With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

[Darko]

The Fantastic Four forced Galactus back with the Ultimate Nullifier, and that backfired on them.

Doctor Strange forced Dormammu back with Time Stone, which could backfire on him at any moment given he no longer has the Time Stone.

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And?

It still worked and they managed to save billions of people.

Their options also weren't exactly numerous.

am talking about the quality of the arguments he made in those cases, whether he was successful or not is immaterial to that

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It's really not.

The fact that it worked can show that it's a good argument.

And you'll try to counter this by saying that his arguments were simplistic.

But here's the thing; sometimes people can't or won't see a certain issue or solution until it is pointed out to them, no matter how simple it is.

This can be for a variety of reasons.

The Terror Twins had childhood memories where the act of destruction was positive, at least one of their parents was an alcoholic, their education was poor, so they turned to crime instead of pursuing the legitimate solutions Paul gave them.

Hera has had thousands of years to invest in her relationship with Zeus, and anyone in her close family has probably given up on her relationship with Zeus to improve, and any Olympian worshippers wouldn't have told her to just do the obvious thing and divorce him because they either couldn't fathom that happening, or feared that they'd offend Zeus or Hera since she's the goddess of marriage.

Talia was raised in a cult that worshipped her father and it took Paul telling her about what he did to his previous daughter as well as pointing out several ways that he could have saved the planet for her to leave him.

Just because something is simple that doesn't mean that it's stupid.

 

[CrazyNoVa]

I am talking about the quality of the arguments he made in those cases, whether he was successful or not is immaterial to that.

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Except that it isn't? I've read the arguments he had with each of them, and for the most part, they were sound. And in some cases, he even promised them a way to get exactly what they wanted in a non-criminal way.

 

[Vaermina]

And?

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And, that's a completely different thing from talking someone around to your point of view.

The fact that it worked can show that it's a good argument.

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In real life.

In fiction an argument working just shows that the author decided it works.

The Terror Twins had childhood memories where the act of destruction was positive, at least one of their parents was an alcoholic, their education was poor, so they turned to crime instead of pursuing the legitimate solutions Paul gave them.

Hera has had thousands of years to invest in her relationship with Zeus, and anyone in her close family has probably given up on her relationship with Zeus to improve, and any Olympian worshippers wouldn't have told her to just do the obvious thing and divorce him because they either couldn't fathom that happening, or feared that they'd offend Zeus or Hera since she's the goddess of marriage.

Talia was raised in a cult that worshipped her father and it took Paul telling her about what he did to his previous daughter as well as pointing out several ways that he could have saved the planet for her to leave him.

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The low hanging fruit should already be picked.

Or to put it in other words, if a problem is so easy to fix that a few easily accessible bits of information can solve it, it should already be solved.