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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Mr Zoat said:
It's really like watching two gang members from a country you know nothing about stabbing each other, and taking the gun off the corpse of the loser so that the winner can't have it. Yeah, maybe one of them was in the moral right and the other was in the wrong, but you know nothing about them or their culture and removing the weapon is probably the most sensible thing you can do without spending a lot of time on it.
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How would he know they are gang members and not a serial killer killing its latest victim...

Also did the local Paul really take a planet crystal flavored in the orange light as a power source? Aren't the cats going to explain that is the soul of the representation of a whole fucking planet and that its flavor heavily implies is from a planet that harbours life capable of complex though (flavored towards Greed so likely not really nice people, but people nonetheless), our Paul has gotten involved in another genocide of a sapient species (He can't keep getting away with it), either by taking the equivalent of an ark loaded with all the souls of a destroyed planet (galacia is involved so fairly likely) or by leaving said planet to slowly die now that its soul has been removed from its proximity.
 
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WereDragon said:
I can only assume Paul is for some reason very fed up with the situation and is being slopy and abrasive as a result.
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Probably pissed because the minor shard of a chaos god almost killed his ass and he got saved by teenagers wearing mini skirts...

Or maybe he still thinks Sandro did most of the work?

Makes sense, this Paul didn't benefit from that famous VS thread that had the Sailor Scouts dropped in Warhammer 40k that had as a result memetically spread the ridiculous fire power of magical girls and how Usagi upstages the emperor of man.
 
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Darko said:
"woman"
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Thank you, corrected.
Chaoswind said:
How would he know they are gang members and not a serial killer killing its latest victim...
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Oh, he doesn't. Correctly identifying the moral party -if one exists- if a fight you know nothing about can be very complicated and time consuming.
Also did the local Paul really take a planet crystal flavored in the orange light as a power source?
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Pretty much.
Aren't the cats going to explain that is the soul of the representation of a whole fucking planet and that its flavor heavily implies is from a planet that harbours life capable of complex though (flavored towards Greed so likely not really nice people, but people nonetheless), our Paul has gotten involved in another genocide of a sapient species (He can't keep getting away with it), either by taking the equivalent of an ark loaded with all the souls of a destroyed planet (galacia is involved so fairly likely) or by leaving said planet to slowly die now that its soul has been removed from its proximity.
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They're probably going to get around to that eventually.
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Or maybe he still thinks Sandro did most of the work?
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He did. Out of universe we know that he didn't have to, but the technique they used assumed only that they'd be using the SIlver Crystal as a power source.
Makes sense, this Paul didn't benefit from that famous VS thread that had the Sailor Scouts dropped in Warhammer 40k that had as a result memetically spread the ridiculous fire power of magical girls and how Usagi upstages the emperor of man.
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Yes, because that sounds stupid. If they ended up in 40K all their powers would stop working or mainline chaos because the Galaxy Cauldron doesn't exist there. The Emperor would (using the Horus Heresy characteristation) love something like that to have been possible in his setting. It didn't happen because it wasn't.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Yes, because that sounds stupid. If they ended up in 40K all their powers would stop working or mainline chaos because the Galaxy Cauldron doesn't exist there. The Emperor would (using the Horus Heresy characteristation) love something like that to have been possible in his setting. It didn't happen because it wasn't
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The local galaxy cauldron would be the entire warp thus the gods in miniskirt would use their unlimited purification powers nested on their starseeds/souls (that already have a feat of purification that eats the Chaos gods lunch) to return it to factory settings aka pre war on heaven and then install their preferred OS.
 
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Mr Zoat said:
It's really like watching two gang members from a country you know nothing about stabbing each other, and taking the gun off the corpse of the loser so that the winner can't have it. Yeah, maybe one of them was in the moral right and the other was in the wrong, but you know nothing about them or their culture and removing the weapon is probably the most sensible thing you can do without spending a lot of time on it.
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Wait, so is the crystal sentient or not? You're implying that it isn't, but everyone else in the thread thinks it is? So which is it, then?

Vaermina said:
If Zoat was being at all truthful to the setting the next minute would involve Galaxia teleporting right next to them and killing everyone.

Because that's the level of "you've fucked up" that this represents.
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Maybe not. Would she even know where he is? Does she have an ability that would let her trace back someone's teleportation to the source? Because if not, then as far as Galaxia knows, Paul could be literally anywhere in the universe.


Vaermina said:
Yup, he's basically torturing a Guardian's soul so he can use it as a power source for his ring.

A soul which Usagi could turn back into an actual person.
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How do we know that recharging from the soul is actually hurting it, though?

In fact, are they even still sentient in that state?

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If you don't know anything about them or their culture you can't know that they're gang members.
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To be fair, there's a lot of street gangs in real life who love to wear their uniforms or distinctive colors in public to show their affiliation, so if they're infamous enough, one could easily identity them by looking at what they're wearing.
 
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Mr Zoat said:
Thank you, corrected.

It's really like watching two gang members from a country you know nothing about stabbing each other, and taking the gun off the corpse of the loser so that the winner can't have it. Yeah, maybe one of them was in the moral right and the other was in the wrong, but you know nothing about them or their culture and removing the weapon is probably the most sensible thing you can do without spending a lot of time on it.

Because it takes ages and it's low quality anyway. Oh, and he was this version of himself suck on dark energy until he turned into a demon, so his support is a little less than 100%.
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I mean, you say that but Paul's first thought upon seeing them was:
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To where a woman… In a golden costume that looks a bit like what the Guardians wear fires an energy blast at another young woman. Her target disintegrates almost immediately, a crystal… Smaller than the Silver Crystal and orange in colour falls to the ground.
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By all indications, he just saw someone dressed like the same superheroes he was helping to save their world a moment ago killing someone else, a young woman, (Which is what the other Guardians have been referred to as by the narration, at least when they weren't being referred to as strippers. Did the victim he watched disintegrate also look like she was 14?) dressed the same way. As you said, Paul doesn't know who had the moral right or wrong in that, but if they're "gang members from a country he knows nothing about" the kid superheroes desperately trying to save their world he almost died to help a little while ago were clearly part of the same gang.

If he came across a Green Lantern suddenly killing another Green Lantern, without explanation for what happened, would he just say "Splendid", steal the victim's power battery and ring to give to someone else and then leave without investigating or telling that someone else where it came from? It still feels callous and irresponsible. Moreso than usual, for Paul.
 
CrazyNoVa said:
Wait, so is the crystal sentient or not? You're implying that it isn't, but everyone else in the thread thinks it is? So which is it, then?
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So far as the SI knows, the crystal isn't sentient.
Maybe not. Would she even know where he is? Does she have an ability that would let her trace back someone's teleportation to the source? Because if not, then as far as Galaxia knows, Paul could be literally anywhere in the universe.
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The SI has been immune to magic-based detection for a while.
JeckJack said:
If he came across a Green Lantern suddenly killing another Green Lantern, without explanation for what happened, would he just say "Splendid", steal the victim's power battery and ring to give to someone else and then leave without investigating or telling that someone else where it came from? It still feels callous and irresponsible. Moreso than usual, for Paul.
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Two currently serving members of the Green Lantern Corps killed and ate their predecessors.
 
I'm pretty used to Paul making snap judgements about characters and universes and their actions, so I guess this is all more or less on brand.

I do think in this case his limited knowledge of the Sailor Moon series might be making things worse than if he knew nothing at all. Even an idea like Luna "gave" Usagi powers is a "saw a few episodes, vaguely remember the beginning of the series" thing. Pretty sure that if neither the Luna or the Dark Kingdom had shown up, Usagi would eventually start manifesting various abilities. (And the same for the rest of them.)
 
CrazyNoVa said:
Okay, fair enough. But do the Sailor Scouts and their cats know about it?

If so, then I guess it's a good thing, because then they can tell him.
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Would they?

OG Paul and his crew certainly helped them, but his party members are a high tier demon, a powerful lich and as far as they know he just teleported, murdered the corporeal manifestation of a planet full of sapient life just to give a power source to another version of him that ended up becoming a youma for eating too much dark energy.

The cats will probably explain things, but not when Paul and his crew are around.
 
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