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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Mr Zoat

What's Gremlin's accent supposed to be, because I don't think it is correct if you're trying to do the official Greenskin accent. The "h" at the beginning of words should be cut out most of the time for instance.
 
Vaermina said:
Please... Do this...

And then collect all the Psykers you can and try to keep them from the Imperium.

Because I would just love to see the Black Ships show up in force to show the Tau just how out matched they are in the universe.
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Baring a huge reversal of combat priorities in sector of galaxy Imperium still focused on orks/space bugs/chaos/etc.
 
Massgamer said:
Baring a huge reversal of combat priorities in sector of galaxy Imperium still focused on orks/space bugs/chaos/etc.
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That doesn't apply to the League of Blackships.

They only care about one thing, retrieving human Psykers from every human planet in the galaxy. And anything that tries in any way to block or prevent that duty get's a face full of the Imperium's most powerful warships.
 
Ngamer11 said:
Who's Miss Lantern?
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If you want the source, Kaising the Joint (part 1):
Mr Zoat said:
"There are humans in the Tau Empire for whom the Imperium is a distant memory."

"And they're not much less crazy. Look, if you want me to try sharing my mindset with some… If you really think that's the best use of my time, then… Fine. I'll do it, for the Greater Good. But socially? I prefer being around you and Tsua'm and Shor than I would any human you're likely to find."

Shor's assignment to our group is proof that whoever runs the Lar'shi Fio'ar'tol either has a sense of humour or has been replaced by a drone. She's intelligent, mentally flexible, phlegmatic, and also has a personal name that literally means 'lantern', and was thus naturally the best fit when the Empire called for someone to research the power ring.
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I can easily imagine her suggesting a Star Sapphire theme for their wedding, if Paul has mentioned the "light of love" to her.
 
Doccer said:
What about using a HUD for his ring to highlight the bodyparts involved and what they mean instead of this guessing game till he gets it?
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My guess is that his ring doesn't have that information in its database. A Maltusian database (even partial, like his is), isn't going to know anything about the species in warhammer 40k.
 
There are lots of reasons the Tau caste system makes no sense. Not least among them is the idea that all the things civilization needs can be swept up into a few neat buckets.
 
Fear Ourself (part 1)
Fear Ourself

20th January 2013
10:02 GMT

Jade nods. "The food is-." She frowns. "Better, here."

I look around the calm street in which our restaurant is situated. If not for the odd colour of the residents this could be somewhere in France or Italy; the roads are cobblestone and the buildings are clearly modernised relics of an earlier age.

Not Britain though: they drive on the right.

"Better than raw liquidised space snake?"

"Yes, but-." She looks uncomfortable.

"What is it?"

"What happens to the souls of the people who get eaten?"

I don't ask her to clarify whether she means the souls or the people.

"Nothing special. If the death is traumatic enough the person who ate them might become the attachment point for their ghost rather than the place they died, but otherwise they're off to the local afterlife as normal. Unless… You're telling me otherwise."

She gives her head a small shake, not looking at me. "I don't know."

"Most people the citizenry kill are on planets, and most of the rest are near to inhabited planets. What I experienced with my second death is unusual and only really happens in deep space. Even if you… Had a ghost haunting you, we're on a world with a measurable thaumosphere at the moment; they'd probably wander off. And, if you want, we can perform the appropriate death-rites to make sure of it."

"Can we change my brain back?"

"Change..? To how it was before you used my ring?" She doesn't nod, but she does make momentary eye contact. "Yes. It wouldn't.. be a good idea, but we could. Are.. you.. having problems?"

"No. No.. nightmares. No shaking or flashbacks. Just a background sense of… Wrong, that I ate them. That's more empathy than I used to have."

"That wasn't part of your training, was it?"

She turns her head towards me, frowning more deeply. "Eating people? No." her expression becomes contemplative. "Though I think Dad would probably have given us a pass on our wilderness survival if we did."

"I'm pretty sure that the Scouts Association would have failed me if I'd done that. And… Eating people is wrong, so I can't say that there's anything wrong with you feeling that way. How serious-?"

"No, not… I was just talking. So, what's the plan for freeing Earth?"

"If I knew how to remove Anti-Life, I assure you, I'd have volunteered that information. The League's plan is… I can't think of anything better, and it will probably work as it's supposed to."

"All that effort trying to take over the world, and the Justice League gets there first."

"The right to rule comes from the consent of the governed. And it turns out that the governed prefer heroes who've tried to help them to villains who keep robbing and killing them."

She raises her right eyebrow.

"Yes, I am including actual politicians, though in all fairness they're not all in the second category. The problem with democracy is that people don't always vote for who they're supposed to. I mean, would you vote for Knight or Horne over Superman?"

"I might if I thought he was going to fly off to save the world every day instead of doing his job."

I raise my eyebrows pointedly at her.

"Fine. No. So why didn't he stand for office?"

"Because his adoptive parents and work colleagues would almost certainly get killed. And because as good a man as he is, he doesn't actually have any experience in civil administration and wouldn't really know what to do. And he.. wasn't born in the United States. Now, Batman could run, but he doesn't have the same reputation amongst the general population."

"And it would terrify every other country on the planet. So what's the plan for dealing with that when it's over?"

"What, 'if we keep fucking up competent and morally upstanding people might take over'?" I shrug. "I don't know, but you know what happened with Brazil."

"The League hasn't done a thing to get rid of the Accala. I thought that was because there wasn't anything to restore."

"People have asked the League to do it, including survivors from the pre-Sheeda Brazilian government. This… Well, people will either restore their pre-Anti-Life governments, or they won't. The fact that a thing existed at one point in time isn't an indication that it must exist for all time."

"All men aren't created equal if one of them can fire lasers out of his face."

"All men aren't created equal anyway. I'd have to check with Rao to see if he endowed Kryptonians with the same innate rights as humans. But, yeah. If your political structures don't centralise power then it doesn't matter if the people with power are incompetent arseholes because they can't do anything too bad. If you do, then they need to be good people."

"And who better than the Justice League?"

"I hope someone, because most of them don't have the skill set."

"But they do all have the moral integrity. Have you ever read Starship Troopers?"

"I don't actually think that overthrowing the concept of democracy in favour of oligarchy would be as easy in reality as Robert Heinlein thought it would be."

"So you have read it, or..?"

"No, I just watched the films. The third one was surprisingly good, given the budget."

She smiles with a quiet snort.

"So you've got no idea at all?"

"No, no… I've got an idea, it's just that even if it works, the results might be worse."

"For Earth, or the universe?"

"Both. Though given that the universe as a whole isn't that bad-."

Wait. The Crime Syndicate reality. Would they..? Have some sort of non-evil Anti-Life? Or… Would it just be the Anti-Life in the hands of Highfather?

I'll pass that one along.

"What?"

"Just had an idea that may be even worse. Ah, first idea is to use different colours of power ring to forcibly push the Anti-Life out of peoples' souls. But we don't have all the colours, and Alan and Ghia'ta probably aren't skilled enough, and I doubt that Sinestro will cooperate."

"Why do we need Sinestro? Kalmin works for you."

"Kalmin works for Kalmin. He just happens to be pointing in the right direction at the moment."

Still… I suppose it wouldn't hurt to ask.
 
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Wait. The Crime Syndicate reality. Would they..? Have some sort of non-evil Anti-Life? Or… Would it just be the Anti-Life in the hands of High Father?
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"Highfather"

And if I remember correctly Darkseid in that universe if a fast food worker, so maybe he imbues Pro-Life into the meals he makes.

And yes I know what the Equation name i gevw it can also mean.

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and I doubt that Sinestro will cooperate."
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You never know.

Given the title of the episode I'm guessing it will focus on him.

Mr Zoat said:
Still… I suppose it wouldn't hurt to ask
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Given that it's Kalmin you're talking about it honestly may hurt.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Fear Ourself

20th January 2013
10:02 GMT

Jade nods. "The food is-." She frowns. "Better, here."

I look around the calm street in which our restaurant is situated. If not for the odd colour of the residents this could be somewhere in France or Italy; the roads are cobblestone and the buildings are clearly modernised relics of an earlier age.
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I'm sure it's pretty enough. But there's bound to be little things that seem wrong to their human eyes. Oddities in behaviour, demeanour or atmosphere. Heck, even a little thing like the cutlery can make for a 'huh, that's odd' moment...

Not Britain though: they drive on the right.

"Better than raw liquidised space snake?"
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See? One little thing and the illusion is ruined. Ruined, I say! :D

"Yes, but-." She looks uncomfortable.

"What is it?"
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To be fair, nearly anything would be better than raw liquidised space snake...

"What happens to the souls of the people who get eaten?"

I don't ask her to clarify whether she means the souls or the people.
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Pretty straightforward, honestly.

"Nothing special. If the death is traumatic enough the person who ate them might become the attachment point for their ghost rather than the place they died, but otherwise they're off to the local afterlife as normal. Unless… You're telling me otherwise."

She gives her head a small shake, not looking at me. "I don't know."
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I doubt the majority of the Citizenry are in any way religious... Jade's not worried about the Citizen she sliced up, is she?

"Most people the citizenry kill are on planets, and most of the rest are near to inhabited planets. What I experienced with my second death is unusual and only really happens in deep space. Even if you… Had a ghost haunting you, we're on a world with a measurable thaumosphere at the moment; they'd probably wander off. And, if you want, we can perform the appropriate death-rites to make sure of it."

"Can we change my brain back?"
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...Assuming you could find appropriate death-rites. o_O Whose rites would take precedence anyway? The Ghost's religion? The hauntee? The local planet?

"Change..? To how it was before you used my ring?" She doesn't nod, but she does make momentary eye contact. "Yes. It wouldn't.. be a good idea, but we could. Are.. you.. having problems?"

"No. No.. nightmares. No shaking or flashbacks. Just a background sense of… Wrong, that I ate them. That's more empathy than I used to have."
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Ah. She's just feeling bad about the whole experience. It's just something you'll have to live with, Jade...

"That wasn't part of your training, was it?"

She turns her head towards me, frowning more deeply. "Eating people? No." her expression becomes contemplative. "Though I think Dad would probably have given us a pass on our wilderness survival if we did."
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Unless it ended up attracting some local spirit of cannabalism or something...

"I'm pretty sure that the Scouts Association would have failed me if I'd done that. And… Eating people is wrong, so I can't say that there's anything wrong with you feeling that way. How serious-?"

"No, not… I was just talking. So, what's the plan for freeing Earth?"
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Seriously, girl. Maybe you might need some therapy after that whole mission?

"If I knew how to remove Anti-Life, I assure you, I'd have volunteered that information. The League's plan is… I can't think of anything better, and it will probably work as it's supposed to."

"All that effort trying to take over the world, and the Justice League gets there first."
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If it helps, they're doing it out of necessity. It's this or let Mannheim have his way...

"The right to rule comes from the consent of the governed. And it turns out that the governed prefer heroes who've tried to help them to villains who keep robbing and killing them."

She raises her right eyebrow.
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Phrasing, OL? :D

"Yes, I am including actual politicians, though in all fairness they're not all in the second category. The problem with democracy is that people don't always vote for who they're supposed to. I mean, would you vote for Knight or Horne over Superman?"

"I might if I thought he was going to fly off to save the world every day instead of doing his job."
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...I mean, there is a universe or two where that happens.

I raise my eyebrows pointedly at her.

"Fine. No. So why didn't he stand for office?"
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To be fair, I'm sure Clark would give it the old Smallville try.

"Because his adoptive parents and work colleagues would almost certainly get killed. And because as good a man as he is, he doesn't actually have any experience in civil administration and wouldn't really know what to do. And he.. wasn't born in the United States. Now, Batman could run, but he doesn't have the same reputation amongst the general population."

"And it would terrify every other country on the planet. So what's the plan for dealing with that when it's over?"
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On the upside, neither of them would need much in the way of Secret Service protection. :p

"What, 'if we keep fucking up competent and morally upstanding people might take over'?" I shrug. "I don't know, but you know what happened with Brazil."

"The League hasn't done a thing to get rid of the Accala. I thought that was because there wasn't anything to restore."
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It's not really the League's job to step in on matters like that. Whatever any firebrand journalist might have to say on the matter.

"People have asked the League to do it, including survivors from the pre-Sheeda Brazilian government. This… Well, people will either restore their pre-Anti-Life governments, or they won't. The fact that a thing existed at one point in time isn't an indication that it must exist for all time."

"All men aren't created equal if one of them can fire lasers out of his face."
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...Bit of a lame comeback. But sadly true.

"All men aren't created equal anyway. I'd have to check with Rao to see if he endowed Kryptonians with the same innate rights as humans. But, yeah. If your political structures don't centralise power then it doesn't matter if the people with power are incompetent arseholes because they can't do anything too bad. If you do, then they need to be good people."

"And who better than the Justice League?"
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Well, all of them do have their issues. Not all of them are squeaky-clean. ...Except maybe Captain Marvel. ;)

"I hope someone, because most of them don't have the skill set."

"But they do all have the moral integrity. Have you ever read Starship Troopers?"
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I mean, would you put Patrick 'Eel' O'Brian in charge of anything? Besides maybe a bachelor party?

"I don't actually think that overthrowing the concept of democracy in favour of oligarchy would be as easy in reality as Robert Heinlein thought it would be."

"So you have read it, or..?"
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Heinlein is not the best standard to judge anything by...

"No, I just watched the films. The third one was surprisingly good, given the budget."

She smiles with a quiet snort.
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She laughs, because the films were practically opposite-viewpoint parodies of the books. Plus a criminal lack of the powered armour technology from the books. :cool: ...Because Power Armour is almost as cool as a Power Ring.

"So you've got no idea at all?"

"No, no… I've got an idea, it's just that even if it works, the results might be worse."
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As in 'War of Light' worse? 'Blackest Night' worse? 'Final Crisis' worse? There's a wide scale for these things, you know.

"For Earth, or the universe?"

"Both. Though given that the universe as a whole isn't that bad-."
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From what little you've seen of it...

Wait. The Crime Syndicate reality. Would they..? Have some sort of non-evil Anti-Life? Or… Would it just be the Anti-Life in the hands of High Father?

I'll pass that one along.
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If the entire universe is morality-reversed, then 'Apokalips' might well be paragons of freedom and virtue. But I doubt it.

"What?"

"Just had an idea that may be even worse. Ah, first idea is to use different colours of power ring to forcibly push the Anti-Life out of peoples' souls. But we don't have all the colours, and Alan and Ghia'ta probably aren't skilled enough, and I doubt that Sinestro will cooperate."
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Never mind the difficulty of getting Red or Indigo rings...

"Why do we need Sinestro? Kalmin works for you."

"Kalmin works for Kalmin. He just happens to be pointing in the right direction at the moment."

Still… I suppose it wouldn't hurt to ask.
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...So, how long is Kalmin going to laugh at you?

Kalmin? I suppose he might take the challenge of removing a harmful universal principle from an entire population as a challenge. He might find the concept Anti-Life an unpleasant method of destruction, after all, since his religion is the annihilation of all life, not its enslavement. Or he might be pleasantly amused that OL even asked... :confused: The next chapter is going to open with him laughing, isn't it?
 
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She laughs, because the films were practically opposite-viewpoint parodies of the books. Plus a criminal lack of the powered armour technology from the books. :cool: ...Because Power Armour is almost as cool as a Power Ring.
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Even then, isn't a plot point of the films that you become a citizen who has voting rights through service? I guess Zoat was watching it properly (With your mind turned off).
 
Before the anti-life thingie I was wonder if Boss Smiley didn't somehow won already and just brainwashed Paul to move away from innovation without us noticing it. But now I wonder if he isn't somehow behind the anti-life thingie.
 
Chojin Patriarch said:
I doubt the majority of the Citizenry are in any way religious... Jade's not worried about the Citizen she sliced up, is she
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Some of them may be religious.

The ones that have been forced to join them may pray to their idea of divinity.

And Jade was worried about the people that were turned into porridge that she ate.

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Never mind the difficulty of getting Red or Indigo rings...
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They do have the fragments of an indigo ring.
 
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"Highfather"
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Thank you, corrected.
And if I remember correctly Darkseid in that universe if a fast food worker, so maybe he imbues Pro-Life into the meals he makes.
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What?
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Even then, isn't a plot point of the films that you become a citizen who has voting rights through service? I guess Zoat was watching it properly (With your mind turned off).
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Military service guarantees citizenship. In the book, you can get citizenship by doing equivalent civilian work for the same period of time.
 
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My guess is that his ring doesn't have that information in its database. A Maltusian database (even partial, like his is), isn't going to know anything about the species in warhammer 40k.
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Nonono. If that were true he couldn't speak with any of them. And Zoat specifically said he turned that function off to learn the body language.
 
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Even then, isn't a plot point of the films that you become a citizen who has voting rights through service? I guess Zoat was watching it properly (With your mind turned off).
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I want to bring up a certain fact about America, but I'm afraid it would count as discussing politics.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"What happens to the souls of the people who get eaten?"

I don't ask her to clarify whether she means the souls or the people.
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This doesn't parse correctly to me. How could she even technically mean anything other than the souls with this phrasing? Like if Paul would have asked, what would the question have looked like?
 
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This doesn't parse correctly to me. How could she even technically mean anything other than the souls with this phrasing? Like if Paul would have asked, what would the question have looked like?
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what happels to the *souls of the people* who get eaten

what happens to the souls of the *people who get eaten*

Doesn't really make a difference, but my interpration was "tempted to make a pedantic quibble, but won't"
 
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