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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Even if they could shapeshift that doesn't mean that they can alter how hard their body is or change their ability to deal with extreme temperatures, so they'd develop things like mining tools and clothing.
Sometimes they can do that actually. Shapeshifting in fiction runs the gamut from 'only visual appearance' to all out true transformations.

Doubt it.

Any romantic feelings she may have had died the moment he killed her friends and snapped her neck.
Becoming emotionally attached to your captor\abuser is a well studied psychological defense mechanism in humans.
 
'then Invincible', I believe.
Thank you, corrected.
Sorry, it just clicked for me, that this Invincible isn't necessarily homosexual. But rather bisexual, if I'm remembering right, he's pined for both Eve and William. Right?
...

The reason I had the others call him 'Gay Invincible' was because it annoyed me that the canon Invincible who expressed regret about the death of his best friend got called that because he, you know, missed his best friend. He's not gay. He's not bisexual. He's just capable of having friends.
 
How many dead invincibles are there now?
Thong?


Nearly all of them.

The cyborg dudes that fixed angstrom have mustache, and the GDA got dark invincible and Omniman invincible alive, bandana, veil, laughing and thong certainly died, armor and purple skin got to go back home and the rest got defeated with their living status being unknown.
 
The reason I had the others call him 'Gay Invincible' was because it annoyed me that the canon Invincible who expressed regret about the death of his best friend got called that because he, you know, missed his best friend. He's not gay. He's not bisexual. He's just capable of having friends.
*Facepalm*

My sincere apologies, I genuinely misunderstood that.
Hmm, I think while reading the latest updates to this storyline, I was under the impression the other Invincibles called him gay half because of the care he had for his best friend and half because he brought backup. I knew this Paul wasn't in that kind of relationship with his Invincible.
But somewhere along the way, I was genuinely under the impression that this Mark and his William did have that kind of relationship. At the moment I can't remember which specific moments led me to this.

So thank you for correcting me and have a nice day.
 
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I wonder which version of Paul has it worse: Blue Lantern Paul or The Janissary? They'd probably be able to relate to each other really damn well due to their very similar ciscumstances.

Zorina is probably not worse than Anissa, though much creepier (he did not sign up to be a pedo). On the other hand, the crime syndicate actually made things better in parts of Africa and Asia, so in terms of work-life balance.....
 
Something just occured to me: What happened to Euanthe in the other timelines/universes, or at least the ones that are similar enough to Earth 14 that she probably has a counterpart there?

I assume that she's probably dead in the Renegade, Sybarite and Tangseid timelines/universes because those versions of Paul would have no reason to meet and save her, but what about the Common Sense, Blue Lantern/Earth -14 and Mandated timelines versions of Euanthe? What happened to them? Is she even alive in those universes?
 
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I wonder which version of Paul has it worse: Blue Lantern Paul or The Janissary? They'd probably be able to relate to each other really damn well due to their very similar ciscumstances.

Baul lacks a lot of power, but he's generally surrounded by people that aren't overwhelmingly powerful.

Matthew on the other hand has power, but he's surrounded by people that can kill him with little effort.

Something just occured to me: What happened to Euanthe in the other timelines/universes, or at least the ones that are similar enough to Earth 14 that she probably has a counterpart there?

I assume that she's probably dead in the Renegade, Sybarite and Tangseid timelines/universes because those versions of Paul would have no reason to meet and save her, but what about the Common Sense, Blue Lantern/Earth -14 and Mandated timelines versions of Euanthe? What happened to them? Is she even alive in those universes?

Sybarite and Tangseid may have interfered.

Granted, with them involved she may have died.
 
Something just occured to me: What happened to Euanthe in the other timelines/universes, or at least the ones that are similar enough to Earth 14 that she probably has a counterpart there?
Do you mean 16?
I assume that she's probably dead in the Renegade, Sybarite and Tangseid timelines/universes because those versions of Paul would have no reason to meet and save her, but what about the Common Sense, Blue Lantern/Earth -14 and Mandated timelines versions of Euanthe? What happened to them? Is she even alive in those universes?
In the Renegade timeline, superheroes who backed the purge eventually went into the caves under London. Their versions of the Cornwalls slowly and carefully patched her up before returning her to Greece.

In the Sybarite's timeline, Nergal's actions resulting in Wonder Woman being called in. That didn't go well for Nergal.

In Tangseid's timeline, the events associated with her capture never took place.

In the Common Sense timeline, she was eventually recovered during a methodical search of arcane sites worldwide.

In the Blue Lantern timeline, Nergal, Angel of Perseverance, was able to keep the evil dryad contained.

In the Mandated timeline, the events associated with her capture never took place.
 
Do you mean 16?

In the Renegade timeline, superheroes who backed the purge eventually went into the caves under London. Their versions of the Cornwalls slowly and carefully patched her up before returning her to Greece.

In the Sybarite's timeline, Nergal's actions resulting in Wonder Woman being called in. That didn't go well for Nergal.

In Tangseid's timeline, the events associated with her capture never took place.

In the Common Sense timeline, she was eventually recovered during a methodical search of arcane sites worldwide.

In the Blue Lantern timeline, Nergal, Angel of Perseverance, was able to keep the evil dryad contained.

In the Mandated timeline, the events associated with her capture never took place.

Yes, my mistake, I meant Earth 16.

So, in a way, Grayven did save Euanthe in the Renegade timeline, because if he hadn't done the purge, she would never have been discovered by the British heroes.

Also, I guess since Sybarite never met Euanthe, she never developed a crush on him like Euanthe-16 did for Paul. But would Sybarite have even reciprocated? I mean, sure, he's a horndog, hut does his libido extend to plant people?

Plus, how would an evil Euanthe even work in a Crime Syndicate world, anyway? Her morality is already pretty alien and bizarre by human standards, so what do you get when that ends up being inverted on a mirror-morality world?
 
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Invulnerable War (part 15) New
6th March 2025
21: 39 GMT

"You killed-"

Invincible winces, jerking his head back slightly-

"-hundreds-"

-then raises his arms to shield his face as the shots keep coming.

"-of thousands-"

I generate a wall construct between them-

"-of people-"

-which she keeps battering because she has completely lost her cool.

"-because-"

As it starts to crack I realise that more extreme measures are necessary. Construct chains projected from the inside of the bubble grab her arms and haul them back while construct armour covers my body as I interpose myself.

She glares ferociously at us both.

"-you thought you should?!"

"I-. I mean I-. Wouldn't.. put it like that-."

I raise my right hand towards him. "I appreciate that was a big deal for you, but-. Stop talking. Please."

He sighs, but nods.

"Eve."

She glares at me, though thankfully the pink glow has gone out. "What!?"

"Histrionics are not helpful. Invincible has chosen to open up to us. We should consider how to proceed rationally and dispassionately. And if you can't do that, then accepting his offer is probably the wisest course of action."

She… Well, she's regularising her breathing while refusing to look at either of us, and that's probably as much as we're going to get right now.

Okay.

I turn back to the awkward-looking young tyrant. "Okay. Invincible? What are you hoping to get out of telling us?"

"I-. Dunno? Friends, I guess? I mean, we.. work together, we're trying to make the same thing happen… And there's no way we can fight the Viltrumite Empire, so we're just.. making the best of it."

Eve's head snaps back to him "Don't pretend you're not on board with this!"

"Compared to what, Eve?! If Dad was just a regular superhero, none of this would have happened! Hell, if Immortal had just-."

"Stop." I hold out my right hand again, realising that on top of everything else both of the people I'm dealing with here are teenagers. "Think very carefully whether or not what you're about to say adds anything to the discussion."

He nods. "Immortal could have made it a negotiated surrender. How many people on Earth right now have even seen a viltrumite? A few hundred?"

"You keep killing them."

"We had a global war! And after me and Dad won, they thought they could change that by moaning about it! The whole reason things got that bad was because the governments couldn't just accept that they lost, and they wanted to carry on doing that instead of fixing things! And yeah, I know I could have done things better-."

"You could have fought him too!"

"I already-!" He bites down his instinctive response. "The Invincible of the world we went to did that. His dad threw him around a city and killed hundreds of people with him before he somehow convinced him to quit. But there was another Invincible who came with us all covered in scars. His dad decided he was defective and put him in viltrumite prison for re-education. The me with the Mohican asked why Angstrom didn't bring more of us, and he said that in most realities we don't even make it this far. Mostly, either Dad kills me or the other viltrumites do when they get here. So whether I fought him or not, it didn't make any difference."

"Except the one time it did."

"No, the other viltrumites are just giving him a little while longer to complete Dad's mission. Then they'll send Conquest, and he'll be dead too. And because it's Conquest, the guy the other viltrumites think is a violent nut job, he'll probably kill even more people. Or just fly right through the planet and wreck the whole thing!"

I sigh. "Perhaps if we move on to something actionable?"

"Okay." Invincible nods. "Okay. What do you want?"

Ah… "Could you please stop calling me 'buddy' in that really creepy way?"

"'Creep-?" His face falls. "You found that creepy? I was trying to be friendly."

"While I don't know how you spoke to Mr. Clockwell, I assure you, friendliness was not what you were communicating. Furthermore, when you're super strong, wrapping your arm around someone's shoulders has rather different implications."

"Like what?"

"Like 'if I squeeze, your head comes off'." It's a threat pantomiming friendliness."

He looks like I just shot his dog.

I blink rather heavily. "Did you really not do that intentionally?"

"No!" … "I mean, maybe a little bit threatening, but more 'I'm keeping an eye on you', not 'I can rip your head off'." I look at him expectantly. "Okay, no more 'buddy' and no more… Arm around the shoulders."

"Thank you. In return, it seems to me that having the most human viltrumite being as strong as he can be is in our interests. I took scans of the training equipment the other G.D.A. used for their Invincible, and I can set that up for you. I can also ask Anissa what sort of equipment she used, and… I can have Angstrom look for Earths with other training opportunities."

He nods. "Okay." … "Thanks."

"And I can also cough pointedly when I think you're leaning into the 'deranged alien overlord' bit a little too hard. Just in case we're in company."

"Yeah, I-. Apparently I need that."

"Alright." I offer him my right hand, and after a moment's hesitation he takes it with a weak smile. Then I turn to Eve, dismissing the construct chains. "Do you have anything you'd like to contribute?"

"What do the viltrumites actually want from Earth? Is it just..? Breeding?"

He shrugs. "That, and so there are people who can do all the jobs in the Empire that aren't fighting. Dad says they usually wait a generation or two before training people for anything important…"

"But why Earth?"

"I dunno? I guess because we look like them. I mean, if you could get a.. fish pregnant, would you want to?"

"What's the plan for educating the new children?"

"I don't know. I guess they'll probably get tutors. They'll have enough for a whole class…"

"Human tutors?"

"Ah. Maybe? Early on, I… Guess so."

"Find out."

I raise my eyebrows. "Do you have a plan?"

"If the only thing that can beat a viltrumite is another stronger viltrumite... Then we need to make sure that the next generation is on our side."
 
The pink beam of energy hits him right in the face!
"Look, I know I personally killed thousands and committed actions that led to the death of millions more, including people you love and care about. And that's on me. I accept that now. I've looked back at my behavior during these past few months and can readily admit I've done some things I'm not proud of. But I was dealing with a lot, so I don't think I should take all the blame for my actions. Maybe 50%. Yeah, that sounds about right. Anyway, you seem pretty put out about what I did, so to make it up to you, I'm going to let you leave this world for one that is disconcertingly and uncannily similar. This may be your home, the only world you've ever known, and contain any still-living family and friends you might have, but you seem pretty down right now and I think this will completely make it up to you. And if you think I'm not sacrificing anything here, you're wrong; I still feel really bad, and I'll have to carry that burden for the rest of my life or until I don't care anymore."
 
"Find out."

I raise my eyebrows. "Do you have a plan?"

"If the only thing that can beat a viltrumite is another stronger viltrumite... Then we need to make sure that the next generation is on our side."

Expected but spicy plan, nonetheless. I wonder how many viltrumites will notice and then just go 'meh' before someone takes it seriously? Because if it's 1, that might just scrap the plan entirely at the get-go.
 
"I-. Dunno? Friends, I guess

Mark, the only way you're likely to get a positive reaction from Eve by being in the same room as her is if she sees you dying a slow and painful death.

And there's no way we can fight the Viltrumite Empire

I mean, yeah there are.

No, the other viltrumites are just giving him a little while longer to complete Dad's mission. Then they'll send Conquest, and he'll be dead too

Not quite.

"'Creep-?" His face falls. "You found that creepy? I was trying to be friendly

Mark, you're a mass murdering lunatic.

Everything you do is creepy.

Furthermore, when you're super strong, wrapping your arm around someone's shoulders has rather different implications."

Especially when you've killed thousands of people for minor things.

d because it's Conquest, the guy the other viltrumites think is a violent nut job

Funny that they'd see him like that, since if you think about it, Conquest actually is everything the current Viltrumites try to be.
 
"If the only thing that can beat a viltrumite is another stronger viltrumite... Then we need to make sure that the next generation is on our side."
Good plan. Just has point of failure at 1 viltrumite raising a ruckus.
Or Thragg visiting.

No one knows the upper limits right now.
 
Really, it's not his fault so many people are so willing to commit mass suicide. Your strongest heroes couldn't stop them and they have a proven willingness to slaughter just about anyone and everyone who tries to stand up to them. (This Eve is literally only alive because this Mark wanted to fuck her. Literally everyone else that opposed Alt-Mark and Alt-Omni-Man was killed.)

But surely another act of resistance will work where all others failed miserably.

I think I'd prefer it if Mark remained a believer in the benefits of the Viltrum Empire instead of apparently being willing to try to subvert it, but humanizing the Viltrumites is something that works so it should probably work. Conquest isn't the only Viltrumite that's lonely, though most of the others probably haven't figured it out yet.
 
6th March 2025
21: 39 GMT


"You killed-"

Invincible winces, jerking his head back slightly-
Oof. Not sure if it's solely because of the blow or the rage in her voice made him recoil. Then again, he hasn't really seen her this angry, has he? This Invincible does seem a little emotionally... Off?

"-hundreds-"

-then raises his arms to shield his face as the shots keep coming.
On the upside, she can beat on him for hours without damaging him much unless she starts tossing antimatter or something. So percussive therapy?

"-of thousands-"

I generate a wall construct between them-
Hopefully that's enough to get the message through that she is not happy with Invincible.

"-of people-"

-which she keeps battering because she has completely lost her cool.

"-because-"
...Okay, let's hope she doesn't start throwing the big guns at him, then.

As it starts to crack I realise that more extreme measures are necessary. Construct chains projected from the inside of the bubble grab her arms and haul them back while construct armour covers my body as I interpose myself.

She glares ferociously at us both.
At which point, she might well have started shooting stuff from her feet, given how mad she is.

"-you thought you should?!"

"I-. I mean I-. Wouldn't.. put it like that-."
He must really be enjoying the taste of his boot leather right now... Or be feeling a little masochistic.

I raise my right hand towards him. "I appreciate that was a big deal for you, but-. Stop talking. Please."

He sighs, but nods.
Good, he can do as he's told. And nice that Lantern felt confident enough to tell him that.

"Eve."

She glares at me, though thankfully the pink glow has gone out. "What!?"
Are you feeling better now and ready to talk like civilised people?

"Histrionics are not helpful. Invincible has chosen to open up to us. We should consider how to proceed rationally and dispassionately. And if you can't do that, then accepting his offer is probably the wisest course of action."

She… Well, she's regularising her breathing while refusing to look at either of us, and that's probably as much as we're going to get right now.
She's probably seriously considering that offer, I suspect. there's only so much a person can take.

Okay.

I turn back to the awkward-looking young tyrant. "Okay. Invincible? What are you hoping to get out of telling us?"
Good, communication! So often a fatal mistake between super-powered people is that they don't explain things to each other. Unless it's a super-villain monologue, which usually ends up giving away more than they ant to.

"I-. Dunno? Friends, I guess? I mean, we.. work together, we're trying to make the same thing happen… And there's no way we can fight the Viltrumite Empire, so we're just.. making the best of it."

Eve's head snaps back to him "Don't pretend you're not on board with this!"
To be fair... What can he do to prevent it? His father could have kicked his ass like the prime universe's did. And that would still leave Viltrumites on their way, some of whom are stronger than Omniman.

"Compared to what, Eve?! If Dad was just a regular superhero, none of this would have happened! Hell, if Immortal had just-."

"Stop." I hold out my right hand again, realising that on top of everything else both of the people I'm dealing with here are teenagers. "Think very carefully whether or not what you're about to say adds anything to the discussion."
Ah, yes. That magical age when every slightest thing feels like a mortal insult to your ego, before you learn to play nice with the world. Which usually happens when you get out of school and run face-first into regular life.

He nods. "Immortal could have made it a negotiated surrender. How many people on Earth right now have even seen a viltrumite? A few hundred?"

"You keep killing them."
I'm guessing that's usually because they keep attacking Invincible or Omniman.

"We had a global war! And after me and Dad won, they thought they could change that by moaning about it! The whole reason things got that bad was because the governments couldn't just accept that they lost, and they wanted to carry on doing that instead of fixing things! And yeah, I know I could have done things better-."
I mean, they probably don't realise how two sufficiently powerful people can project their personal power against seemingly monolithic collectives.

"You could have fought him too!"

"I already-!" He bites down his instinctive response. "The Invincible of the world we went to did that. His dad threw him around a city and killed hundreds of people with him before he somehow convinced him to quit. But there was another Invincible who came with us all covered in scars. His dad decided he was defective and put him in viltrumite prison for re-education. The me with the Mohican asked why Angstrom didn't bring more of us, and he said that in most realities we don't even make it this far. Mostly, either Dad kills me or the other viltrumites do when they get here. So whether I fought him or not, it didn't make any difference."
Kind of an object lesson in how fucked they are right now.

"Except the one time it did."

"No, the other viltrumites are just giving him a little while longer to complete Dad's mission. Then they'll send Conquest, and he'll be dead too. And because it's Conquest, the guy the other viltrumites think is a violent nut job, he'll probably kill even more people. Or just fly right through the planet and wreck the whole thing!"
Indeed, Conquest turns up less than a week later. And I would not be surprised to find that's a thing he could do. It wouldn't blow the planet up, both the sheer forces involved would shake the mantle enough that most of human civilisation would die. Followed shortly after by everything else in the wake of super-volcanoes and the like...

I sigh. "Perhaps if we move on to something actionable?"

"Okay." Invincible nods. "Okay. What do you want?"
Oh, he wants many things, I bet. Best to start small, though.

Ah… "Could you please stop calling me 'buddy' in that really creepy way?"

"'Creep-?" His face falls. "You found that creepy? I was trying to be friendly."
This isn't really the kind of relationship where that level of friendliness is appropriate, though.

"While I don't know how you spoke to Mr. Clockwell, I assure you, friendliness was not what you were communicating. Furthermore, when you're super strong, wrapping your arm around someone's shoulders has rather different implications."

"Like what?"

"Like 'if I squeeze, your head comes off'." It's a threat pantomiming friendliness."
Like a hydraulic press, really. A guillotine made of his bicep and forearm...

He looks like I just shot his dog.

I blink rather heavily. "Did you really not do that intentionally?"
I mean, he has only really had the full span of his powers for... What, a year at this point? It's not unreasonable that he isn't that experienced with the social implications of that much strength.

"No!" … "I mean, maybe a little bit threatening, but more 'I'm keeping an eye on you', not 'I can rip your head off'." I look at him expectantly. "Okay, no more 'buddy' and no more… Arm around the shoulders."

"Thank you. In return, it seems to me that having the most human viltrumite being as strong as he can be is in our interests. I took scans of the training equipment the other G.D.A. used for their Invincible, and I can set that up for you. I can also ask Anissa what sort of equipment she used, and… I can have Angstrom look for Earths with other training opportunities."
Helpful! ...Well, as much as making the guy who's basically ruling the Earth stronger can be.

He nods. "Okay." … "Thanks."

"And I can also cough pointedly when I think you're leaning into the 'deranged alien overlord' bit a little too hard. Just in case we're in company."

"Yeah, I-. Apparently I need that."
Yeah, coming on a little too strong can be worse than too weak.

"Alright." I offer him my right hand, and after a moment's hesitation he takes it with a weak smile. Then I turn to Eve, dismissing the construct chains. "Do you have anything you'd like to contribute?"

"What do the viltrumites actually want from Earth? Is it just..? Breeding?"
Certainly, the breeding is probably fun. Especially for the males, who can fire-and-forget, so to speak.

He shrugs. "That, and so there are people who can do all the jobs in the Empire that aren't fighting. Dad says they usually wait a generation or two before training people for anything important…"

"But why Earth?"
Compatibility? Both reproductively and socially?

"I dunno? I guess because we look like them. I mean, if you could get a.. fish pregnant, would you want to?"

"What's the plan for educating the new children?"
Good question. I doubt they'll be given any kind of scientific education, given the Viltrumite preferences. Probably raised as soldiers.

"I don't know. I guess they'll probably get tutors. They'll have enough for a whole class…"

"Human tutors?"
I mean, if they want them educated in anything but combat, that might be necessary.

"Ah. Maybe? Early on, I… Guess so."

"Find out."
I expect they'd be watched, but most of the Viltrumites seem to have little patience for intellectual things. They'd probably get bored quickly unless it involved combat training.

I raise my eyebrows. "Do you have a plan?"

"If the only thing that can beat a viltrumite is another stronger viltrumite... Then we need to make sure that the next generation is on our side."
Oooh, good angle. A risky play, and a long-term one, but if they can produce numbers larger than the original Viltrumite invaders...

That could work, but it seems a little short-sighted. So perfectly in line with a teenager's outlook. Even if it came down to a slugfest with the few dozen remaining full-blooded viltrumites fighting hundreds of hybrid teenagers, attrition would wear them down... The worry would be what's left of the planet after that.
 
"I already-!" He bites down his instinctive response. "The Invincible of the world we went to did that. His dad threw him around a city and killed hundreds of people with him before he somehow convinced him to quit. But there was another Invincible who came with us all covered in scars. His dad decided he was defective and put him in viltrumite prison for re-education. The me with the Mohican asked why Angstrom didn't bring more of us, and he said that in most realities we don't even make it this far. Mostly, either Dad kills me or the other viltrumites do when they get here. So whether I fought him or not, it didn't make any difference."
Yeah presumably most of the good versions of Mark die either to Nolan, Anissa, or Conquest.

Funny that they'd see him like that, since if you think about it, Conquest actually is everything the current Viltrumites try to be.
Yes, because the entire point of his character is that Viltrumite culture is inherently toxic and de-humanizing de-viltrumizing even to the Viltrumites. If you glorify strength above all else, then you can't have relationships between two parties with a noticeable difference in strength other than abuse or fear of abuse. Weaker Viltrumites can only expect that someone as strong as Conquest will harm them, because that's what being strong means to the Viltrumite Empire: imposing your will on someone weaker. It incentivizes minimizing interactions with stronger individuals, because the default assumption is that the net sum of those interations is going to be abuse, regardless of whether the stronger party actually intends to inflict abuse to any given person or at any given time. And as a result, the strongest Viltrumites are inevitably alienated from the bulk of their 'peers.'

Which is why viltrumite society collapsed twice, and why almost every viltrumite in the main timeline goes native basically the moment (relative to a Viltrumite lifespan) they interact with another culture outside of the context of genocide or conquest.
 
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The point about an extremely physically capable species not being inclined to develop tech is partly incorrect, and subtler than most literature portrays.

When you depend on your tech to a high degree, you lean into it and make inventing and developing it a main focus.
You poke into every last corner of science for any possible use, not just because you need it, but because society has developed that habit and mindset.

A species as capable as viltrumites (That name still make me think of a vitamin brand, I swear to god) Would likely not bother with a lot of things that we would, but there is still the pressure of war.
If every group is fighting to be in charge, everyone is going to be looking for an edge.

For a species only threatened by each other to develop to the level that they have, I would expect the lot of them to be violent fuckheads.
 
The main thing that makes Humans a worthwhile breeding prospect is how ludicrously compatible Humans and Viltrumites are. So much so that such a pairing might as well result in a pure-blooded Viltrumite.

Their children are "perfect" hybrids that don't lose out on any of the strength of their Viltrumite heritage. This isn't true for other species out there. While still dominant enough to look lHumanoid instead of Insectoid, the Thraxan-Viltrumite hybrids will never actually be able to become as strong as a Pureblood or a Human-Viltrumite hybrid. (Assuming they were both raised the same and received equal levels of training.)

So, for the Viltrumites to rebuild their numbers while remaining "pure", they need Earth to provide breeding stock.
 
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The main thing that makes Humans a worthwhile breeding prospect is how ludicrously compatible Humans and Viltrumites are. So much so that such a pairing might as well result in a pure-blooded Viltrumite.

Their children are "perfect" hybrids that don't lose out on any of the strength of their Viltrumite heritage. This isn't true for other species out there. While still dominant enough to look lHumanoid instead of Insectoid, the Thraxan-Viltrumite hybrids will never actually be able to become as strong as a Pureblood or a Human-Viltrumite hybrid. (Assuming they were both raised the same and received equal levels of training.)

So, for the Viltrumites to rebuild their numbers while remaining "pure", they need Earth to provide breeding stock.

Most of Thraxx's half mayfly lifespan bug person kids ended up being so fragile they splattered on impact with someone, I think it was Mark.
 

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