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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Mr Zoat said:
I stare into the depths of my pint glass, watching the bubbles making up the foam on the head gradually burst. On the television in the corner of the room Batman is introducing the first few Global Peace Agency officers to a broadly positive reception, both from the audience and from the few people in the bar watching it.
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There are still bubbles after three hours? Well, similarly to Oh El I've never been a drinker, so maybe that's normal?
 
I know most of the League is busy with reconstruction, but I feel just bringing up what Batman's doing to them would cause several of them to try to stop this.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Gosh darn it, past me. Why do you always have to make my life difficult?

In that case, duel wielding is possible if you've got exactly the right mindset, but your constructs are going to be significantly weaker.
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I think rather than weaker (as shielding has been involved when Grayven fights dual wielding) they should be less energy efficient and grayven manages more easily because he is cheating as a new god because he technically got both rings through conquest and metaphysically that makes his soul cheat when it comes to construct strength vis a vis his emotional state when using the spoils of his victory.
 
Signaller said:
The Lasso can also be used to divine absolute truths? I think that was a thing in the second WW movie?
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And nowhere else? And that was a terrible movie. It compels truth as the person being lassoed knows it, and can compel the truth to be revealed if a person is hiding it / mind controlled, but even with all that and the comic showing it's the embodiment of the concept of truth in the universe, it's never in the comics been used to divine the truth as far as I know.
 
ForeverShogo said:
For a way to explain why Invincipaul's ring went wonky when he tried to promote fear . . . You could just say that it was a clash of intent with desire? That even if he went in intending to use fear to keep people in line so they wouldn't be killed, he didn't really want to do that and the dissonance was severe enough to impact his ring's functions.
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It's more that the way rings work in this setting, the intent to inspire fear is specifically a yellow ring thing to increase the strength of your constructs. It's incompatible with orange, and for non-enlightened users, the wrong mindset shuts the ring down. The same thing would happen if he tried to stubbornly will himself to act instead of wanting to act.
 
Vaermina said:
So... He's not even going to try and stop the obviously Brothereye Batman from taking over the world?

Wow... I know he's been generally useless as of late but that's honestly impressive...
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Dude, give him time. He still needs to go around gathering allies and ressources. It's like when he was planning to take down Nabu. A Batman with a power ring and an army of superpowered minions is NOT something that should be underestimated or taken lightly.

Mr Zoat said:
Gosh darn it, past me. Why do you always have to make my life difficult?

In that case, duel wielding is possible if you've got exactly the right mindset, but your constructs are going to be significantly weaker.
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So it is like in canon, then. I recall that when Hal and Guy managed to dual-wield green/blue or green/red and red/violet, it was really hard for them and it was more of a hindrance than a power boost, because they had no idea how to go about it (and in Guy's case, it nearly drove him insane). Granted, Hal had less trouble with it because will and hope are synergetic with each other, while will/rage and rage/love are not.
 
CrazyNoVa said:
Dude, give him time. He still needs to go around gathering allies and ressources. It's like when he was planning to take down Nabu. A Batman with a power ring and an army of superpowered minions is NOT something that should be underestimated or taken lightly.
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It's also that he's not sure that he should. Nabu being evil was so obvious to him that he was genuinely shocked that the League didn't see it that way. With Batman, he's not sure that he's wrong.
 
Mr Zoat said:
It's also that he's not sure that he should. Nabu being evil was so obvious to him that he was genuinely shocked that the League didn't see it that way. With Batman, he's not sure that he's wrong.
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That means he can be on the sidelines when someone else takes their shot then. I would be interested in seeing Paul seeing a similar situation from the outside.
 
Ngamer11 said:
That means he can be on the sidelines when someone else takes their shot then. I would be interested in seeing Paul seeing a similar situation from the outside.
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Mr Zoat said:
It's also that he's not sure that he should. Nabu being evil was so obvious to him that he was genuinely shocked that the League didn't see it that way. With Batman, he's not sure that he's wrong.
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So, would he take a neutral stance, then? Play mediator between Batman and the rest of the League to try to avoid conflict when they inevitably find out about this?
 
CrazyNoVa said:
So, would he take a neutral stance, then? Play mediator between Batman and the rest of the League to try to avoid conflict when they inevitably find out about this?
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More like be kept out of the loop when someone tries something, similar to what Paul did with Nabu only hopefully less confrontational.

Also, I just realized that Paul could probably commiserate with Dr. Mist now. Dr. Mist believed that non-intervention from superpowered beings is necessary in order for humanity to grow properly. He was severely mistaken about this and is only recently begrudgingly admitting that his viewpoint is very flawed. Paul believed humanity needs to strive to become greater as a species, only to learn most humans would rather leave the actual important decisions to a select few and remain stagnant unless forced to do otherwise.
 
Mr Zoat said:
What do you mean 'find out'? They all already know.
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Even about Buddy Blank and the other OMACs? Or the more concerning repercussions of the new legislation? Because if so, then it's weird that none of them tried to talk to Batman about it, or tell him to dial it back. I figured that at least one or two League members would object to this.
 
CrazyNoVa said:
Even about Buddy Blank and the other OMACs? Or the more concerning repercussions of the new legislation? Because if so, then it's weird that none of them tried to talk to Batman about it, or tell him to dial it back. I figured that at least one or two League members would object to this.
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Remember the Sheda invasion and the anti-life broadcast happened just a little while ago and we can't forget about the world split that ended with hundreds of thousands if not millions of kids ded or maimed.


If Batman makes the right arguments then I don't see how anyone on the league disagrees... Even Flash killed the Sheda queen in cold blood.
 
Ngamer11 said:
Is there any specific reason why Cat Grant is the one talking to Paul rather than anyone actually close to him?
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Because she's a news hound and he's on her beat. Plus he's been spotting sipping beer by the public in a bar for 3 hours, and she likely got a call or spotted an alert on social media about him, and noted it's somewhat out of character.
 
CrazyNoVa said:
Dude, give him time. He still needs to go around gathering allies and ressources. It's like when he was planning to take down Nabu. A Batman with a power ring and an army of superpowered minions is NOT something that should be underestimated or taken lightly.
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It's been 2 days since he talked to Batman and he has multiple power rings.
 
CrazyNoVa said:
Even about Buddy Blank and the other OMACs? Or the more concerning repercussions of the new legislation? Because if so, then it's weird that none of them tried to talk to Batman about it, or tell him to dial it back. I figured that at least one or two League members would object to this.
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The ethos of the Justice League has always been agreeing to work together on the things that they agree on, not to tell each other not to do things or to police each other. Paul has noted that many times, that the root of the League is its members saying, "I'm going to do what's right," without seeking anyone else's permission. That includes each other.

Batman put all of this together mostly on his own, and where he sought help it was from specific people who agreed with him enough to help him. Who exactly has the authority to "tell him to dial it back"? If someone does and he says "noted" and goes on with what he was doing anyway, what are they going to do about it? OL felt justified in acting against Nabu because Zatara had been forced into being a host under threat to his daughter. If Zatara had volunteered freely and without coercion, it would have been a different matter. Like the OMACs.

What individual League members could do is to declare that they as individuals will not work with the OMACs. They will not use the authority granted by the legislation. That would be their choice, though it will be interesting to see how long such a position holds the moment working with the OMACs would save more lives.
 
Vaermina said:
It's been 2 days since he talked to Batman and he has multiple power rings.
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It took him way longer than that to prepare for Nabu. And unlike Nabu, who underestimated Paul and didn't know his strenghts and weaknesses, Batman knows what Paul can do, has been studying him and been making plans against Paul for years, and with access to a power ring, Bruce probably has even more ways to fight Paul now. Plus, knowing Bruce, he probably anticipated the possibility of his own defeat and probably has a few backup plans in place so that his objective will still be accomplished even if he is defeated. For all we know, maybe Paul rushing in and trying to stop him as soon as possible is part of his plan.
 
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Mr Zoat said:
It's also that he's not sure that he should. Nabu being evil was so obvious to him that he was genuinely shocked that the League didn't see it that way. With Batman, he's not sure that he's wrong.
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And at this point Paul is seriously doubting his own moral decisions after what he did to Bruce. Even if he decides he thinks Bruce is wrong, who is to say he is actually correct in that decision? Or could it be another case where his good intentions cause greater problems, like how he enabled the genocide in Vega.
 
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