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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)
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I meant that it was showing up twice, with the second link being the actual URL, not that the image wasn't working at all.
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Probably not the case here since Zoat doesn't like incorporating stuff from after Flashpoint, but Forager had a series, Bug, about him waking up after his death in Cosmic Odyssey, which was a massive love letter to the works of Jack Kirby.
It cannon welded the New Gods and OMAC- The Brother Eye satellite was revealed to actually be the shell around the true source of Buddy's power- A brotherbox.
It cannon welded the New Gods and OMAC- The Brother Eye satellite was revealed to actually be the shell around the true source of Buddy's power- A brotherbox.
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Maybe the Checkmate people got their hands on a Box after Manheim was beaten.
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Someone's been messing with Destiny's book.
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It is well past time that the SI briefed Batman (you know, the Justice League's great detective) on all of this. It's clear OL has pulled the thread on something very big, and he needs an expert to tell him where to poke next.
Unfortunately he doesn't want to talk to Batman. On the other hand, OL did send out an alert to all rings users... which includes Batman. So he may have consulted Batman even if he didn't mean to consult Batman.
Unfortunately he doesn't want to talk to Batman. On the other hand, OL did send out an alert to all rings users... which includes Batman. So he may have consulted Batman even if he didn't mean to consult Batman.
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18th January 2000
00:49 GMT -5
Of course they bloody can't.
The Tollana stargate is in a guarded bunker, and Major Carter is doing something with their dialling computer. Probably trying to work out how to make it dial to one of the ships presently bombarding the entire hemisphere with plasma cannons.
Colonel O'Neill doesn't quite point his rifle at me, but he does raise it slightly. "I thought you were gunna kill that guy."
I shrug. "I didn't think he'd come in shooting. Or that he'd deploy a combat air patrol. It would be difficult for me to sneak up there now."
Apophis isn't a fool, but he's not that creative either. He's not throwing rocks or anything like that. He's just carrying out a normal bombardment with a slight tactical twist. The Tollan ion cannons are pretty beefy, but they're not kill-a-ha'tak-in-one-hit beefy. I'd guess that they're there more to scare off an opportunistic raider than to stop a major attack. The Tollan haven't actually been here all that long after all. Really, it's impressive that they've managed to build up as much as they have.
It's just not enough.
Apophis is using the other ha'tak to soak hits in rotation, each one retreating once its shields threaten to overload. Meanwhile the heavier guns of his flagship carry on bombarding the surface uninterrupted. And to make matters worse…
I shake my head. "Major, don't bother. He doesn't have a single stargate in his fleet."
"Oh yeah?" O'Neill raises his eyebrows. "And how do you know that?"
"The sensors I use make anything you or the Tollan use looks like spyglasses. Stargates are distinctive." I smile. "I guess he learned from last time."
"Damn it. Okay, Carter, get Narim and find out what their evacuation plans are. Teal'c, you're with me. I need to find where Jackson and Skaara got to."
Carter pulls herself out from under the dialling device and O'Neill and Teal'c head out of the bunker at a jog.
"Remember, they're both goa'uld! Stronger than normal humans, and they've probably got hidden weapons!"
Carter picks up her gun and turns to me. "You should probably get going."
"Oh please. I can track the incoming shots, and Apophis doesn't have any particular grudge against me. No, I'll come with you."
"I can handle myself, thanks."
She heads for the exit, and I jog along behind her.
"Yes, because… That peashooter will stop shots from a capital ship plasma cannon…"
"Your personal force field can't protect two people."
Up to the surface and along a boulevard. The Tollan themselves are moving to mustering points or fortified bunkers. Which… If Apophis wants to rescue his son he'll have to land troops eventually, but he can level just about everywhere else first.
BOOM!
Somewhere to the south something takes a hit, and the ground shakes in response.
"You mean that the standard goa'uld personal force field can't protect two people."
She glances back. "And yours can?"
"I could probably protect this city, honestly. For a little while." I smirk. "If there was something in it for me. But that's not really a solution. Left here."
She slows as we come to an intersection. "What?"
"You don't know where he is so you're heading for the Curia building. A building that way has been knocked into the road."
She nods, turns, and starts running again. Interesting. I'd have thought that an aircraft pilot would look up more, even if she's mostly been working as scientist/infantry lately.
BOOM!
The south-west this time. He's hitting… The ion cannons, naturally.
"Did you know that it's possible to build a point defence electrolaser that can cause gou'ald plasma shots to detonate prematurely?"
She actually skips a step, presumably distracted by the idea. "The added electricity-. The plasma containment would fluctuate and.. fail. It wouldn't be any use against staff weapons-."
"You just say that because you keep fighting Jaffa at close range. At medium or long range you can build a counter fire laser system. You'd need a good targetting computer and sensors, but when you already know the origin point the calculations really aren't all that demanding."
"In an atmosphere destabliising shots from a capital ship the explosion would still devastate anything on the surface-."
"Unless you really know what you're doing, and you can make it release most of its energy away from the target." I stop. "Look up."
She looks up-. And her eyes widen at the approaching glow. "Where will it come down?"
"Right here. They were aiming at the Curia building, but…" I wrinkle my nose. "Ha'tak targetting computers aren't that great."
"Then-."
I raise my left hand, supporting it with my right. Calculating…
And fire. First a laser, creating a line of charged particles in the air. Then the electrical energy blasts upwards in a blinding flash!
Shield.
An orange shield construct appears above us as the plasma ball explodes. As the ring's computer calculated, most of the plasma blasts upwards, and what doesn't? That's well within my abilities to stop.
I grin at Major Carter and flash my eyes. "Gaze upon the power of a-."
"You've miniaturized a solar radiation shield!"
"What?" I frown. "No, that's not what's happening at all. Solar radiation shields deflect energy, they're not solid barriers. If you tried using one to stop a capital ship plasma shot the most that would happen is that the explosion would be a little less bright."
I dismiss the construct, the plasma energy having been mostly dispersed. Carter stares at my ring, then up at the sky, probably trying to work out exactly what I just did. Because she's right: a normal shield device couldn't do anything like that.
Then she snaps out of it. "We should get going."
I lower my hand and follow her towards the Curia building. There's a squad of armed soldiers just inside the entrance, and while Carter clearly gets a pass they're looking decidedly less happy to see me. She nods a greeting to one of them. "Narim."
"What happened to that last shot? I didn't think that Earth had energy shield technology."
I smile. "That was me."
He looks at me, clearly feeling awkward. "Then.. you have the gratitude of the Tollan people. Can you stop any more?"
"Sure. How are your guns doing?"
"I don't think you'd ask me if you didn't know the answer."
"Fine. Bastet's ordered me to kill Apophis, but I can do that and then leave and still have done my job. If you want help with his fleet, then I want things in return."
He doesn't look happy, but he keep his expression mostly under control as he nods. "I do not have the authority to agree to anything, but I can relay a request to the Curia very rapidly."
I smile. "Glad to hear it."
00:49 GMT -5
Of course they bloody can't.
The Tollana stargate is in a guarded bunker, and Major Carter is doing something with their dialling computer. Probably trying to work out how to make it dial to one of the ships presently bombarding the entire hemisphere with plasma cannons.
Colonel O'Neill doesn't quite point his rifle at me, but he does raise it slightly. "I thought you were gunna kill that guy."
I shrug. "I didn't think he'd come in shooting. Or that he'd deploy a combat air patrol. It would be difficult for me to sneak up there now."
Apophis isn't a fool, but he's not that creative either. He's not throwing rocks or anything like that. He's just carrying out a normal bombardment with a slight tactical twist. The Tollan ion cannons are pretty beefy, but they're not kill-a-ha'tak-in-one-hit beefy. I'd guess that they're there more to scare off an opportunistic raider than to stop a major attack. The Tollan haven't actually been here all that long after all. Really, it's impressive that they've managed to build up as much as they have.
It's just not enough.
Apophis is using the other ha'tak to soak hits in rotation, each one retreating once its shields threaten to overload. Meanwhile the heavier guns of his flagship carry on bombarding the surface uninterrupted. And to make matters worse…
I shake my head. "Major, don't bother. He doesn't have a single stargate in his fleet."
"Oh yeah?" O'Neill raises his eyebrows. "And how do you know that?"
"The sensors I use make anything you or the Tollan use looks like spyglasses. Stargates are distinctive." I smile. "I guess he learned from last time."
"Damn it. Okay, Carter, get Narim and find out what their evacuation plans are. Teal'c, you're with me. I need to find where Jackson and Skaara got to."
Carter pulls herself out from under the dialling device and O'Neill and Teal'c head out of the bunker at a jog.
"Remember, they're both goa'uld! Stronger than normal humans, and they've probably got hidden weapons!"
Carter picks up her gun and turns to me. "You should probably get going."
"Oh please. I can track the incoming shots, and Apophis doesn't have any particular grudge against me. No, I'll come with you."
"I can handle myself, thanks."
She heads for the exit, and I jog along behind her.
"Yes, because… That peashooter will stop shots from a capital ship plasma cannon…"
"Your personal force field can't protect two people."
Up to the surface and along a boulevard. The Tollan themselves are moving to mustering points or fortified bunkers. Which… If Apophis wants to rescue his son he'll have to land troops eventually, but he can level just about everywhere else first.
BOOM!
Somewhere to the south something takes a hit, and the ground shakes in response.
"You mean that the standard goa'uld personal force field can't protect two people."
She glances back. "And yours can?"
"I could probably protect this city, honestly. For a little while." I smirk. "If there was something in it for me. But that's not really a solution. Left here."
She slows as we come to an intersection. "What?"
"You don't know where he is so you're heading for the Curia building. A building that way has been knocked into the road."
She nods, turns, and starts running again. Interesting. I'd have thought that an aircraft pilot would look up more, even if she's mostly been working as scientist/infantry lately.
BOOM!
The south-west this time. He's hitting… The ion cannons, naturally.
"Did you know that it's possible to build a point defence electrolaser that can cause gou'ald plasma shots to detonate prematurely?"
She actually skips a step, presumably distracted by the idea. "The added electricity-. The plasma containment would fluctuate and.. fail. It wouldn't be any use against staff weapons-."
"You just say that because you keep fighting Jaffa at close range. At medium or long range you can build a counter fire laser system. You'd need a good targetting computer and sensors, but when you already know the origin point the calculations really aren't all that demanding."
"In an atmosphere destabliising shots from a capital ship the explosion would still devastate anything on the surface-."
"Unless you really know what you're doing, and you can make it release most of its energy away from the target." I stop. "Look up."
She looks up-. And her eyes widen at the approaching glow. "Where will it come down?"
"Right here. They were aiming at the Curia building, but…" I wrinkle my nose. "Ha'tak targetting computers aren't that great."
"Then-."
I raise my left hand, supporting it with my right. Calculating…
And fire. First a laser, creating a line of charged particles in the air. Then the electrical energy blasts upwards in a blinding flash!
Shield.
An orange shield construct appears above us as the plasma ball explodes. As the ring's computer calculated, most of the plasma blasts upwards, and what doesn't? That's well within my abilities to stop.
I grin at Major Carter and flash my eyes. "Gaze upon the power of a-."
"You've miniaturized a solar radiation shield!"
"What?" I frown. "No, that's not what's happening at all. Solar radiation shields deflect energy, they're not solid barriers. If you tried using one to stop a capital ship plasma shot the most that would happen is that the explosion would be a little less bright."
I dismiss the construct, the plasma energy having been mostly dispersed. Carter stares at my ring, then up at the sky, probably trying to work out exactly what I just did. Because she's right: a normal shield device couldn't do anything like that.
Then she snaps out of it. "We should get going."
I lower my hand and follow her towards the Curia building. There's a squad of armed soldiers just inside the entrance, and while Carter clearly gets a pass they're looking decidedly less happy to see me. She nods a greeting to one of them. "Narim."
"What happened to that last shot? I didn't think that Earth had energy shield technology."
I smile. "That was me."
He looks at me, clearly feeling awkward. "Then.. you have the gratitude of the Tollan people. Can you stop any more?"
"Sure. How are your guns doing?"
"I don't think you'd ask me if you didn't know the answer."
"Fine. Bastet's ordered me to kill Apophis, but I can do that and then leave and still have done my job. If you want help with his fleet, then I want things in return."
He doesn't look happy, but he keep his expression mostly under control as he nods. "I do not have the authority to agree to anything, but I can relay a request to the Curia very rapidly."
I smile. "Glad to hear it."
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They kinda are.
Or at least they're a kill-a-ha'tak-in-one-or-two-hits.
"Teal'c"
He probably does, if only because you're a Goa'uld that doesn't serve him.
I think most Goa'uld would dislike someone that doesn't serve them.
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Thank you, corrected.
Do you have a reference for that?
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Probably this scene:
View: https://youtu.be/OwE2piwOkKQ?t=150
I've really been enjoying Poa'uld by the way.
Edit: Vaermina brought up a good point, Stargates can't connect within the same solar system so Carter should probably be doing something else, maybe have Apophis connect to the Tollan Stargate to prevent evacuation or a call for help.
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Someone tell Mr Zoat this makes no sense.
It's a well known fact in Stargate that you straight up can't create a wormhole to Stargates in the same solar system.
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Tollan Ion Cannons will pretty much cripple a Ha'tak in one-shot, destroy it in the second and are rapid fire enough that the delay doesn't matter even if the Tollan hadn't built a whole lot of them. There's a reason why the Goa'uld in the episode had to paint the Ion Cannon defense grid with laser targeters first, in order to destroy them all in a single alpha strike
The exception is with Anubis Ha'taks, with their improved shields. Now, considering that a regular Ha'tak can still destroy an Anubis Ha'tak after enough time or with enough of a numbers advantage, yet the Tollan's Ion Cannons did nothing, the fan theory is that Ion Cannons are shield piercers and only have enough fire power to destroy the physical Ha'tak and not batten down the shields of one with brute force and Anubis's upgrades fucked that paradigm all to hell.
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Yeah the Tollan ion cannons completely obliterate Ha'taks, it's why Lya only had to hide one cannon in this episode to ward off Apophis's attack: One cannon was all that was needed.
The ion cannons are a known factor after all, so it's not implausible that Anubis did something specifically to counter them for the ships he sent to Tollana.
They had to reprogram a bunch of gates in order to make the intergalactic Stargate bridge work, and one of the changes involved 'fixing' the Stargate's dialing addresses so that they do not update and altering the programming so that Pegasus gates would not override Milky Way gates.
Carter hacking a Stargate to dial to another Stargate in a ship in orbit is exactly the kind of thing that would happen in a Stargate episode.
It's also possible that ion cannons are simply less effective against whatever shield upgrades Anubis did, kinda like how in Star Trek certain types of weapons are completely ineffectual against shields that have been adjusted specifically to counter those weapons.
The ion cannons are a known factor after all, so it's not implausible that Anubis did something specifically to counter them for the ships he sent to Tollana.
You absolutely can, it just requires fucking with the system. By default it doesn't work, but it's a software limitation, not a hardware one. Indeed they do this multiple times throughout the series after they figure out it is possible with the Antarctic gate.
They had to reprogram a bunch of gates in order to make the intergalactic Stargate bridge work, and one of the changes involved 'fixing' the Stargate's dialing addresses so that they do not update and altering the programming so that Pegasus gates would not override Milky Way gates.
Carter hacking a Stargate to dial to another Stargate in a ship in orbit is exactly the kind of thing that would happen in a Stargate episode.
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Well, at least they're sensible on one front: Security through properly paranoid defences. I expect the bunker is laden with energy point defence guns. Sadly, most ships don't carry a full stargate as standard so Carter's wasting her time unless she's trying to hack into its ring teleporters...
(And they apparently can't dial within the same system anyway.)Yes, he'd be a bit wary of a bright orange 'projectile' launching from the surface, and the shields probably interfere with transitions.
Presumably concentrated fire would pummel smaller capital ships easily enough. Anything smaller, well...
About what I'd expect of him. using his underlings as shields. and they probably consider it an honour.
Besides, that means pulling a gate from a planet somewhere, usually.
Let's hope that they're in safe places. Artillery barrages from space aren't the most gentle of weather.
Oh, Mammon has many hidden weapons... Or rather, something that's as good as an entire arsenal and then some.
Can you handle a plasma bolt the size of a hatchback? No need to be so hostile, Carter...
It's not like Apophis needs to land troops before the Tollan surrender. Which he expects them to, given his targets.
Especially since he won't necessarily know where he is. So those Jafar troops will have to sweep every facility looking for him. Or interrogate any fancy-looking folks.
Better get a move on, folks. That sounded nasty.
Though it would risk showing off more of your capabilities than you'd like.
To be fair, he's probably in a secure site somewhere nearby, if they have all their government facilities clustered together.
Well, outside of death-gliders, Goa'uld don't have much in-atmosphere air-power. So why worry about the skies when the enemy tend to come at ground level.
A bit late here, but the Tollan might find that useful later. I'm sure they'll pay through the nose for it if he offers it nicely.
And if it's compact enough, you could attach it to a small drone... Well, once they become compact enough.
After all, lasers have impressive range in atmosphere, even with attenuation and nothing says you have to shoot the bolts when they're way too close. Lightning can travel dozens of miles in a split second.
Well, any other time, this would be an ad-break cliffhanger for the show...
No doubt both sides are going to be very curious about the cause of that...
Confidence. Always helpful, especially when backed by a desire to not die.
Love how she completely ignores the gravitas of the moment. Though I can see the resemblance in visual effects.
A necessary reveal, since he was at risk as well. Love his annoyance at her misunderstanding, too. Would be amusing if she realised his Ring is a focus of whatever he did, or makes a random connection to Green Lantern comics.
Lucky they found him first try. Imagine having to talk their way up a chain of officers of increasing rank.
A rare moment when a Goa'uld has better tech than a Tollan, eh? Or at least so they believe.
True, but it's good to establish a starting point for negotiations.
No doubt they'll pass any needed payments in record time, given the urgency of the situation.
Well, about what was expected. Mammon is going to have to move rather carefully to ensure hi doesn't expose all his wonderful tricks while involving himself in the planet's defence. On the upside, the Tollan leaderships is likely to be very amenable to nearly any price he asks. And then Apophis will be finding himself having difficulties...
She slows as we come to an intersection. "What?"
I'd have thought that an aircraft pilot...
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Name one time it's done.
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The McKay-Carter intergalactic gate bridge, which is made up of a series of paired Stargates on space stations that automatically forward their gate buffers to each other in sequence using a macro.
e: There's also the Destiny's gate, which has a maximum range of only a couple of lightyears at best, further proving that the limitation is software, not hardware.
And messing with Stargate software to get them to do things they aren't supposed to do is Carter's hat.
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I thought he normally disguised his Ring under a construct of a Kara kesh, no? Not that I think SG1 has any chance of understanding what it is or getting it from him, but still, better that they think he has something special in his Goa'uld standard swiss knife that they become aware he has a unique and distinctive artifact, I would imagine.
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There was only one set of paired gates there and that was at the center station where it linked the Pegasus and Milky Way gates.
The basic thing that they did was take a ton of space gates (Taken from empty planets, at least supposedly) to make a chain at near max distance between them, having them get enough range that they could just dial to the station using the Pegasus ones, then dial to Earth or wherever in the Milky Way for the next stage of the trip, meaning no need for a ZPM for relatively quick travel between galaxies
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I thought the stop-off in the middle was added as a quarantine thing part-way through, but even if so there's still the Destiny which is routinely implied to be dialing Stargates in the same star system that it is currently hanging out in, proving that it's a software limitation, not hardware.
In fact I'm pretty sure in one episode they straight up state that the Destiny has left the star system they're in and moved on to the next one, and they need to mess with the gate on the planet in order to get back to the Destiny because the Destiny's gates are so limited in range by default.
e: "Carter is trying to make a Stargate do something it is not supposed to be able to do." seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to be happening under the circumstances, especially since we don't even know if she'd have succeeded or not. Maybe you're right and it is actually impossible and she would have failed, we don't know, all we know is that she was trying.
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Nope, it was part of the thing where the Lucians started appearing in SG1 because a few of the worlds they'd been using for stockpiles had their gates looted for the project.
The center is also a quarantine, but the thing is that without the 8th symbol, they can only connect to the same system, and each galaxy has it's own system...and each system has a key location which is Earth for the Milky Way, and it was Atlantis in Pegasus, but Atlantis left the galaxy so who knows.
Destiny's gates were also more of ones where they didn't have the next system a gate would be dropped off in set up, probably with a dial out from it needed for the network update, plus they wouldn't know the address it would have until it was active.
Destiny was also using a different system for it's gates as it went.
But the basic idea for the gate project the SGC did was due to gates having a connection range through the network for communication, so as long as one other gate was within range, the rest of that specific network was within range, so they used ships to daisy chain them from worlds they believed to be unused (And if some of the other material is true, to also hide a few planets and things for fallback positions if the network was compromised that had other communications options
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Let's say in this timeline since Apophis wasn't attacked by Bastet and Kali his original forces were not as depleted when he added the fleets of Sokar to his own.
Let's also say the few warships he had operational as the brother of Ra were of better quality than the ones Sokar mass produced. Thus in this episode Apophis is using his original less numerous almost Ra standard warships to tank the Ion cannons, while the Sokar standard fleets were left in his territory taking over the defense duties his original fleet had.
Plot hole fixed and you don't have to change a single thing @Mr Zoat
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I distinctly recall that the issue was not that the gates had their own system, but rather that the Pegasus gates automatically overrode the Milky Way gates due to being newer models, and the software automatically prioritized them. McKay mentions having to hack the programming to make it so that the Milky Way gate in the middle-station is usable, as otherwise everything would always route to the Pegasus gate.
And a quick check says that in "Enemy at the Gate" we see two Pegasus gates in the Milky Way dial planets within the Milky Way, so the gates are completely cross-compatible.
The word "range" is very repeatedly used in regards to the Destiny's gate; it can receive incoming gates from anywhere in the universe that use the 9 chevron address and have enough power to cross the distance, but the Destiny's gate itself only has a very short range. This is said explicitly in "Lost" where Riley states that the Stargate model used on Destiny is a more primitive version of the ones used in the Milky Way. Every time Destiny drops out of FTL, rather than being able to dial any Stargate within a galaxy, only a handful can be reached as long as it is in range; the next time the ship stops, it will already be out of range of the planet that the others are stranded on.
It also comes up a few times that the Destiny's Stargate can dial gates in the Milky Way, it just needs absolutely massive amounts of power to do so, which can only be acquired from docking with Seed Ships.
Because the Destiny was moving it did need to recalculate gate addresses every time it dropped out of FTL, but the computer does that automatically when it drops out of FTL so it's not an issue.
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Thank you. It looked to me like that Ha'tak had its shields down before the shot hit. Assume that Apophis had his up. If that doesn't satisfy you, assume that Sokar improved the shield design.
Ancient stargates can't dial the same system by default. Tollans build their own.
Thank you, corrected.
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Though the Tollan are less advanced than the Ancients.
Granted, they could have decided to do something differently that allowed it to dial in the same system.
Plus, if I remember correctly, Narim mentioned that the Nox helped them make it, so maybe they figured out a way for that to work.
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"he managed"
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Destiny's stargtate's could cover a fifth of the galaxy.
Someone tell Mr Zoat that the Tollan Ion canons passing through shields was the entire point of the weapon...
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That makes a lot of sense in the context of things as it'd make no sense for the Ha'tak to have shields down in a battle scenario.
View: https://youtu.be/OwE2piwOkKQ?si=pWlCZGjeVoGFA2Aa&t=139
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He didn't. For regular Ha'taks, he made a Ha'tak scale cloaking device, but the majority of any upgrades Sokar had planned went into an entirely new model of mothership that's still in its prototyping phase.
The standard theory for why we don't see shields, either then or when Klorel got shot down in the first place, and why Anubis's Ha'taks could ignore Ion Cannon fire is because they are so supposed to be shield piercers that could ignore standard Goa'uld shields but not Anubis shields with his Ancient modifications.
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They had help from the Nox in the gates construction, possibly some input from the Tok'ra as well on how the gates OS worked.
Honestly this was the biggest missed opportunity for the SGC, have the Tollan construct gates to replace the ones on worlds they already explored/liberated from the gou'ald.
Cut the worlds off from the gou'ald network with only a select few gates from off the Tollan network allowed access to it such as earth.
Not sure if they'd go for it given the whole not give tech to less developed worlds but since those worlds already have gates...
[after defrosting a random ancient hidden on some random world]
"Ah you somehow gained possession of a power ring, I was unaware they made them in orange now."
"You know what this is?"
"Oh yes the Furling's had constructed a half dozen of them though it had some limitations.
something about daily recharging times and a vulnerability to certain colors of the spectrum.
If not for the difficulty and prohibitively resource intensive process of constructing them creating a rather insurmountable bottleneck we would have adopted the technology as well."
"The furlings were Malthusian?"
"Whats a Malthusian, I have been out of circulation for a bit you know."