhart was in human epitome of everything wrong with pre-war USA.

If you play Old World Blues as WARDEN, you get in contact with MODUS at the end of your focus tree. He basically gives you some nukes on the condition that you stop trying to contact the President.

jasonh23761 · May 31, 2022

Mr Zoat said:
If you play Old World Blues as WARDEN, you get in contact with MODUS at the end of your focus tree. He basically gives you some nukes on the condition that you stop trying to contact the President.

It's been awhile since I played OWB, I'm honestly just waiting for 4.0 to come out already with how long they've been teasing it. I'm quite looking forward to Montana Enclave and what they do with the Rangers.

Eckhart would have been long dead by then, 150+ years dead I think. Honestly at that point I'm hopeful Appalachia becomes something but the absence of any mention of them in FO3 will be difficult to reconcile lore wise. Especially with FO76 having expeditions to the Pitt in the next season.

Mr Zoat · May 31, 2022

jasonh23761 said:
It's been awhile since I played OWB, I'm honestly just waiting for 4.0 to come out already with how long they've been teasing it.

Me too, because of course no one is updating their submods until it drops.

I'm quite looking forward to Montana Enclave and what they do with the Rangers.

Just me on the racoons, then?

Vaermina · May 31, 2022

Mr Zoat said:
"Why is there a brain in this robot?"

So not the Institute then...

jasonh23761 · May 31, 2022

Mr Zoat said:
Me too, because of course no one is updating their submods until it drops.

Yeah, that makes sense. The NSB expansion dropping in the middle of the dev cycle didn't exactly help either.

Mr Zoat said:
Just me on the racoons, then?

Yeah, just you mate. Some days I forget just how off the wall FO1 was.

Cuchulin · Jun 1, 2022

BR549 said:
Now now. The proper term you're looking for is 'Human Resources'.

After all, They wouldn't call it that if it wasn't meant to be strip mined.

Mr Zoat · Jun 1, 2022

4th November 2282
16:34 CDT

"Doctor. Mister Krowno. What do you have for meh?"

Governor Autumn stands at parade rest, his two power armoured bodyguards staying a few paces back. They don't actually wear Advanced Power Armour. Instead, they've got something called Hellfire Armour, and given that the pauldrons and helmet have a noticeably different shape than standard APA I've encouraged them to switch over to that variant entirely for their more sophisticated units.

"They're using brains, s-. Governor." Dr. Rubens uses a wand to point to one of the heads we took apart more carefully once we understood enough about their interior structure to do that without mangling anything. "They're cybernetically augmented to handle the robotic frame, but there aren't enough synthetic components in there to do all the work."

"Am ah to unduhstand that somebody is making a new type of robobrain?"

"Yes, Governor. Only this time, they're using human brains."

Autumn frowns, disgusted. "What mannuh of man would stoop so low?"

I nod. "General Atomics, but these use a different interface system. I'm not sure-."

Doctor Rubens rolls her eyes. "General Atomics used chimpanzee brains for their robobrains. Not a lot of chimpanzees in America today. This is new."

"With the greatest respect, Doctor, I am something of an expert on human brains. The robobrains guarding the Vault-Tec headquarters in Washington D.C. were definitely using human brains, as were the ones recovered from the Sierra Army Depot."

She blinks, a refutation rushing to her lips before the obvious fact that I will have checked makes itself known to her thought processes.

"How do you even know what a chimpanzee looks like?"

"Greenway Hydroponics kept records of just about every animal and plant that they could, and I've got good relations with them." She frowns slightly. "The old U.S. government's seed bank project? I told you that was where your G.E.C.K. came from."

"That-. May well be, but-."

"But human brains can serve the same purpose?" Autumn has walked closer, taking a look at one of the board-mounted engineering diagrams. "Is theyah anything left of the man inside?"

Dr. Rubens shakes her head. "No. The system for providing tactile feedback isn't complex enough."

That's not a certainty. Diana's brain exists in a similar system, but she's got an entire facility and a ZAX mainframe to get input from. These… Mechanoids? Don't have that, and we couldn't find a remote communication device.

"I…"

Autumn turns his head my way. "Mister Krowno? You disagree?"

"We couldn't detect any trace of the chemicals that General Atomics used to wipe the brains they used. The damaged caused to the prefrontal lobe by the cybernetics suggests to me that whoever did this wasn't interested in preserving the personhood of whoever's brain this was. And Doctor Rubens is right about the deleterious effect a lack of tactile feedback has on the human mind… But I wouldn't want to draw a firm conclusion without more information."

"Such as hwat?"

"If we pierced the cranial armour of one with a still-living brain, then I could try communicating with them telepathically."

"It seem to me that doing that would be something of a risk."

"I've communicated with diseased minds before, and robobrains."

"Ah was referring to the difficultah of bringing one of these things down. Ah trust you to make a determination of your own abilahties yourself."

I shrug. "You've the governor, Governor. I'm happy to make the attempt."

"Have you discovahd anything that would give us a clue about how many of these machines arh out theyuh waiting for us?"

Dr. Rubens shakes her head. "With communications being as difficult as they are and with.. what we know about recent mutant displacements, anyone who was making these could easily get hold of a lot of human brains."

"Come now Doctuh. Please do not refer to our fellow Americans in so derogatory a mannuh."

I nod. "The people of Heaven's Gate are pretty close to pre-War human baselines, physiologically speaking. So there's no real way to confirm if that's where these brains came from. It could equally be some sort of virtual reality Vault that no one else has discovered."

"Ah see. What else have you discovuhd?"

Dr. Rubens moves along to a group of devices extracted from the robot's torso.

"They don't run on nuclear batteries. They appear to generate electricity by feeding on radiation in their environment. We found these devices on the inside of their air intakes; they're breathing in the radioactive dust clouds to keep themselves going."

"So they cannot leave them."

"Not for long, at least. And their guns don't have space for power cells; they run them purely off their own internal batteries."

"Could we modify them for our use?"

She nods. "Yes, but they're not much better against armored targets than our existing weapons. I don't know how worthwhile it would be."

"And against unarmored targets?"

"Slightly superior. Do you have something in mind, sir?"

"It seems to me that these would make excellent worm killuhs, if combined with an eyebot and some mannuh of lewuh. And what about the powuh sources themselves?"

"They won't work here; there's not enough radiation. I could build some sort of charge station that a patrol could take with them into the dust clouds so they could recharge their power cells, that wouldn't be too difficult. Or we could build a power plant in the clouds and lay a cable back into the settlement."

He nods. "Mister Krowno, have you seen this technology in use by anyone else?"

I shake my head. "No. This is the first I've seen of it."

"Ah see. And is theyuh some limitation on how long these robots can operate?"

Dr. Rubens nods cautiously. "Yes, their peak draw is far more than they can generate outside of the very worst radiation zones. They use them to charge their internal batteries and capacitors, so unlike the fusion cells in our power armour they can only fight for… I'd say twenty minutes at most before they would shut down due to lack of power. Even less if they wanted to give themselves time to disengage."

"Is theyuh any advantage over the fusion cell that I am simply not seeing?"

"They'd be easier to manufacture. We salvage our atomics from pre-War sources but these can be made without doing that."

"Which suggests that whoevuh made these does not have access to a storehouse of advanced pre-War technology. Aftuh all, the design of the fusion cell was not considered to be a state secret."

"That seems likely, Governor."

"Then this design is theyuh own?"

"Not entirely. The arms and legs are based on the designs for pre-War cybernetics, as are a lot of the chassis and motor systems. But the robot-. Cyborg, is something."

Autumn nods thoughtfully, not looking at either of us.

"Mister Krowno, I fear that ah must call upon your services. Given the events of our recent past, ah have no desire to seek affray with owuh new neighbours. Yet they attacked you without warning, and ah cannot risk hwat little of the Enclave still remains to the vagaries of fate."

I nod. "I'll speak to the Sergeant about putting a team together to do some exploring. See if we can make contact."

"Ah would be most grateful. Yet I am aware that our situation here is dependent on your embassy and intervention with owuh former enemies. Do not risk yourself unnecessarily."

"As you say. Governor. Doctor."

KaiKolo · Jun 1, 2022

I wonder if large scale power generation using the Environmental Radiation absorption could be used to reduce the radiation levels over time.

You would need to spend time and resources replacing or moving the power generators to new locations once they've depleted the Environmental Radiation but that's a small expense compared to the benefits to standards of living and quality of life that less radiation would bring.

Say what you will about Fallout 4 and Fallout 76, I do like the signs that nature has adapting to the new environment and life continues without having to become gigantic or mutated monstrosities.

It would be great to see what ever became of the Capital Wasteland after Project Purity.

Chojin Patriarch · Jun 1, 2022

Mr Zoat said:
4th November 2282
16:34 CDT

"Doctor. Mister Krowno. What do you have for meh?"

Governor Autumn stands at parade rest, his two power armoured bodyguards staying a few paces back. They don't actually wear Advanced Power Armour. Instead, they've got something called Hellfire Armour, and given that the pauldrons and helmet have a noticeably different shape than standard APA I've encouraged them to switch over to that variant entirely for their more sophisticated units.

Dear gods, I can hear the drawl. At any rate, I see he's an old military man. Hopefully he's wise enough to know to let the big brains work out what the troops need to know to fight these things.

"They're using brains, s-. Governor." Dr. Rubens uses a wand to point to one of the heads we took apart more carefully once we understood enough about their interior structure to do that without mangling anything. "They're cybernetically augmented to handle the robotic frame, but there aren't enough synthetic components in there to do all the work."

"Am ah to unduhstand that somebody is making a new type of robobrain?"

And done a better job of it than the previous design by that name. After all, these ones walked, ran and jumped their way around the battlefield.

"Yes, Governor. Only this time, they're using human brains."

Autumn frowns, disgusted. "What mannuh of man would stoop so low?"

...Maybe someone already accustomed to using human brains for control systems?

I nod. "General Atomics, but these use a different interface system. I'm not sure-."

Doctor Rubens rolls her eyes. "General Atomics used chimpanzee brains for their robobrains. Not a lot of chimpanzees in America today. This is new."

Oh, is that what they claim?

"With the greatest respect, Doctor, I am something of an expert on human brains. The robobrains guarding the Vault-Tec headquarters in Washington D.C. were definitely using human brains, as where the ones recovered from the Sierra Army Depot."

She blinks, a refutation rushing to her lips before the obvious fact that I will have checked makes itself known to her thought processes.

Yeah, Krono is not known for making wild accusations, I'm sure.

"How do you even know what a chimpanzee looks like?"

"Greenway Hydroponics kept records of just about every animal and plant that they could, and I've got good relations with them." She frowns slightly. "The old U.S. government's seed bank project? I told you that was where your G.E.C.K. came from."

After all, you're going to need such things to rebuild, once the radiation is cleaned up.

"That-. May well be, but-."

"But human brains can serve the same purpose?" Autumn has walked closer, taking a look at one of the board-mounted engineering diagrams. "Is theyah anything left of the man inside?"

If there is, I suspect trying to read their mind will net you nothing but endless [Screams Internally]...

Dr. Rubens shakes her head. "No. The system for providing tactile feedback isn't complex enough."

That's not a certainty. Diana's brain exists in a similar system, but she's got an entire facility and a ZAX mainframe to get input from. These… Mechanoids? Don't have that, and we couldn't find a remote communication device.

So it's a safe bet that no, they don't.

"I…"

Autumn turns his head my way. "Mister Krowno? You disagree?"

Hmm... What to tell him, hmm?

"We couldn't detect any trace of the chemicals that General Atomics used to wipe the brains they used. The damaged caused to the prefrontal lobe by the cybernetics suggests to me that whoever did this wasn't interested in preserving the personhood of whoever's brain this was. And Doctor Rubens is right about the deleterious effect tactile feedback has on the human mind… But I wouldn't want to draw a firm conclusion without more information."

"Such as hwat?"

Well, he does have one advantage the rest of you don't...

"If we pierced the cranial armour of one with a still-living brain, then I could try communicating with them telepathically."

"It seem to me that doing that would be something of a risk."

I'm sure the 'Mechanoid' and its buddies would have natural objections, yes...

"I've communicated with diseased minds before, and robobrains."

"Ah was referring to the difficultah of bringing one of these things down. Ah trust you to make a determination of your own abilahties yourself."

Well, now that's what I call a reasonable authority figure!

I shrug. "You've the governor, Governor. I'm happy to make the attempt."

"Have you discovahd anything that would give us a clue about how many of these machines arh out theyuh waiting for us?"

And more importantly, how aggressive they might be towards your borders?

Dr. Rubens shakes her head. "With communications being as difficult as they are and with.. what we know about recent mutant displacements, anyone who was making these could easily get hold of a lot of human brains."

"Come now Doctuh. Please do not refer to our fellow Americans in so derogatory a mannuh."

Goodness, not a bigot? I'm liking this guy even more.

I nod. "The people of Heaven's Gate are pretty close to pre-War human baselines, physiologically speaking. So there's no real way to confirm if that's where these brains came from. It could equally be some sort of virtual reality Vault that no one else has discovered."

"Ah see. What else have you discovuhd?"

Now there's a nasty idea. The group responsible for these, raiding a cryo-vault full of pre-war humans... They could well have hundreds of Mechanoids lurking about.

Dr. Rubens moves along to a group of devices extracted from the robot's torso.

"They don't run on nuclear batteries. They appear to generate electricity by feeding on radiation in their environment. We found these devices on the inside of their air intakes; they're breathing in the radioactive dust clouds to keep themselves going."

Clever idea, given the average radiation level outside the colony.

"So they cannot leave them."

"Not for long, at least. And their guns don't have space for power cells; they run them purely off their own internal batteries."

Further reducing their operational runtime. Scary thought: what if these were prototypes sent out to make themselves useful once their tech had been surpassed?

"Could we modify them for our use?"

She nods. "Yes, but they're not much better against armored targets than our existing weapons. I don't know how worthwhile it would be."

And you'd be limited to using them in high-radiation areas. Hardly pleasant for the men carrying them.

"And against unarmored targets?"

"Slightly superior. Do you have something in mind, sir?"

Well, every iota of advantage counts in a situation as precarious as theirs, I suppose.

"It seems to me that these would make excellent worm killuhs, if combined with a eyebot and some mannuh of lewuh. And what about the powuh sources themselves?"

"They won't work here; there's not enough radiation. I could build some sort of charge station that a patrol could take with them into the dust clouds so they could recharge their power cells, that wouldn't be too difficult. Or we could build a power plant in the clouds and lay a cable back into the settlement."

'lewuh'... Lure? Huh. Clever idea. Adapt them into point defence weapons against hostile wildlife, maybe?

He nods. "Mister Krowno, have you seen this technology in use by anyone else?"

I shake my head. "No. This is the first I've seen of it."

To be fair, you haven't seen the whole country yet, have you? There could well be stranger things out there...

"Ah see. And is theyuh some limitation on how long these robots can operate?"

Dr. Rubens nods cautiously. "Yes, their peak draw is far more than they can generate outside of the very worst radiation zones. They use them to charge their internal batteries and capacitors, so unlike the fusion cells in our power armour they can only fight for… I'd say twenty minutes at most before they would shut down due to lack of power. Even less if they wanted to give themselves time to disengage."

But unlike your power cells, they won't create a miniature nuclear blast if they're breached, will they?

"Is theyuh any advantage over the fusion cell that I am simply not seeing?"

"They'd be easier to manufacture. We salvage our atomics from pre-War sources but these can be made without doing that."

Helpful, for a colony just starting out. Even with neighbours willing to help you with tech, there's still a lot of holes to be patched in your technological base.

"Which suggests that whoevuh made these does not have access to a storehouse of advanced pre-War technology. Aftuh all, the design of the fusion cell was not considered to be a state secret."

"That seems likely, Governor."

In other words, they're making new shit up as they go? Interesting. Gruesome, but interesting.

"Then this design is theyuh own?"

"Not entirely. The arms and legs are based on the designs for pre-War cybernetics, as it a lot of the chassis and motor systems. But the robot-. Cyborg, is something."

So, if you could get them on your side, would you? Their ideas are unorthodox, but inventive.

Autumn nods thoughtfully, not looking at either of us.

"Mister Krowno, I fear that ah must call upon your services. Given the events of our recent past, ah have no desire to seek affray with owuh new neighbours. Yet they attacked you without warning, and ah cannot risk with little of the Enclave still remains to the vagaries of fate."

And just ignoring it might seem like an open invitation for further assaults.

I nod. "I'll speak to the Sergeant about putting a team together to do some exploring. See if we can make contact."

"Ah would be most grateful. Yet I am aware that our situation here is dependent on your embassy and intervention with owuh former enemies. Do not risk yourself unnecessarily."

"As you say. Governor. Doctor."

The joy of being the most valuable guy in the region.

So, then. What's the bet that if he does manage to get one of these Mechanoids pinned down long enough to read its brain, all he gets is frenzied screaming? Because it sounds like the source behind them isn't too concerned with humane treatment of its human resources. I wonder, how likely is it that this is an old pre-war AI left to fester for centuries, that thinks the war is still on and pegging any and all lifeforms as hostile combatants?

Mr Zoat, Corrections:

...as where the ones recovered from the Sierra Army Depot.

...as were the ones recovered from the Sierra Army Depot.

...if combined with a eyebot and...

...if combined with an eyebot and... (Unless his accent can be blamed...)

...as it a lot of the chassis and motor systems.

...as is a lot of the chassis and motor systems.

...and ah cannot risk with little of the Enclave...

...and ah cannot risk what little of the Enclave...

iamnuff · Jun 1, 2022

KaiKolo said:
I wonder if large scale power generation using the Environmental Radiation absorption could be used to reduce the radiation levels over time.

Talk about your green energies, huh?

It's powered by ambient Bad Shit(tm) in the atmosphere, so it's more-or-less clean to use, and if you drain enough of it you might actually make the environment slightly safer.

Something about the idea of a power-plant that inflicts Unpollution on the area around it really appeals to me.

BlackCoat13 · Jun 1, 2022

A power generator that sucks the radiation out of an area would be a rather nice PR and diplomatic tool, which considering they're the ENCLAVE they'd really need something to help the people of the apocalyptic world look past their history.

Old Knife · Jun 1, 2022

KaiKolo said:
I wonder if large scale power generation using the Environmental Radiation absorption could be used to reduce the radiation levels over time.

Doesn't the fact that "Radiation" is already a form of radiant energy transfered through atmosphere mean that it's already leaking from the object? I don't see how draining the energy in the continually dissipating energy in the atmosphere would affect the energy in the area since it comes from irradiated objects.

Wouldn't a better method simply be to drain the irradiated objects of radiation in that case?

Mr Zoat · Jun 1, 2022

KaiKolo said:
I wonder if large scale power generation using the Environmental Radiation absorption could be used to reduce the radiation levels over time.

You would need to spend time and resources replacing or moving the power generators to new locations once they've depleted the Environmental Radiation but that's a small expense compared to the benefits to standards of living and quality of life that less radiation would bring.

They could, but it's not really worth the effort when G.E.C.K.s do it better.

Say what you will about Fallout 4 and Fallout 76, I do like the signs that nature has adapting to the new environment and life continues without having to become gigantic or mutated monstrosities.

It would be great to see what ever became of the Capital Wasteland after Project Purity.

Though it hasn't happened yet, the military power and water control means that the Western Brotherhood is probably going to end up ruling the region. The only question is whether the Outcasts leave the region of yield to the inevitable.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Dear gods, I can hear the drawl.

I want to know where his accent comes from. He grew up on the Esat Coast and moves to the West Coast, and no one else in the Enclave talks like that.

Goodness, not a bigot? I'm liking this guy even more.

You could also read it as 'don't do it out loud when they're standing right there'.

And Doctor Rubens is right about the deleterious effect a lack of tactile feedback
...as were the ones recovered from the Sierra Army Depot.
...if combined with an eyebot and... (Unless his accent can be blamed...)
...as is a lot of the chassis and motor systems.
...and ah cannot risk what little of the Enclave...

Thank you, corrected.

Ardy · Jun 1, 2022

Mr Zoat said:
You could also read it as 'don't do it out loud when they're standing right there'.

He is a politician now

Mr Zoat said:
The damaged

The damage

ForeverShogo · Jun 1, 2022

Funny you mentioned OWB 4.0, because it just dropped.

Spoiler is the map as of the release.

Seems there's an Enclave presence in Montana called MacArthur Base and their main rival is a Brotherhood chapter. They also get quite a bit of material support from the Chicago Enclave.

Handlewithcare · Jun 1, 2022

What's this? A sensible person in power? In Fallout???

And he's Ex-Enclave?????

Heresy! Burn the witch!

Mr Zoat · Jun 1, 2022

ForeverShogo said:
Funny you mentioned OWB 4.0, because it just dropped.

Spoiler is the map as of the release.

Flipping Nora, I hadn't realised how big it was going to be.

Seems there's an Enclave presence in Montana called MacArthur Base and their main rival is a Brotherhood chapter. They also get quite a bit of material support from the Chicago Enclave.

And if I remember correctly, those are designed by the person who did Enclave Reborn.

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What's this? A sensible person in power? In Fallout???

And he's Ex-Enclave?????

Heresy! Burn the witch!

House is pretty sensible.

I_S · Jun 1, 2022

Gah every single comment I have is multiple different forms of radiation does not work that way.

Freakin fallout and it's magical clarktech radioactive materials.

rdfox · Jun 1, 2022

I_S said:
Gah every single comment I have is multiple different forms of radiation does not work that way.

Freakin fallout and it's magical clarktech radioactive materials.

Given that at least three separate species of radiophagic/radiovorous black mold have been discovered inside what's left of Chernobyl's reactor #4, happily photosynthesizing the gamma radiation the corium in the "elephant's foot" is giving off, I don't think the idea of what's essentially a photovoltaic cell working in the gamma ray wavelengths is that implausible.

Inefficient, yes, like all solar cells (in terms of surface area required per energy output), and prone to rapid decay due to the damage from alpha and beta particles, but I don't see any physics-based reason it couldn't be made to work, anyway. Gamma rays are merely, as Spock once put it, high-energy photons, after all.

Silverias · Jun 1, 2022

I will say, I love fallout 3, but I absolutely despise what they did with the GECK.

Mr Zoat · Jun 1, 2022

Silverias said:
I will say, I love fallout 3, but I absolutely despise what they did with the GECK.

Would you care to elucidate?

Silverias · Jun 1, 2022

Mr Zoat said:
Would you care to elucidate?

In Fallout 2, the surprise about the geck is that it's basically just a settlement starter kit. This is from the fallout bible and some pretty minor stuff in fallout 2, but basically, the geck is only a terraforming device in that it has a cold fusion generator, chemical treatments for the soil, fertilizers, seeds, and all the literature you'd need to restart society. There's mentions of a matter-energy replicator in the manual, but the fallout bible (semi-canon stuff released later), says that the replicators are a corporate lie from vault-tec referring to the seed and fertlizer systems, plus codes for the fabricators in the vault to assist in its disassembly into a functional settlement. (See: Vault City in FO2)

It's not supposed to be some miracle terraformer that converts the matter in the area into a lush oasis in the wastes, that was just the advertising.

Then Fallout 3 changed it, and I dislike the idea that this thing exists and hasn't been used all over the wasteland. Even if one one out of ten vautls survived to the fallout era, and only one in ten vaults had a GECK, with two GECKs per vault, there should be lush areas that slowly begin to spread and repair America just from idiots using the geck without realizing what it did (Like you can do in 3)

It's not the technology part that bothers me. The Sierra Madre machines explicitly ARE replicators, it's more the...idea that Vault-tec was 100% telling the truth about what the GECK could do when them selling a miracle and it being something mundane was part of the dark humor of FO2.

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