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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

[after defrosting a random ancient hidden on some random world]
"Ah you somehow gained possession of a power ring, I was unaware they made them in orange now."

"You know what this is?"

"Oh yes the Furling's had constructed a half dozen of them though it had some limitations.
something about daily recharging times and a vulnerability to certain colors of the spectrum.
If not for the difficulty and prohibitively resource intensive process of constructing them creating a rather insurmountable bottleneck we would have adopted the technology as well."

"The furlings were Malthusian?"

"Whats a Malthusian, I have been out of circulation for a bit you know
That would be an interesting thing to happen.

I remember reading a fanfic where the Maltusians were a group of Gallifreyans that rejected the rest of their kinds use of time travel, so they went to the DC universe.
 
He's telling a story. That's intentional, even if it's not good grammar.
That makes a lot of sense in the context of things as it'd make no sense for the Ha'tak to have shields down in a battle scenario.
Klorel's sponsor wasn't expecting a battle. As far as he knew, he'd already destroyed all of their defences.
He didn't. For regular Ha'taks, he made a Ha'tak scale cloaking device, but the majority of any upgrades Sokar had planned went into an entirely new model of mothership that's still in its prototyping phase.
In the original timeline, certainly.
The standard theory for why we don't see shields, either then or when Klorel got shot down in the first place, and why Anubis's Ha'taks could ignore Ion Cannon fire is because they are so supposed to be shield piercers that could ignore standard Goa'uld shields but not Anubis shields with his Ancient modifications.
If your shield can't stop ions, you need to go back to shield school.
 
If your shield can't stop ions, you need to go back to shield school.
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In the original timeline, certainly.
You know, you could just have Paul be wrong instead of changing the timeline to make him right.

Because changing the timeline involves a lot of knock on effects you'll then have to deal with if you want to avoid plotholes.

If your shield can't stop ions, you need to go back to shield school.
Then the Goa'uld need to go back to shield school, because that was the on screen reason that was given for how the Tollan's ion weapons were effective.
 
If your shield can't stop ions, you need to go back to shield school
Then maybe there is an additional component in the energy blast from a tollan ion cannon, besides the ionized particles, that enables them to pierce normal Ha'tak shields.
Or, while not the usual definition of an ion cannon; the weapon might not actually fire ions, but some other exotic particles/energy, and the "ion" in its name comes from a process in the weapon that uses ions in its function. Making the weapon more of a "ion powered" cannon, or somesuch.

I do not recall any exact technobabble from the episode (and currently unable to watch it for reference), so my speculation might not line up to what is actually said about the weapons in canon.
 
Anarkic (part 18) New
2nd May 2013
08:29 GMT -6


"This is fascinating."

Dr. Metcalf is using… Some sort of scanner to study the samples of Mr. Blank's blood, before and after his change. While I don't really respect his motives for becoming a superhero, he is a technological genius. I'm honestly not sure if the scanner is something he developed himself or if it's on indefinite loan from Arnus, but it looks like it should do the job.

"I think you're right about it being a receiver for broadcast energy. Did your ring detect what form the energy took?"

I shake my head. "I was being jammed pretty hard while he was in fighting condition. And it's possible that the presence of the energy was the thing jamming me, so I might not be able to detect it directly at all."

He looks around, smiling. "I guess it's not something simple like muons, then."

"Muons aren't a problem. Phased, dimensionally exotic muon-like particles, maybe?" I shrug. "There are a few known ways to throw power rings off, and I did what I could to eliminate them as a cause… Which is why I'm here."

"Thanks for the vote of confidence, but super-advanced biotech isn't something I can reverse engineer in a lunch break. This is going to take some time."

I shrug. "I don't think this is going to be resolved quickly. Let me know if…" I frown. "Ah, as far as you can tell, should having this in a person's blood have any effect on their memory?"

"It's…" He shakes his head. "Memories are-. Hm." He looks slightly amused. "It used to be I'd say that memories are encoded in the structure of our neural networks, but I suppose I have to take magic into account these days. Perhaps you can shed some light on that for me: where's the line between the brain and the soul?"

"For most people or for me?"

"Either. Both, preferably."

"For me, as far as I can tell, I do so much of my thinking with the part of me that is orange light, I can literally have my entire body destroyed without it altering my cognition. The only real difference is that I need an arcane medium to exist in."

"What happens if you don't have one?"

"I don't experience anything. Or at least, I didn't remember having experienced anything once I got a body again. It might be that what I experienced is so different from normal human existence that I can't process it." I shrug. "Or it might be that without a body I lacked purpose, so only existed in potentia."

"And when you do have a medium?"

"I take the form of a flying orange snake. A miniature version of the Ophidian. The problem is that I have no innate way to regain corporeality. Not that I've… Spent a lot of time practicing."

He nods thoughtfully. "And for everyone else?"

"By default, souls lose vitality. There are ways around that: if you're a monotheist the system handles that, but otherwise you need to arrange things ahead of time or there won't be enough 'you' to really experience things. Lord Hades shares a little of the power of Erebos with all of the dead who enter his realm, and from what the inhabitants told me there's a small gap between them dying and them coming to in the Underworld."

"And reincarnation?"

"I didn't ask Lord Hades about the Hellenistic version because it doesn't interest me. But there's no real reason why you can't stick a soul into something new; it's just a bundle of magic energy."

"But how much is carried over, and how much gets lost with the brain?"

"Souls don't encode memories well. It's more… Patterns of thought and behaviour that get carried over. If you interacted with someone and then much later interacted with their reincarnation, you'd notice the similarities in how they dealt with situations, but they wouldn't know you. At most, they might think that the process of interacting with you felt familiar."

"But patterns of activation are just another part of the brain favoring particular…" He frowns. "Could that be stored on both as a form of redundancy?"

"I'm not sure that the two are as separate as you're implying. I-."

Incoming message from LexCorp.

"
I.. have to take this call. If you're really interested in the subject, I suggest asking Aquaman to put you in contact with specialists in Atlantis once we get back into contact."

"I think that I will. Thank you for bringing me this puzzle."

I

step out, reappearing

directly above Dakota City. Alva actually managed to become the City Boss when the places was infected with the Anti-Life. Not a lot changed, apparently. I barely remember the animated series Static Shock, but there's a young Virgil Hawkins down there somewhere. I wonder if everything that's happened will prevent the whole 'Bang Babies' thing from occurring? The sensible thing to do would be to just snipe Alva here and now, but…

I don't want to be that person.

"Answer."

A glowing construct of Dr. Cochin appears before me.

"Orange Lantern, I am pleased to report that Enginehead is back with us and has consented to speak with you. Please, come to the laboratory as soon as possible."

"Is he alright?"

"A little shaken, but he's in one piece. And there's no spyware in his system; we tested that thoroughly."

I nod, looking for the patterns of desire that mark an enlightened… Oh. I can't see him. Fortunately, I remember what the other scientists look like.

Al

2nd May 2013
09:33 GMT -5


right then.

Dr. Cochin has a sharp intake of breath as I appear, but relaxes almost immediately afterwards. Enginehead's duplicate of Lex Luthor's face is on a nearby monitor and the other scientists are triple checking things in the background.

"Enginehead, good to see you up and running again."

"Being kidnapped was a novel experience, and one that I hope never to go through again. Likewise, I assumed that my nature would render me impervious to having my mind read."

"Are you willing to talk about it?"

"Certainly. That… Anarky is a menace and needs to be stopped."

"What part of LexCorp's operations did he interrogate you about?"

He looks puzzled. "I'm sorry?"

"I assume that's what he wanted from you? Or was he just learning about A.I.s in general?"

"Oh, no. Neither. He wanted information on the Justice League."
 
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"I think you're right about if being a receiver for broadcast energy. Did your ring detect what form the energy took?"
That should say 'it'.

"What part of LexCorp's operations did he interrogate you about?"

He looks puzzled. "I'm sorry?"

"I assume that's what he wanted from you? Or was he just learning about A.I.s in general?"

"Oh, no. Neither. He wanted information on the Justice League."
So he's come to the false conclusion that the Justice League has taken over like the Authority did in that one storyline?
 
Not that I've… Spend a

"Spent"

I wonder if everything that's happened will prevent the whole 'Bang Babies' thing from occurring

Well it may prevent that, but not necessarily a visit from the stars.

He wanted information on the Justice League."

Makes sense.

Anarky is against what he views as being tyranny, and the League are more or less the undisputed leaders of the world.

And getting access to any worthwhile bases is beyond him.
 
Oh. I can't see him. Fortunately, I remember what the other scientists look like.

Al

2nd May 2013
09:33 GMT -5


right then.

Dr. Cochin has a sharp intake of breath as I appear, but relaxes almost immediately afterwards.
Looks like him copying enlightenment isn't permanent, and getting it back is a shock to the system.
 
Given all signs point to Brother Eye being active and online, it might not be a false conclusion.
More likely he mistook the actions of another group or multiple groups (the GPA, Checkmate, SHADE, and/or the Light, depending on which ones he found and which ones are active) as the actions of the Justice League.
 
2nd May 2013
08:29 GMT -6


"This is fascinating."

Dr. Metcalf is using… Some sort of scanner to study the samples of Mr. Blank's blood, before and after his change. While I don't really respect his motives for becoming a superhero, he is a technological genius. I'm honestly not sure if the scanner is something he developed himself or if it's on indefinite loan from Arnus, but it looks like it should do the job.
Metcalf, Metcalf... Ah, yes, the tech-genius Hardware. The Arnus reference proved the subtle hint needed to jog my memory. I wonder if the OMAC nanites would even show up as different to normal blood cells without their primary broadcast energy source, as some manner of concealment...

"I think you're right about it being a receiver for broadcast energy. Did your ring detect what form the energy took?"

I shake my head. "I was being jammed pretty hard while he was in fighting condition. And it's possible that the presence of the energy was the thing jamming me, so I might not be able to detect it directly at all."
That's awfully convenient, but entirely possible for Earth Bullshit™. Especially if there's any kind of temporal or dimensional crossovers involved.

He looks around, smiling. "I guess it's not something simple like muons, then."

"Muons aren't a problem. Phased, dimensionally exotic muon-like particles, maybe?" I shrug. "There are a few known ways to throw power rings off, and I did what I could to eliminate them as a cause… Which is why I'm here."
Muons, huh? Beyond my science knowledge, but probably elementary stuff for Maltusian tech.

"Thanks for the vote of confidence, but super-advanced biotech isn't something I can reverse engineer in a lunch break. This is going to take some time."

I shrug. "I don't think this is going to be resolved quickly. Let me know if…" I frown. "Ah, as far as you can tell, should having this in a person's blood have any affect on their memory?"
The memory thing is probably something else. GPA Mindwipes to provide a blank-slate person to serve as their agent, most likely.

"It's…" He shakes his head. "Memories are-. Hm." He looks slightly amused. "It used to be I'd say that memories are encoded in the structure of our neural networks, but I suppose I have to take magic into account these days. Perhaps you can shed some light on that for me: where's the line between the brain and the soul?"
Given their nanites are already in him, it's probably easy to reconfigure his memory neurons to whatever they want, or burn them out outright in the case of him being compromised or captured by 'hostiles'..

"For most people or for me?"

"Either. Both, preferably."
Good qualifier, since OL is anything but factory-standard human.

"For me, as far as I can tell, I do so much of my thinking with the part of me that is orange light, I can literally have my entire body destroyed without it altering my cognition. The only real difference is that I need an arcane medium to exist in."

"What happens if you don't have one?"
Ironic that he doesn't consider that a problem. Then again, he probably doesn't want to think about the matter...

"I don't experience anything. Or at least, I didn't remember having experienced anything once I got a body again. It might be that what I experienced is so different from normal human existence that I can't process it." I shrug. "Or it might be that without a body I lacked purpose, so only existed in potentia."
Seems logical. Purpose comes from the Spectrum, and that only really exists within a living form, arcane or material.

"And when you do have a medium?"

"I take the form of a flying orange snake. A miniature version of the Ophidian. The problem is that I have no innate way to regain corporeality. Not that I've… Spent a lot of time practicing."

He nods thoughtfully. "And for everyone else?"
To be fair, would you really want to have to try practising being a Spectrum ghost?

"By default, souls lose vitality. There are ways around that: if you're a monotheist the system handles that, but otherwise you need to arrange things ahead of time or there won't be enough 'you' to really experience things. Lord Hades shares a little of the power of Erebos with all of the dead who enter his realm, and from what the inhabitants told me there's a small gap between them dying and them coming to in the Underworld."
And thus a little of themselves is lost. explains the ethereal and forgetful nature of the shades.

"And reincarnation?"

"I didn't ask Lord Hades about the Hellenistic version because it doesn't interest me. But there's no real reason why you can't stick a soul into something new; it's just a bundle of magic energy."
And yes, hellenic faiths do have a form of Reincarnation: Metempsychosis.

"But how much is carried over, and how much gets lost with the brain?"

"Souls don't encode memories well. It's more… Patterns of thought and behaviour that get carried over. If you interacted with someone and then much later interacted with their reincarnation, you'd notice the similarities in how they dealt with situations, but they wouldn't know you. At most, they might think that the process of interacting with you felt familiar."
Which is where deja vu comes from, in some part. At least within this sort of metaphysical ecology.

"But patterns of activation are just another part of the brain favoring particular…" He frowns. "Could that be stored on both as a form of redundancy?"

"I'm not sure that the two are as separate as you're implying. I-."
Knowing hypercognitives, he's probably going to poke at the concept a bit, set it aside, then have a moment down the line after everything lines up...

Incoming message from LexCorp.

"
I.. have to take this call. If you're really interested in the subject, I suggest asking Aquaman to put you in contact with specialists in Atlantis once we get back into contact."

"I think that I will. Thank you for bringing me this puzzle."
And I don't doubt he's serious about that. He comes across as the sort of man who likes having puzzles to solve, whatever the impact on the world.

I

step out, reappearing

directly above Dakota City. Alva actually managed to become the City Boss when the places was infected with the Anti-Life. Not a lot changed, apparently. I barely remember the animated series Static Shock, but there's a young Virgil Hawkins down there somewhere. I wonder if everything that's happened will prevent the whole 'Bang Babies' thing from occurring? The sensible thing to do would be to just snipe Alva here and now, but…
What if someone worse takes over, of course?

I don't want to be that person.

"Answer."
Yeah, pre-emptively terminating someone for something they haven't done yet and may never do now is probably just a bit high on the 'Superman wouldn't like that' scale.

A glowing construct of Dr. Cochin appears before me.

"Orange Lantern, I am pleased to report that Enginehead is back with us and has consented to speak with you. Please, come to the laboratory as soon as possible."
Ah, good. One more loose end to tie off.

"Is he alright?"

"A little shaken, but he's in one piece. And there's no spyware in his system; we tested that thoroughly."
I wonder what that would feel like to Enginehead. Something tickling inside his metaphorical brain, whispering to him? Or a sense of someone just sitting over his shoulder, watching...

I nod, looking for the patterns of desire that mark an enlightened… Oh. I can't see him. Fortunately, I remember what the other scientists look like.

Al
Okay, looks like Cochin isn't retaining Enlightenment when OL isn't around. Have to wonder if he remembers the shift in his thought patterns and whether he'd try to make it a permanent thing...

2nd May 2013
09:33 GMT -5


right then.

Dr. Cochin has a sharp intake of breath as I appear, but relaxes almost immediately afterwards. Enginehead's duplicate of Lex Luthor's face is on a nearby monitor and the other scientists are triple checking things in the background.
And there he is snapping back to Enlightened. BE interesting to see OL get curious and look at his desire history within the Honden... See it turn on and off like a switch

"Enginehead, good to see you up and running again."

"Being kidnapped was a novel experience, and one that I hope never to go through again. Likewise, I assumed that my nature would render me impervious to having my mind read."
It's not as easy as simply going through millions of lines of plain-text files, of course. Human brains aren't organised like that, why would his be?

"Are you willing to talk about it?"

"Certainly. That… Anarky is a menace and needs to be stopped."
Picking up a little of Lex's dislike of superhumans, I see. He's got reason to, at least, given the kidnapping.

"What part of LexCorp's operations did he interrogate you about?"

He looks puzzled. "I'm sorry?"
I mean, it is a fair assumption that's why he did it. The kid probably assumes Lex is up to no good somehow.

"I assume that's what he wanted from you? Or was he just learning about A.I.s in general?"

"Oh, no. Neither. He wanted information on the Justice League."
Oh, boy. Since they're more or less in charge of things right now...

All righty, then. Looks like Anarky seems to have developed a focus on the League, presumably because they are the strongest authorities right now. And with his no-doubt-skewed view of anarchist philosophy, they would be the biggest target of his ire. Hopefully, he doesn't jump to lashing out against League-affiliated assets. The world is having a hard enough time as it is...
 
What was Cochin's working radius? And is it a hard cut-off, or a gradual thing with distance? Would cloned Cochins act like relays, increasing the effective radius? And what happens if there's a precog in the mix, each instance always able to see the short term future of their immediate surroundings? Which instance would take precedence? (I'm reminded of a mid-season episode of Kamen Rider Zi-O.)

Oh, and when was the last time Paul interacted with Manchester Black?
 
I just remembered that when Apophis attacked Earth, he didn't bother raising his Ha'tak's shields until the nuclear missiles were just about to hit him. The ion cannon shot is far faster.
 
I just remembered that when Apophis attacked Earth, he didn't bother raising his Ha'tak's shields until the nuclear missiles were just about to hit him. The ion cannon shot is far faster.
With his attack, he didn't think Earth really had anything that could actually hit him.

The Tollan might have things other than those guns...
 
Paul certainly scanned him and I think he paid for mental defense lessons from Manchester when he needed to get his mind shields to be Megan Proof, but beyond those two things Paul hasn't interacted with him.
 
Fricking English.
The Tollan might have things other than those guns...
They might, but Zipacna's people had plenty of time to check for things that could be deployed quickly.
Paul certainly scanned him and I think he paid for mental defense lessons from Manchester when he needed to get his mind shields to be Megan Proof, but beyond those two things Paul hasn't interacted with him.
No, the SI got his lessons from Brainwave.
 
I just remembered that when Apophis attacked Earth, he didn't bother raising his Ha'tak's shields until the nuclear missiles were just about to hit him. The ion cannon shot is far faster.
Earth was a primitive world that wasn't expected to have even the slightest ability to resist. And it happened very early on, when Apophis hadn't had his arse kicked multiple times due to his own arrogance.

They might, but Zipacna's people had plenty of time to check for things that could be deployed quickly.
Assuming such things were visible to the naked eye. Or whatever sensors they were confident the Tollans, who have better tech in most regards, wouldn't detect and or block. And assuming the people Apophis sent could recognise what was a weapon or weaponizable tool that could be deployed quickly, despite not understanding Tollan technology.
 
The SI has deliberately not been paying too much attention to what Batman has been up to. In the aftermath of Antilife, Batman has a power ring, an assload of Apokoliptian technology laying around, and a justified paranoia of his teammates messig with his mind for what they view as the greater good.

Brother Eye, ho.
 
The SI has deliberately not been paying too much attention to what Batman has been up to. In the aftermath of Antilife, Batman has a power ring, an assload of Apokoliptian technology laying around, and a justified paranoia of his teammates messig with his mind for what they view as the greater good.

Brother Eye, ho.
If that is the case, then maybe it's time Paul explained some of the things he's "seen in other universes". Of course, this is assuming Paul actually remembers the fact that in some of the comics, Batman created Brother Eye and it ended up becoming sentient and evil.
 
Assuming such things were visible to the naked eye. Or whatever sensors they were confident the Tollans, who have better tech in most regards, wouldn't detect and or block. And assuming the people Apophis sent could recognise what was a weapon or weaponizable tool that could be deployed quickly, despite not understanding Tollan technology.

There are, indeed, all assumptions Apophis would make.
 

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