With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

[Chaoswind]

Seems like a far more plausible explanation, honestly.




You're both missing the point. The fact of the matter is that Sinestro-ring has proven that it can leave Grayven whenever it wants, yet it still chooses to stay with him even when he uses his orange ring instead. And yes, he was using both of them at the exact same time at some point, because both of these rings had their basic manual functions (like the scans or the environmental force field shield) fully available and active at all times when Grayven was wearing them, which requires their respective emotions to be used at minimum. Ergo, Grayven was using both fear and avarice at the same time.

Also, there's still the matter of the white light. The white light requires all colors to be used and an ecstatic desire to live, so if one person needs to use a white lantern ring, they would have to somehow be able to channel all emotions at once while also feeling incredibly ecstatic at the prospect of life itself (which Zoat himself has described as being incredibly rare). This also wouldn't be possible either if the colors/emotions weren't compatible with each other.

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Grayven also cheats by being a newgod and having his soul initially 'rebuild' with the aid of the orange light and fatherbox using OG grayven scans as templates. Then his soul was repaired with orange light, yellow light and violet light and reinforced and stabilized with a pure friendship and raw harmony blast.


Grayven isn't enlightened like some of the other Pauls, but he is cheating and is not representative of what non cheating Pauls can achieve.

 

[CrazyNoVa]

Grayven also cheats by being a newgod and having his soul initially 'rebuild' with the aid of the orange light and fatherbox using OG grayven scans as templates. Then his soul was repaired with orange light, yellow light and violet light and reinforced and stabilized with a pure friendship and raw harmony blast.


Grayven isn't enlightened like some of the other Pauls, but he is cheating and is not representative of what non cheating Pauls can achieve.

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That doesn't matter. You forget that Paragon Paul's soul is made of pure orange light, yet that doesn't prevent him from using rings of other colors (like how he used Ghiata's ring), so there is no reason why Grayven can't use other colors either. The composition of one's soul and physical body does not impact one's ability to use a power ring.

 

[Ryumancer]

Should this really be in orange instead of red?

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"I want this guy dead because he's a backstabbing dumbass, and has proven that he'll continue to be a backstabbing dumbass if given the opportunity" is potentially rather orange, yeah.

 

[Mr Zoat]

To the best of my recollection, Grayven only actively used one ring at a time.

 

[Steelplaza]

Wait, what? How does that even make sense? We've seen other orange Pauls try to either inflict or feel those emotions, and they were fine. Why is this specific Paul having this problem?

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Paul aside, we have seen other Orange Lanterns in this story have an issue where when they feel a strong emotion that is not Avarice their ring shuts down.

Here, I did a quick search and Paul is demonstrating to one of his recruits how a fear of having her wing cut off will make the shield construct she created to protect it collapse.

My sword flies towards her right wing, her eyes widening and armoured cowl collapsing as it stops a millimetre from the flesh of her ulnare.

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[CrazyNoVa]

Paul aside, we have seen other Orange Lanterns in this story have an issue where when they feel a strong emotion that is not Avarice their ring shuts down.

Here, I did a quick search and Paul is demonstrating to one of his recruits how a fear of having her wing cut off will make the shield construct she created to protect it collapse.

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Yeah, but that lantern is a noob. Paul has more experience than her. And Jannissary Paul has more experience too.

To the best of my recollection, Grayven only actively used one ring at a time.

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What about passively, then? I mean the basic functions like flight, scanning and environmental shields. Don't you need to feel the corresponding emotions to make use of them? If so, wouldn't that mean Grayven was using both fear and desire at the same time, since we saw him use those functions while he was wearing the two rings? Plus, by your own rules, if he didn't have enough yellow in him at all times, wouldn't Sinestro-ring have ditched Grayven sooner?

 

[Steelplaza]

Yeah, but that lantern is a noob. Paul has more experience than her. And Jannissary Paul has more experience too.

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You notice that Janissary's ring did not in fact shut down. What happened was that he had a brief flashback to a time when he was a noob when he screwed up and the ring shut down, and this time he carefully didn't let that happen.

 

[Mr Zoat]

Yeah, but that lantern is a noob. Paul has more experience than her. And Jannissary Paul has more experience too.

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Not in combat. He's mostly been building stuff while people cheer him on. It's far less stressful and requires different mental skills.

What about passively, then? I mean the basic functions like flight, scanning and environmental shields. Don't you need to feel the corresponding emotions to make use of them? If so, wouldn't that mean Grayven was using both fear and desire at the same time, since we saw him use those functions while he was wearing the two rings?

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No, he uses one or the other. Focusing on one causes the other to recede or shut off.

Plus, by your own rules, if he didn't have enough yellow in him at all times, wouldn't Sinestro-ring have ditched Grayven sooner?

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Sinestro ditched Grayven because there was a better bearer available. Yes, in theory he could fly off at any time, but Sinestro is capable of reason and knows that in the long run it's hard to find a better bearer than Grayven.

 

[Vaermina]

You do realize that the canon of this story is based on the lore from the comics, right?

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Only in the loosest sense, and Mr Zoat has added a handful of new capabilities onto Power Rings for his story.

Has it even been mentioned how he was recharging it at all? There'd be no personal lantern in the image comics universe.

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Yes, he was recharging off of some fixed bit of biological supertech that he discovered at one of the wrecked bases on his world.

 

[thebishop8]

No, he uses one or the other. Focusing on one causes the other to recede or shut off.

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I can't remember if there are any other examples, but he seems to use both at the same time when fighting Mordru.

I'm knocked off my feet, dismissing the snake-eaten shield as I go and raising another to replace it. The sensation of pain cuts out as the fire around me finally fails. I raise my left hand- "Assimilate!" -and an orange beam flicks out from the orange ring, only to decay into nothing a good metre from Mordru's skin.

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I bring my left arm up and generate a new shield while pulling my daiklave into my left hand.

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Two guns appear on my forearms, one a singularity projector and the other a bleed overlay cannon.

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I could see ways to explain the first and third examples, but not the second.