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That was destroyed in the Angel arc that killed the MC.
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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)
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Technically true... But this also means now we can talk about the time Orange Lantern's stupidity doomed an entire universe.
The Sailor Scout transformation protects against Mind Control, Corruption, Environmental Effects, Transformation, Baleful Reality Alteration, and Damage as a standard.
The only way to overcome that protection is by having more power then the Sailor Scout you're fighting.
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Technically true... But this also means now we can talk about the time Orange Lantern's stupidity doomed an entire universe.
So, Mr. Frundles logic, then?
Okay, fair enough. So that leaves the abilities that work even on foes who are more powerful than you, which are:
* Getting your desires shredded.
* Exotic non-magical weaponry (antimatter, crumbler rounds, x-ionised weaponry).
* The sword of 2nd and 3rd.
* Viral weaponry.
* Nth Metal
* Spawning The Green from inside your body.
Good. Looks like Paul still has a few options to use against Galaxia. There may be hope yet.
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Counts as Mind Control/Corruption
Counts as Damage/Environmental effects.
Was destroyed, but would have counted as Transformation.
Counts as Damage.
Counts as Corruption/Damage.
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Not conventional damage, though. They literally destroy you at the atomic/molecular level, which bypasses conventional physical or magical durability. Plus, there's plenty of times in Sailor Moon where we see that while Sailor Scouts are resistant to damage, they're not completely immune either.
Plus, if her bracelets' atoms get dissolved by crumbler rounds…
Again, still not conventional damage.
No, it wouldn't have. It was a sword that could cut through literally any defense, and it had the power of two nigh-omnipotent beings within it.
I don't know the show all that well, but wasn't there an episode where Usagi got affected by a virus created by one of her villains? Doesn't that prove that diseases can affect them? Plus, if her Sailor Senshi powers could remove that, why didn't she just instantly cure herself by transforming and then use her powers on herself?
Plus, Nth Metal is magic-proof, meaning that most, if not all of Galaxia's attacks would have been ineffective against it. So if anything, it'd be Galaxia who would have trouble damaging the Nth metal.
No, it does not. There is nothing corruptive about that ability, it just spawns plants that continuously grow inside of your enemy at ludicrous speed. That's it. And even if her internal organs can resist being torn to shreds by that (which I call BS on), the plants actually don't need to directly damage Galaxia to neutralize her. So even if her organs can't be directly damaged by the plants, there's several ways Paul can exploit them to kill her.
Think about it: Paul could make the plants instantly grow in her veins, arteries and airways to obstruct them and prevent the flow of blood throughout her body, and even stop her heart from beating altogether to give her a massive stroke. Or worse, he could make plants instantly grow to her brain and clog up the blood vessels to stop her brain from functioning correctly, making her lose control over her bodily motor functions and giving her seizures, aneurisms or even a cerebrovascular haemorrhagic stroke.
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You're comparing normal Sailor Scouts to Galaxia...
Galaxia's base of operation exists within the supermassive black hole at the center of the galaxy... She is literally exposed to more exotic physics breaking effects just drinking a cup of tea...
The First and Second were just powerful ancient demons, not nigh-omnipotent.
Season 2 Episode 34 Filler episode Venus: Minako's Nurse Mayhem, the group get's infected by a magical virus in their normal forms, gets treated by Minako and then "magically" get better when they transform into their Sailor Scout forms to try and save Minako.
Magic Resistant not Magic Proof, this would be like expecting Tugstein to survive being tossed into the sun.
Which it does by projecting a magical force inside the enemies body...
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Hellblazer lore begs to disagree. And it can kill literally anything with a capital "A", even cosmic beings who can end the universe with a thought.
Those so-called "normal Sailor Scouts" are the ones who ultimately defeated Galaxia, remember?
Also, that doesn't really mean much, considering that these weapons have been shown to work against enemies who break regular physics just by existing too, so it's questionable if Galaxia being tough enough to live in a supermassive black hole would be enough to protect her.
Okay, fair enough. I didn't know it was a filler episode, and like I said, I'm not as well-versed in Sailor Moon lore as you are, so I didn't know how that episode ended. I guess we can take viral weaponry off the list, then.
The Green is not a magical force. It's classified as a separate force from magic in the DCU.
Also, even if it was magic, Galaxia's magic resistance wouldn't actually help her, because while it might prevent the plants from directly harming her internal organs, it wouldn't stop them from indirectly disrupting her bodily functions like I described in my last reply, because it would massively clog up and disrupt her insides, thus crippling and potentially killing her without actually directly injuring her.
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Which it does by using the orange light to manipulate what little desires plants have to cause them to do things. It was why the dryad, who's name I can never remember told him to stop. He was 'making plants do things by making them want things like animals'.
That's all orange light/desire manipulation.
That does mean he has to touch the orange light of plants that are inside Galaxia.
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Hellblazer lore has it failing to kill the only target it's ever used on...
Eternal Sailor Moon defeated Galaxia, this is what happened when the two most powerful "normal" Sailor Scouts tried to fight her.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBcsNUXat7c
Again, it requires inserting a damaging force into her body... That would not work...
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Hellblazer lore very does not.
Point in fact, we had a whole bit where after the First found out that the Second and Third were just powerful demons and not the same sort of being as him, he stomped their shit in and killed them.
No they didn't.
Galaxia killed them and raised their corpses to fight Usagi and force her to destroy them. After which, Galaxia shrugged and tossed their souls into the Galaxy Cauldron.
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...Even though he died by being cut by a sword made out of them? Literally stripped of all power despite being the second most powerful thing in existence??
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Incorrect. The sword DID kill him, but he just so happens to have a power that lets him reincarnate after dying. Galaxia does not, so if it was used on her, she would presumably die permanently.
Yes, it does. Otherwise, the knife wouldn't have been able to kill the First's original incarnation.
Regardless of what you believe, the fact of the matter is that it did kill the First, and that's undeniable.
I was referring to Usagi.
So? I already knew about that. Still doesn't prove that those weapons wouldn't work on her, though.
Yes, it would. For one thing, it's not an inherently damaging force. It's a force which causes a chain reaction which happens to be lethal to the victim, but it does not directly cause damage to the victim by itself. What you fail to understand here is that it doesn't hurt you solely by damaging your insides, but also by bypassing physical durability to disrupt your insides by turning your own bodily functions against you.
Meaning that even if you have a magical resistance that somehow negates all physical damage, the power will still bypass that to hurt you regardless, because even if you don't get directly physical damage from the attack, you WILL get damaged by the plants blocking the blood flow inside your veins and arteries, which will in turn stopping your heart from beating due to having no blood left to pump, or your cerebral blood vessels being unable to properly flow blood around your brain, which will in turn severely hinder your cerebral functions. Because I assure you, that's not something that can be bypassed through sheer durability alone.
Have you ever wondered what would happen to you if your heart, veins and arteries suddenly stopped pumping blood around your body? Sudden heart failure/cardiac arrest. Have you ever wondered what would happen to you if your brain suddenly got so clogged up that it wouldn't be able to properly issue commands to your sensorimotor system to make your limbs move even if you want them to? Sudden cerebral failure/brain seizure.
In other words, it doesn't matter if you're powerful enough to survive living inside a supermassive black hole, because if you still require constant blood flow to survive like the rest of us, then anything that disrupts the bodily functions responsible for that can and will kill you.
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First, it does not matter. OL does not have the Sword. It was destroyed.
Second, I literally posted the pages of the comic. The First straight up says that they were just demons. Strong, but still just demons, so he could slap them down with "a simple holding spell" and then gibbed them.
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I know he doesn't have it anymore. I was speculating.
Also, The First said that, but yet the sword still killed him. So he was obviously severely underestimating the power of these two demons, because otherwise, their combined power would not have been able to kill him.