With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

[Darko]

Ahri'ahn is independent from most things due to the fact that he's a time traveller from the past who only travels forward in time. Why do you think the Renegade is in anyway at fault for this guy's crazy plan?

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This is Vaermina that's talking.

If any problem arises in the story then they'll blame the local Paul even if it makes no sense.

Though I am wondering why the paragon version of Ahri'ahn didn't strike.

It's possible that the magical revolution Paul set in motion allowed them to develop means that can detect even those of Ahri'ahn's skill, so he's more cautious.

Plus Atlantis is thriving, so he may be pleased with that.

He only really came onto the scene when he attacked Aberrance because they were using his techniques in their biomancy, while that wasn't happening paragon-side so that may have spurned into more drastic actions of taking over Atlantis.

For all we know he may have been planning on doing this on te paragon side as well, but the Anti-Life put a hamper on that.

 

[Vaermina]

Ahri'ahn is independent from most things due to the fact that he's a time traveller from the past who only travels forward in time. Why do you think the Renegade is in anyway at fault for this guy's crazy plan?

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Because this is Earth 16, and we know how the timeline would have gone if the two Paul's never showed up.

Hell, this is doubly his fault because the actual Ahri'ahn was supposed to have died when Atlantis fell. Meaning he either mucked things up with his Time Travel, or this is the clone program that his actions pushed forward by five years.

 

[Assblaster5000]

Because this is Earth 16, and we know how the timeline would have gone if the two Paul's never showed up.

Hell, this is doubly his fault because the actual Ahri'ahn was supposed to have died when Atlantis fell. Meaning he either mucked things up with his Time Travel, or this is the clone program that his actions pushed forward by five years.

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Responding to Vaermina.

This is an alternate universe version of Earth 16. Things are, from the outset, innately different from the Young Justice show, people and events which did not exist in that universe from well before any version of Paul showed up are present within this universe.

Do not blame the author or the thread for your lack of reading comprehension.

 

[Vaermina]

Responding to Vaermina.

This is an alternate universe version of Earth 16. Things are, from the outset, innately different from the Young Justice show, people and events which did not exist in that universe from well before any version of Paul showed up are present within this universe.

Do not blame the author or the thread for your lack of reading comprehension.

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I will wait while you find the author post stating this takes place in an AU.

 

[Assblaster5000]

I will wait while you find the author post stating this takes place in an AU.

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Replying to Vaermina.

I... literally could not, in any possible life, make this shit up.

Thank you for being this absolutely, unimaginably, incomprehensibly honest with the fact that you haven't actually read this story for even a single chapter fucking once.

But if you absolutely must know, there is to the best of my knowledge no such post because Zoat is a reasonable man. He expects his readers to have eyes with which to read the text of the fiction itself. No one who reads With This Ring past the first few episodes would, in any way, consider it a faithful retelling of Young Justice as a story.

The power scaling exists well outside of what has been established in the actual show and, again, evens have occurred in the past of WTR which have not occurred in the past of Young Justice. Events which predate Paul.

If this does not self-evidently classify WTR as an AU fanfiction then literally nothing else ever possibly could.

 

[Vaermina]

Replying to Vaermina.

I... literally could not, in any possible life, make this shit up.

Thank you for being this absolutely, unimaginably, incomprehensibly honest with the fact that you haven't actually read this story for even a single chapter fucking once.

But if you absolutely must know, there is to the best of my knowledge no such post because Zoat is a reasonable man. He expects his readers to have eyes with which to read the text of the fiction itself. No one who reads With This Ring past the first few episodes would, in any way, consider it a faithful retelling of Young Justice as a story.

The power scaling exists well outside of what has been established in the actual show and, again, evens have occurred in the past of WTR which have not occurred in the past of Young Justice. Events which predate Paul.

If this does not self-evidently classify WTR as an AU fanfiction then literally nothing else ever possibly could.

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And without an author statement saying it so, that's just your opinion

Meanwhile, my opinion is that those changes are just retroactive results of time traveling by the various Pauls.

 

[Zig]

And without an author statement saying it so, that's just your opinion

Meanwhile, my opinion is that those changes are just retroactive results of time traveling by the various Pauls.

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Barda and Scott free are living happily on Earth. This is not the case in canon. Zoat has stated that he has not seen and has no plans to see seasons 3 or 4. Things have happened in this story that are decidedly contradicted by seasons 3 and 4, and they are things that are historical from before the SI showed up. The antilife equation in this fic is way different from what it is in canon, that's not something the SI did, that's something Zoat wrote.

 

[Mr Zoat]

Barda and Scott free are living happily on Earth. This is not the case in canon. Zoat has stated that he has not seen and has no plans to see seasons 3 or 4. Things have happened in this story that are decidedly contradicted by seasons 3 and 4, and they are things that are historical from before the SI showed up. The antilife equation in this fic is way different from what it is in canon, that's not something the SI did, that's something Zoat wrote.

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Ah, no. I haven't seen all of series 4. I have seen series 3, but when I started writing this it didn't exist. Naturally, this means that some things I assumed about the setting turned out not to be true.

 

[Darko]

Replying to Vaermina.

I... literally could not, in any possible life, make this shit up.

Thank you for being this absolutely, unimaginably, incomprehensibly honest with the fact that you haven't actually read this story for even a single chapter fucking once.

But if you absolutely must know, there is to the best of my knowledge no such post because Zoat is a reasonable man. He expects his readers to have eyes with which to read the text of the fiction itself. No one who reads With This Ring past the first few episodes would, in any way, consider it a faithful retelling of Young Justice as a story.

The power scaling exists well outside of what has been established in the actual show and, again, evens have occurred in the past of WTR which have not occurred in the past of Young Justice. Events which predate Paul.

If this does not self-evidently classify WTR as an AU fanfiction then literally nothing else ever possibly could.

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Just put them on ignore.

At this point you're just stressing yourself out by yelling at a brick wall.

Vaermina has made it abundantly clear that nothing will sway them. Not logic, not pleading, not yelling.

There's no point trying to convince them on anything.

You can show them the relevant pages, the author statements, heck you can get the author to clarify their point on a hundred different pages or have him basically put the relevant statements after every word he writes.

None of it will matter.

Vaermina will just deny it no matter how much you do.

 

[Vaermina]

Barda and Scott free are living happily on Earth. This is not the case in canon. Zoat has stated that he has not seen and has no plans to see seasons 3 or 4. Things have happened in this story that are decidedly contradicted by seasons 3 and 4, and they are things that are historical from before the SI showed up. The antilife equation in this fic is way different from what it is in canon, that's not something the SI did, that's something Zoat wrote.

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Yes, but with Time Travel the result can proceed the cause.

And Paul has done a lot of Time Traveling.

To the point there's an entire side story about a Paul in the past changing history.

 

[Assblaster5000]

Yes, but with Time Travel the result can proceed the cause.

And Paul has done a lot of Time Traveling.

To the point there's an entire side story about a Paul in the past changing history.

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Vaermina, no.

With the way Time Trapper Paul restructured time retroactively that's no longer possible. The inciting incident of that event can never occur again because all possible timelines exist at once, which removes his drive to make it happen. This is a self-maintaining time paradox and leads into the basic idea of Quantum Immortality, just applied to "canon" instead of living forever.

There can be no retroactive alterations or any issues caused by manipulating the time stream from anyone because that would only create a new timeline, which means the events we see must be the natural "canon" of the universe (and I've been very specifically ignoring the fact that, by being a fanfiction, WTR is inherently AU because you just ignored that the last time you were this wrong) and few if any of those past, Pre-Paul events are canon within Young Justice.

Once more, Zoat nor I nor anyone else in the thread is at fault for your lack of reading comprehension, only you can be blamed for not reading a story you can't stop mocking because you think it's shit. To which I must say, if you've written before, as I know you have, why not do your own? If you're so self-assured that your way is the better way do it.

Genuinely, go do it yourself. Prove literally everyone in this thread wrong and make the better story. I will send you real, actual money if you can manage it if that's what it takes. List an amount, so long as it's below say 300$, and I will fucking get it to you.

Edit because I forgot to mention it like a dummy:Money comes after the story obviously. I'm not doing a commission here, just placing a bet. Make a story I can say has genuinely caught my interest for, like, five chapters and you'll get that money if you tell me where to send it.

 

[Amrynel]

…Would that actually work?

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Short answer: If you're Superman, yes.

Longer answer: If it helps you manifest your visualization of extending your tactile telekinesis - or whatever you call the ability that lets you lift entire buildings/continents* using "just" two human-sized hands in complete disregard of the normal limits of structural integrity - into the wave to pull it with you, then yes.

Kind of like a Jedi lifting a hand when using the Force - theoretically it's not needed, but practically either the particular Jedi finds it easier doing it or needs to do it to get into the mindset that it's going to work so that it does work.

*or if you're Silver Age Superman, even tow a galaxy's worth of inhabited planets at once without harming them.

 

[Stsword]

Bio-electric aura.

Superboy's tactile telekinesis was based on Superman's bio-electric aura.

 

[Khornelius]

Vaermina, no.

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Thank you man. I've been avoiding the discussions because I always, always see his negative replies.

 

[Assblaster5000]

Thank you man. I've been avoiding the discussions because I always, always see his negative replies.

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I would recommend setting Vaermina to ignored like Darko said. I won't do it personally because calling them out on these things is entertaining for me, as is watching them make a fool of themselves with nonsense arguments, but if you don't want to deal with them that'd be your best bet.

 

[Mr Zoat]

13th February 2013
18:33 GMT -5

BOOM!

I follow the Forevercar through-.

"Lightray, what is that vehicle actually called?"

"The Whiz Wagon."

I follow the Forevercar through the boom tube to a point-. To a point on the surface of Qualar IV, no doubt terrifying the native population into a collective coma.

"Serifan? Why are we in the atmosphere?"

"They's all going to be terrified whatever we do. Least this way we don't waste time."

I scan yep, yep, every native within hearing range of the boom has indeed fainted. Fortunately, they've designed their vehicles and appliances with the fact that the operators might collapse at any time with no notice into account. Might be an export market for narcoleptics on Earth, if the shipping distance wasn't completely ridiculous.

Vykin turns his head towards me. "Can you locate our destination?"

Ring?

"You could get that view of the stars from almost anywhere on this planet at different parts of the year. Between the annual snow and… Time, there isn't a precise match to the rock formation anywhere."

B'dg looks up at the sky. "Shouldn't this planet have their Green Lantern on speed dial?"

Lightray smiles. "Would they phone the Green Lantern all of the time, or faint before they made it to the handset?"

"They do have a Green Lantern, but he's insane."

Bear frowns. "Would a world of cowards call a brave man insane?"

"Yes, but I mean, the reason why he doesn't faint is because he hallucinates that there's no threat to him. He once beat a war fleet while firmly believing that the ships were some sort of biting fly."

B'dg narrows his eyes at me. "Get out."

"The Sector's other Lantern is a hypochondriac, but he's otherwise rational."

"And how do you know that?"

I shrug. "My homeworld has two actively serving Honour Guard Green Lanterns and sometimes they share personnel files."

Or more honestly, Guy likes to bad mouth his more useless colleagues.

Vykin turns to Dreamer. "Dreamer, can you feel where the image we saw occurred?"

She looks around somewhat blankly, before shaking her head.

Hm. Okay.

I turn up my empathic vision, the world of light fading away and being replaced by the colours of sentiment. The fear of the locals is omnipresent, but not actually all that strong. They're used to their own fear response, and know that a lot of the things that trigger it aren't actually all that dangerous. They've all fallen down -Perdoo aside- and they've all gotten back up again. They're not afraid of fear, but they are afraid of not feeling fear.

Why?

Connect to a medical database…

Ah, that makes sense. Certain types of serious injury turn the fear response off. If they're not afraid, they're in a great deal of trouble.

Why would Ub'x come here?

Their technology is interesting in how unconsciousness-friendly it is. Their social organisation is peacefully unified, because anything else was just impractical. They have no interest at all in travelling in space and are generally unambitious, because anything else is just impractical. Their music is… Very soothing, actually.

Moonrider looks at me. "Did you hear something?"

"Just trying to work out why Ub'x came here. Or… Wherever, if not here. Then I got the Wiki disease and started following links. Can you imagine what music a people like this would create?"

"Something which could not possibly cause alarm."

"Yes. I'm going to see if I can buy an export licence for their musical catalogue."

"Why?"

"After being Anti-Lifed, I suspect that my homeworld could do with some soothing music. Anyway, I've got no idea why Ub'x would be here. Indigo Lanterns tend to recruit people who are pretty darn evil, but these people couldn't do evil if they wanted to."

"Perhaps one of them wanted to be able to do evil very much."

"Maybe. What's with the staff?"

He hesitates, then raises it a little. "I am usually incisive. The Source granted me the power to control lightning, but it's.. not.. just.. lightning. It's focus and certainty. I never hesitated and I never doubted before.. we were taken to Apokolips. I made this staff-" He looks at it for a moment. "-because I will not let my weakness prevent me from fighting. But…"

"You don't sound incisive."

"I am not. Being incisive resulted in us being imprisoned on Apokolips. It resulted in Infinity Man being turned into that abomination. I can't trust my own judgements, so I hesitate. But if I don't hesitate, something like that could happen again."

Vykin is looking at Moonrider, a guilty expression on his face. I suppose that when a man whose whole thing is being incisive lets you decide on tactics, it's a blow when they can't trust themselves any more because that means that by extension they can't trust you either.

"And I'm afraid that you telling me that that's just how things are sometimes won't help."

"Then I suppose that it's the difference between knowing that you don't know what the right thing to do is, and knowing when you do know what the right thing to do is."

"I don't think that I understand."

"All the wars I've started, and I honestly couldn't tell you whether any particular one was right or not." I shrug. "I know that the people I and others on my behalf fought were very bad people. I know that them being gone or at least forcibly reformed makes the universe a better place. But I'll go to my grave-" Again. "-not knowing for certain whether I did it in the best way I could. If there was another approach I could have taken. Because a lot of people who would have lived have died because I made the choices that I did."

"I thought that you did things because you wanted to."

"No, that's entry level stuff. I pursue ends because I want to achieve them. But that doesn't mean that I magically know what the best way to reach that end is. And I have to go for it anyway, and if I'm wrong… Try to fix what I broke, because-."

"That's how life is. As you told Dreamer."

"Yeah. I'm afraid that you are going to make the wrong decisions sometimes, or get put in a place where there's only a 'least bad' decision and no way to tell which one it is. But getting paralysed with indecision is worse, because it guarantees that whoever you're supposed to be fighting can do whatever they want."

"I see."

"Did that help?"

"I don't know. I suppose I'll find out next time I have to make a decision."

 

[Katillno]

Paul having to play therapist is great

 

[Parzival95]

Did you mean indecisive? You used incisive several times and it doesn't seem to fit.

 

[Darko]

BOOM!

I follow the Foverercar through-.

"Lightray, what is that vehicle actually called?"

"The Whiz Wagon."

I follow the Foverercar

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This is one of the few times I agree with Paul's habit of not referring to things as they are.

I follow the Foverercar through the boom tube to a point-. To a point on the surface of Qualar IV, no doubt terrifying the native population into a collective coma.

"Serafin? Why are we in the atmosphere?"

"They's all going to be terrified whatever we do. Least this way we don't waste time."

I scan yep, yep, every native within hearing range of the boom has indeed fainted

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This is the planet of those aliens that are capable of great amounts of fear.

Fortunately, they've designed their vehicles and appliances with the fact that the operators might collapse at any time with no notice into account. Might be an export market for narcoleptics on Earth, if the shipping distance wasn't completely ridiculous.

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I'm now picturing something straight out of Futurama with robot hands coming out and cradling them while they change their underwear for peeing in them.

He one beat a war fleet while firmly believing that the ships were some sort of biting fly."

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"He once"

They're not afraid of fear, but they are afraid of not feeling fear.

Why?

Connect to a medical database…

Ah, that makes sense. Certain types of serious injury turn the fear response off. If they're not afraid, they're in a great deal of trouble.

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Kinda like how not feeling pain after a major injury is a sign that shit is very, very bad on a human.

Why would Ub'x come here?

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Someone may be evil here, or he came to help them.

Indigo Lanterns tend to recruit people who are pretty darn evil, but these people couldn't do evil if they wanted to."

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Unless one of them has some neurological condition that can make them into a psychopath or sociopath.

The last guy we saw him recruit apparently had a condition that made him an outcast, so he may have come for another one.

As a doctor, presumably a medical kind, his compassion may be directed towards those he thinks are sick.

Vykin is looking at Moonracer

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"Moonrider"

 

[Vaermina]

"Yes. I'm going to see if I can buy an export licence for their musical catalogue."

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It would be very very odd if their music effected humans the same way.

 

[Lord Ernest]

Did you mean indecisive? You used incisive several times and it doesn't seem to fit.

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On the contrary. Vykin is saying that him being so incisive and believing so much in his decisions is what caused the Forever People getting captured. Right now he thinks he should've been more doubtful or hestitated before just rushing along with the others.

 

[Coltsguy]

Paul is out here about to rationalize Anti-Life into a non-factor.

 

[Signaller]

Moonrider seems to have a similar power set to pre-beatdown Zeus. What happened in the end with Susano-o-no-Mikoto?

 

[Chojin Patriarch]

13th February 2013
18:33 GMT -5

BOOM!

I follow the Foverercar through-.

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Ah, yes. The other vehicle that's so iconic to the Forever People. Though others have used it too. Still, as amazing as it's made out to be... It's rather silly-looking. Like someone made a real-life Hot Wheels 'Imaginary' car.

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"Lightray, what is that vehicle actually called?"

"The Whiz Wagon."

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Yeah, new Gods seem to have a very unconventional naming convention. Usually in as comic-booky a manner as possible.

I follow the Foverercar through the boom tube to a point-. To a point on the surface of Qualar IV, no doubt terrifying the native population into a collective coma.

"Serafin? Why are we in the atmosphere?"

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Oh, these guys. The fainting goats of the Galaxy.

"They's all going to be terrified whatever we do. Least this way we don't waste time."

I scan yep, yep, every native within hearing range of the boom has indeed fainted. Fortunately, they've designed their vehicles and appliances with the fact that the operators might collapse at any time with no notice into account. Might be an export market for narcoleptics on Earth, if the shipping distance wasn't completely ridiculous.

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I get the feeling this was a defensive trait against predation that never got evolved out. Nice to see their culture accounts for it.

Vykin turns his head towards me. "Can you locate our destination?"

Ring?

"You could get that view of the stars from almost anywhere on this planet at different parts of the year. Between the annual snow and… Time, there isn't a precise match to the rock formation anywhere."

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So probably not this planet. Still, an interesting chance to see some sights.

B'dg looks up at the sky. "Shouldn't this planet have their Green Lantern on speed dial?"

Lightray smiles. "Would they phone the Green Lantern all of the time, or faint before they made it to the handset?"

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I would hope they have some manner of auto-detection network. Though I rather suspect they don't have the constitution for rocket launches... So any satellites would have had to have been placed by outsiders.

"They do have a Green Lantern, but he's insane."

Bear frowns. "Would a world of cowards call a brave man insane?"

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That depends on how he's brave. In this case, being hallucination-prone would do it nicely.

"Yes, but I mean, the reason why he doesn't faint is because he hallucinates that there's no threat to him. He one beat a war fleet while firmly believing that the ships were some sort of biting fly."

B'dg narrows his eyes at me. "Get out."

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No, he's serious. There's a Wiki link up there and everything!

"The Sector's other Lantern is a hypochondriac, but he's otherwise rational."

"And how do you know that?"

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An interesting departure from the usual anthropomorphism. Worth noting that he still has four limbs, but all four are arms...

I shrug. "My homeworld has two actively serving Honour Guard Green Lanterns and sometimes they share personnel files."

Or more honestly, Guy likes to bad mouth his more useless colleagues.

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But you don't need to tell Bd'g that. Also, let's not mention the other two Sector Lanterns from Earth, or the Blue Lantern. I'm sure his credulity only stretches so far.

Vykin turns to Dreamer. "Dreamer, can you feel where the image we saw occurred?"

She looks around somewhat blankly, before shaking her head.

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Not enough psychic resonance, I suppose.

Hm. Okay.

I turn up my empathic vision, the world of light fading away and being replaced by the colours of sentiment. The fear of the locals is omnipresent, but not actually all that strong. They're used to their own fear response, and know that a lot of the things that trigger it aren't actually all that dangerous. They've all fallen down -Perdoo aside- and they've all gotten back up again. They're not afraid of fear, but they are afraid of not feeling fear.

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Yes, very much sounds like a predation response. There's a neurological condition that makes the fainting goats faint, but I would expect that's something fixable.

Why?

Connect to a medical database…

Ah, that makes sense. Certain types of serious injury turn the fear response off. If they're not afraid, they're in a great deal of trouble.

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Ah. That's... Quite a thing. And entirely reasonable.

Why would Ub'x come here?

Their technology is interesting in how unconsciousness-friendly it is. Their social organisation is peacefully unified, because anything else was just impractical. They have no interest at all in travelling in space and are generally unambitious, because anything else is just impractical. Their music is… Very soothing, actually.

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...OL, are you hitting up their equivalent of Youtube to check out their music scene during a mission?

Moonrider looks at me. "Did you hear something?"

"Just trying to work out why Ub'x came here. Or… Wherever, if not here. Then I got the Wiki disease and started following links. Can you imagine what music a people like this would create?"

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I hope the memetic term translates. No doubt there are new Gods of Learning who enter the same kind of encyclopaedic distraction trance-state.

"Something which could not possibly cause alarm."

"Yes. I'm going to see if I can buy an export licence for their musical catalogue."

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...Huh. I bet it's something like smooth jazz. Muzak. Entirely soothing and calming...

"Why?"

"After being Anti-Lifed, I suspect that my homeworld could do with some soothing music. Anyway, I've got no idea why Ub'x would be here. Indigo Lanterns tend to recruit people who are pretty darn evil, but these people couldn't do evil if they wanted to."

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...Unless they're as abnormal as the local Lantern, OL. Though I would hope they could deal with that sort of lunacy.

"Perhaps one of them wanted to be able to do evil very much."

"Maybe. What's with the staff?"

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Oof, watch the swerve in the train of thought there, OL. Reminds me of the tone of some of the Mass Effect 'Investigate' options in conversations...

He hesitates, then raises it a little. "I am usually incisive. The Source granted me the power to control lightning, but it's.. not.. just.. lightning. It's focus and certainty. I never hesitated and I never doubted before.. we were taken to Apokolips. I made this staff-" He looks at it for a moment. "-because I will not let my weakness prevent me from fighting. But…"

"You don't sound incisive."

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...I though Vykin controlled magnetics? Or is his power a general sort of 'Electromagnetic manipulation thing'? Create electrical discharges using counter-rotating magnetic fields or stuff like that? On the upside, a staff would make it safer to aim lightning bolts.
Edit: Okay, got confused by the conversational swerve, and the fact that Vykin has magnetic powers, while Mark Moonrider has electrokinesis. Though that's a fortuitous combination, given the way they can interact.

"I am not. Being incisive resulted in us being imprisoned on Apokolips. It resulted in Infinity Man being turned into that abomination. I can't trust my own judgements, so I hesitate. But if I don't hesitate, something like that could happen again."

Vykin is looking at Moonracer, a guilty expression on his face. I suppose that when a man who's whole thing is being incisive lets you decide on tactics, it's a blow when they can't trust themselves any more because that means that by extension they can't trust you either.

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Something of a conundrum. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. He's afraid to take a decisive action, in case it gets his friends into the same trouble they had before. But he can't stand idle because he's the leader.

"And I'm afraid that you telling me that that's just how things are sometimes won't help."

"Then I suppose that it's the difference between knowing that you don't know what the right thing to do is, and knowing when you do know what the right thing to do is."

"I don't think that I understand."

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Yeah, that logic is a bit twisty for most unenlightened people, OL. Walk us through it?

"All the wars I've started, and I honestly couldn't tell you whether any particular one was right or not." I shrug. "I know that the people I and others on my behalf fought were very bad people. I know that them being gone or at least forcibly reformed makes the universe a better place. But I'll go to my grave-" Again. "-not knowing for certain whether I did it in the best way I could. If there was another approach I could have taken. Because a lot of people who would have lived have died because I made the choices that I did."

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And there's no playguide for Life. At least, for most people. Those in time-loops could probably work one out as they go. Especially if they realise there's no consequences from one to the next.

"I thought that you did things because you wanted to."

"No, that's entry level stuff. I pursue ends because I want to achieve them. But that doesn't mean that I magically know what the best way to reach that end is. And I have to go for it anyway, and if I'm wrong… Try to fix what I broke, because-."

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Of course, you can't spend all your time fixing what you broke, or you'll never do anything.

"That's how life is. As you told Dreamer."

"Yeah. I'm afraid that you are going to make the wrong decisions sometimes, or get put in a place where there's only a 'least bad' decision and no way to tell which one it is. But getting paralysed with in decision is worse, because it guarantees that whoever you're supposed to be fighting can do whatever they want."

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Can't let fear of the consequences prevent you from doing.

"I see."

"Did that help?"

"I don't know. I suppose I'll find out next time I have to make a decision."

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Hopefully it won't be a critical one.

I expect we'll get more scenes like this as we go. OL taking a moment between planetary transitions to speak with his companions one at a time. It's not going to fix every issue they have. But maybe the right words can get them back on the path to being okay with themselves again. And sometimes, that can make all the difference. Especially if you're trying for a Golden Ending.

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I follow the Foverercar through-.
I follow the Foverercar through the boom tube to a point-.

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...Were these meant to be like that, or did you mean 'Forevercar'?

But getting paralysed with in decision is worse...

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But getting paralysed with indecision is worse...

 

[Rebu]

"Lightray, what is that vehicle actually called?"

"The Whiz Wagon."

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You know that scene in Monty Python's Life of Brian? Where the Roman centurions all desperately try not to laugh?

 

[moralrelativity]

Did you mean indecisive? You used incisive several times and it doesn't seem to fit.

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I think you can substitue "decisive" for incisive and you'll understand the meaning well enough.

 

[Darko]

Moonrider seems to have a similar power set to pre-beatdown Zeus. What happened in the end with Susano-o-no-Mikoto?

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He became Billy's new patron for the Power bit of the Captain Marcel package.

I guess billy now says Shasam to activate his powers, or Susano changed his name to Zusano.

 

[012345]

Why it feels this trip is more about Paul helping Forever People to get better then finding Indigo Lantern?

And that after he help all of them throught their issues while also running out of leads their quary will apear on their own because they were watching Group to judge them. Or Allfather as thanks for helping Forever People will just point Paul where he need to go.

 

[Darko]

I get the feeling this was a defensive trait against predation that never got evolved out

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So basically playing possum.

OL, are you hitting up their equivalent of Youtube to check out their music scene during a mission?

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We've all had that problem from time to time.

...I though Vykin controlled magnetics? Or is his power a general sort of 'Electromagnetic manipulation thing'? Create electrical discharges using counter-rotating magnetic fields or stuff like that? On the upside, a staff would make it safer to aim lightning bolts

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He was talking to Moonrider, not Vykin.

 

[Ngamer11]

Moonrider seems to have a similar power set to pre-beatdown Zeus. What happened in the end with Susano-o-no-Mikoto?

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He became Billy's new patron for the Power bit of the Captain Marcel package.

I guess billy now says Shasam to activate his powers, or Susano changed his name to Zusano.

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I remember Mr Zoat saying somewhere that although Susanoo-no-Mikoto offered that, some kind of workaround was found instead so that Billy can still access Zeus' power even though Zeus himself can't.