Advent of the God-Harem King [Highschool DxD/Exalted] (CLOSED)

[Deathwings]

So what are we voting for the Chess Pieces Replacement?

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Oh god not this argument again aaaaaaaaaaaaaah

 

[touhou ranfuku]

"Do you have twenty years?" The bouncer asks back with a raised eyebrow. "Because the ladies behind you, cosplay or not, surely don't."

"Oh no no no. They'll wait for me outside." You smile. "And of course I have twenty years. Do I look like someone who's lying?"

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Have twenty years?

 

[bryanfran36]

[x] Now that you think about it, you DO have a better alternative!
-[x] Magic Sense (the ability we used to find the magical sword Shigure was looking for when she came to visit us). Try to use it to locate the stolen Excalibur; that way we'll be the ones to dictate the terms of the engagement, or possibly avoid one altogether if we can simply steal them.

[x] Use the plan you, Irina and Xenovia agreed on to find the Excaliburs.
[x] Check Manse construction.
[x] Continue working on your own version of the Evil Pieces.
[x] Resume magic lessons with Akeno.
[x] Complete training for Hypnotic Tongue Technique and Hastening Night's End.

 

[Blight Gecko]

Have twenty years?

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In some languages, like Spanish, when you tell someone how old you are, you say "I have X amount of years" not "I am X years old" like you do in English.

 

[Bloodshifter]

Oh god not this argument again aaaaaaaaaaaaaah

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I don't know how, but when I gave you the chance to finally decide nobody voted . Let me say it again:

With 75% done Issei has understood enough of how the Evil Pieces work that, together with Bright's help, he can start working in his own version. As of now the final product will have the following effects:

-Make possible to reach Essence 5 for those who normally shouldn't be able to, like humans
-Make possible to learn Celestial Martial Arts.

The rest, and how the final product will look like...well, I think you discussed the subject at great length, yes ?

Since Issei is supposed to have worked on it in the past six days, the effective amount of time for this choice is 10 days.

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Alexander is saying we NEED to decide now.

 

[Introspective Tinkerer]

How about we just make them colored balls and be done with it. Fuck symbolism, I just want this over and done with.

 

[Kelenas]

What do we actually need to decide on in regards to our empowerment-items? Just what they look like? Or some other stuff like mechanics as well?

 

[wasprider]

[x] Now that you think about it, you DO have a better alternative!
-[x] Magic Sense (the ability we used to find the magical sword Shigure was looking for when she came to visit us). Try to use it to locate the stolen Excalibur; that way we'll be the ones to dictate the terms of the engagement, or possibly avoid one altogether if we can simply steal them.
[x] Use the plan you, Irina and Xenovia agreed on to find the Excaliburs.
[x] Check Manse construction.
[x] Continue working on your own version of the Evil Pieces.
[x] Resume magic lessons with Akeno.
[x] Complete training for Hypnotic Tongue Technique and Hastening Night's End.

I'm going to do no one any favors and reopen the debate. I personally like something with a bit of flavor. Even if you don't vote for this, I encourage you to write up something interesting, or vote for something interesting.

Spoiler: Pactio Redux

Creating a pactio is a sorcerous ritual. Like all such rituals, it has prerequisites.

Prerequisites:

• Essence 34
• Occult 34
• Celestial Sorcery
• Craft 3

Pactio Creation:

• Cost: 5 motes, 1 (temporary) willpower
• Duration: Permanent

Ritual:

The ritual is consummated in a ritual circle. It requires the swapping of body fluids. Exchanging blood works just as well as sex.

Effects:

• Removes the essence limits and qualifies the receiver for CMA
• Grants Exalted training times for attributes and skills (where better)
• Makes the receiver age like a solar does (functionally unaging past prime until close to death, which now goes to the typical Solar lifespan if better)
• Specify an attribute chosen at creation
• Specify a skill chosen at creation, treat this skill as favored for purposes of training
• Store up to the master's Essence score in artifacts that have been attuned to the receiver
• Store up to the master's Essence score in separate outfits
• If the master achieves Essence 5, he may contract spirits to maintain the outfits so that they are resummoned clean and whole
• Creates a pactio card, the features on the face of the card include
  • A picture of the receiver in the first stored outfit equipped with the first artifact
  • The receiver's name
  • A title composed of the chosen attribute and skill (i.e. Strong Sailor, Enduring Survivalist, etc.)
• Once a scene the receiver can activate the pactio, which does the following
  • Cost: 1 (temporary) willpower
  • Duration: 1 scene
  • Increases the specified attribute by the difference in Essence score between the master and the receiver. (If the receiver has an equal or higher Essence score, there is no benefit.)
  • Grants telepathy to the master and all other activated pactios that belong to the same master
  • Optionally summons an outfit and an artifact
  • Allows access by the receiver to the master's reflexive charms or known instant effects a number of times equal to the receiver's Essence score (they are basically channeling their master). The receiver must pay any applicable cost. The available charms must be chosen at activation time and cannot exceed the receiver's Essence score.
• Once a scene the master can activate the pactio, which does the following:
  • Cost: 1 mote
  • Duration: 1 scene
  • Grants telepathy from the master to the receiver (add flavor that the receiver can choose to decline if it bothers you)
  • Grants a temporary purchase of Ox Body (of any type) to the receiver (it might make sense to scale this with master's or receiver's Essence score)
  • For the price of a reflexive or an instant plus one additional mote, invoke the reflexive as if the receiver invoked it
  • The receiver can be summoned to the master once per activation

 

[Walkir]

What do we actually need to decide on in regards to our empowerment-items? Just what they look like? Or some other stuff like mechanics as well?

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Both the looks and the mechanics.

 

[Kelenas]

Hm... for the looks, I like the idea of crystal spheres that light up to show the Solar castemark that the holder/recipient most strongly resonates with in terms of skill, personality, etc.

Mechanically, though, I have no idea. Not exactly my strength.

 

[Walkir]

The last mechanics debate starts here: Threadmark "Excalibur Arc Part 1"

Relevant (IMO) posts:

Uhm, maybe I wasn't clear:

Issei completed 75% of the Evil Pieces. Yes. But that's enough: he already has everything he needs to start creating his own Pieces. Bright is providing First Age technology to cover lacunae.

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and

The ones from Exalted? Interesting I'll help. Those are Creation's Constellations, also know as "Colleges", each corresponding to an Ability:

Endurance - The Mast
Ride - The Messenger
Sail - The Ship's Wheel
Survival - The Captain
Thrown - The Gull
Craft - The Pillar
Dodge - The Ewer
Linguistics - The Musician
Performance - The Peacock
Socialise - The Lovers
Archery - The Quiver
Brawl - The Gauntlet
Melee - The Spear
Presence - The Banner
Resistance - The Shield
Investigation - The Key
Larceny - The Guardians
Lore - The Treasure-Trove
Occult - The Sorceror
Stealth - The Mask
Athletics - The Rising Smoke
Awareness - The Crow
Bureaucracy - The Haywain
Martial Arts - The Sword
Medicine - The Corpse

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[Kelenas]

Maybe we should gather the various ideas for our empowerment items in one spot? Then start by voting on one of them for the aesthetics, and work out the mechanics from here?
So far I've seen two ideas in that regard; Pactio Cards, and Crystal Balls. Are there any in the earlier debates?

 

[Crazael]

[x] Now that you think about it, youDO have a better alternative!
-[x] Magic Sense (the ability we used to find the magical sword Shigure was looking for when she came to visit us). Try to use it to locate the stolenExcalibur; that way we'll be the ones to dictate the terms of the engagement, or possibly avoid onealtogether if we can simply steal them.

[x] Use the plan you, Irina andXenovia agreed on to find the Excaliburs.
[x] Check Manse construction.
[x] Continue working on your own version of the Evil Pieces.
[x] Resume magic lessons with Akeno.
[x] Complete training for Hypnotic Tongue Technique and Hastening Night's End.

 

[Walkir]

Maybe we should gather the various ideas for our empowerment items in one spot? Then start by voting on one of them for the aesthetics, and work out the mechanics from here?
So far I've seen two ideas in that regard; Pactio Cards, and Crystal Balls. Are there any in the earlier debates?

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I remember Tarot, Fate/Stay and Zodiac ideas, but the whole debate flew over my head because I don't care about the topics discussed there enough to know more than that it is anime and some weird mystic stuff respectively.

 

[Kelenas]

Hm... yeah. Honestly, my suggestion in that regard would be to just Alexander to make a sort of mini-updated/vote or two.
Let people make suggestions for a day, Alexander gathers them, then people vote on it. Same thing with the mechanics, afterwards. Probably would be the easiest way to go about it overall.

 

[Stroth]

I'm going to do no one any favors and reopen the debate. I personally like something with a bit of flavor. Even if you don't vote for this, I encourage you to write up something interesting, or vote for something interesting.

Spoiler: Pactio Redux

Creating a pactio is a sorcerous ritual. Like all such rituals, it has prerequisites.

Prerequisites:

• Essence 3
• Occult 3
• Celestial Sorcery
• Craft 3

Pactio Creation:

• Cost: 5 motes, 1 (temporary) willpower
• Duration: Permanent

Ritual:

The ritual is consummated in a ritual circle. It requires the swapping of body fluids. Exchanging blood works just as well as sex.

Effects:

• Removes the essence limits and qualifies the receiver for CMA
• Grants solar training times for attributes and skills
• Makes the receiver age like a solar does (functionally unaging past prime until close to 1000 years old)
• Specify an attribute chosen at creation, treat this attribute as favored for purposes of training
• Specify a skill chosen at creation, treat this skill as favored for purposes of training
• Store up to the master's essence in artifacts that have been attuned to the receiver
• Store up to the master's essence in separate outfits
• If the master achieves essence 5, he may contract spirits to maintain the outfits so that they are resummoned clean and whole
• Creates a pactio card, the features on the face of the card include
  • A picture of the receiver in the first stored outfit equipped with the first artifact
  • The receiver's name
  • A title composed of the chosen attribute and skill (i.e. Strong Sailor, Enduring Survivalist, etc.)
• Once a scene the receiver can activate the pactio, which does the following
  • Cost: 1 (temporary) willpower
  • Duration: 1 scene
  • Increases the specified attribute by the difference in essence
  • Grants telepathy to the master and all other activated pactios that belong to the same master
  • Optionally summons an outfit and an artifact
  • Allows access by the receiver to the master's reflexive charms or known instant effects a number of times equal to the receiver's essence (they are basically channeling their master). The receiver must pay any applicable cost. The charms must be chosen at activation time.
• Once a scene the master can activate the pactio, which does the following:
  • Cost: 1 mote
  • Duration: 1 scene
  • Grants telepathy from the master to the receiver (add flavor that the receiver can choose to decline if it bothers you)
  • Grants a temporary purchase of Ox Body (of any type) to the receiver (it might make sense to scale this with master's or receiver's essence)
  • For the price of a reflexive or an instant plus one additional mote, invoke the reflexive as if the receiver invoked it
  • The receiver can be summoned to the master once per activation

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Okay, several things. Firstly: just an opinion, not meant as an insult and directed at the idea in general rather than your use of it: Pactio is a stupid goddamn system and I will fight against it with all of my heart.

Okay, problems that are not opinions in no particular order: we do not have, and are not going to gain anytime soon, Celestial circle sorcery. So this is useless to us. Celestial sorcery requires occult and essence four, so your requirements are redundant. Solars live in their primes for much longer than one thousand years. Bright was probably somewhere in the neighborhood of four or five thousand years old and only died to treachery. She was still going strong. Possibly she's even older than that actually, time wasn't linear in Creation until the First Age and as one of the original Solars she predates it by quite a bit. "Solar training times" doesn't make any sense. They don't train any faster than regular people. Attributes can't be favored, only abilities. If, when using the word essence, you mean the Essence stat rather than the energy that is spent to use magical effects then please capitalize the word as is proper. "Increases the specified attribute by the difference in essence" What difference in whose essence?

 

[Kerfirou]

Just........ make it into generic table game piece like Go and carved the Solar sigil on one side, with Issei's sigil on the other.

 

[Stroth]

Just........ make it into generic table game piece like Go and carved the Solar sigil on one side, with Issei's sigil on the other.

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There is no Solar Sigil, each caste has its own symbol.

 

[Kerfirou]

There is no Solar Sigil, each caste has its own symbol.

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Yes, I mean caste symbol. It would be funny to hear Bright screeching on how mundane we made the transformation device, though.

 

[Crazael]

I personally don't care too much about how it works, or what it looks like.

 

[Sol Mark-1]

There was the idea of making the pieces as part of a dragon.

Wings, Claws, Fangs..... I forgot the other two.

 

[Alexander]

Why is everyone who lives in our house a vagrant?

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Issei has a habit of picking up strays *is kicked by Koneko*

What are our options in that regard? Some rough outline might help us get the ideas flowing.

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The form? Whatever you like. The effects? That's up to author approval.

So when will we be able to move into our shiny new estate.

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In a few days.

Have twenty years?

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Fixed.

What do we actually need to decide on in regards to our empowerment-items? Just what they look like? Or some other stuff like mechanics as well?

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Both.

Hm... yeah. Honestly, my suggestion in that regard would be to just Alexander to make a sort of mini-updated/vote or two.
Let people make suggestions for a day, Alexander gathers them, then people vote on it. Same thing with the mechanics, afterwards. Probably would be the easiest way to go about it overall.

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Yeah, that's probably for the best.

 

[wasprider]

Okay, several things. Firstly: just an opinion, not meant as an insult and directed at the idea in general rather than your use of it: Pactio is a stupid goddamn system and I will fight against it with all of my heart.

Okay, problems that are not opinions in no particular order: we do not have, and are not going to gain anytime soon, Celestial circle sorcery. So this is useless to us. Celestial sorcery requires occult and essence four, so your requirements are redundant. Solars live in their primes for much longer than one thousand years. Bright was probably somewhere in the neighborhood of four or five thousand years old and only died to treachery. She was still going strong. Possibly she's even older than that actually, time wasn't linear in Creation until the First Age and as one of the original Solars she predates it by quite a bit. "Solar training times" doesn't make any sense. They don't train any faster than regular people. Attributes can't be favored, only abilities. If, when using the word essence, you mean the Essence stat rather than the energy that is spent to use magical effects then please capitalize the word as is proper. "Increases the specified attribute by the difference in essence" What difference in whose essence?

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It's fine that you don't like the Pactio system. I'm not asking that people vote for the Pactio system necessarily, I'm asking that they write something up in some detail. I've seen discussion of thematics, but next to no discussion of mechanics.

I'm not particularly interested in voting for Fate/Tarot if someone can't tell me why there is a limit of major arcana/one per class restriction or mechanically what the arcana/classes do. Similarly I'm not a big fan of chess pieces either, for the same numeric restrictions, the themed power boosts seem easy enough. The pactio system as proposed explicitly side steps that. (IIRC, one of Issei's motivations is to have a harem of at least 10 girls, and we already have more females floating around and interested. I'm not sure I like the idea of limiting our options.)

There was some discussion around power sets for Fate. But I don't think anyone agreed on anything.

Tweaked the Essence and Occult ratings to be explicitly redundant (4 and 4 respectively). Unless I misunderstand, we already have Essence 4, and Occult 4. We have a tutor that could teach us Celestial Sorcery. Thematically it seems correct that making baby solars/celestials should require Celestial Circle Sorcery.

As far as Solar lifespans go, I thought I saw that they were good for a thousand or more but needed to do something to increase past that. Either way, tweaking to typical Solar lifespan is easy enough.

As far as training times go, I think they are running on different systems, call it Exalted training times.

Will tweak the wording some more to capitalize Essence. Will remove the term "favored ability".

If you hadn't noticed, the pactio system can be used as an erstaz sentai or magical girl transformation substitute. I for one would love to see Rias and company in outfits from Sailor Moon (if they're into that).

 

[Stroth]

We have a tutor that could teach us Celestial Sorcery.

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That is one of the five trials necessary to learn sorcery. And we haven't even got that actually. Bright is capable of doing so, but won't without a compelling reason to do so. Well, not exactly won't. Can't. Both really. You have to earn tutelage, it's part of the learning process. And even then he still has to pass the trials of Fear and Sacrifice. Which lets him learn Terrestrial Sorcery.

And then he has to master Terrestrial sorcery to Bright's satisfaction and undergo the Trail of Sacrifice again to learn Celestial Sorcery.

It's not a quick process. It's going to be a very long time before we do it.

 

[wasprider]

That is one of the five trials necessary to learn sorcery. And we haven't even got that actually. Bright is capable of doing so, but won't without a compelling reason to do so. Well, not exactly won't. Can't. Both really. You have to earn tutelage, it's part of the learning process. And even then he still has to pass the trials of Fear and Sacrifice. Which lets him learn Terrestrial Sorcery.

And then he has to master Terrestrial sorcery to Bright's satisfaction and undergo the Trail of Sacrifice again to learn Celestial Sorcery.

It's not a quick process. It's going to be a very long time before we do it.

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You are correct.

Thematically it sucks that we would be making baby celestials without getting to Celestial Sorcery first.

I guess if Alexander is willing to give us the top three things for "free", that's fine. It does feel overpowered, even for this game though.


Any suggestions which will make it feel more earned?

 

[Asurau]

I have just the last three weeks reading all of the threads of God Harem King. I have one thing to say: THIS IS GLORIOUS!

That said, I've been kind eagerly looking forward to this particular arc of DxD.

That said, given that the evil pieces system has been brought up again, I do have a suggestion. How about we first determine what we want our system to do?

A fair portion of every project initially is get what are the requirements.

For the most part, it seem that we seem that we will want to apply it to our Harem, which will have a minimum of 10 members with no hard cap insight. This is in addition to any individual that we determine worth of becoming part of our Retinue.

The next point that pops up is our desire to teach others celestial level martial arts, which is something that only Celestial level exalts (Solar, Lunar, Alchemical, Siderials, Abyssals and Infernals) and Spirit (gods, demons, Elementals and such) of high enough essence can do. This mean that we would need to increases the essence cap on our mortal followers and Harem.

Those, mind you, are the ones that come of the top of my head.

 

[Blight Gecko]

[x] Now that you think about it, you DO have a better alternative!
-[x] Magic Sense (the ability we used to find the magical sword Shigure was looking for when she came to visit us). Try to use it to locate the stolenExcalibur; that way we'll be the ones to dictate the terms of the engagement, or possibly avoid one altogether if we can simply steal them.
--[x] Send out our Ninjas, too, just in case they see or hear something interesting.

[x] Use the plan you, Irina and Xenovia agreed on to find the Excaliburs.
[x] Check Manse construction.
[x] Continue working on your own version of the Evil Pieces.
[x] Resume magic lessons with Akeno.
[x] Complete training for Hypnotic Tongue Technique and Hastening Night's End.

I think our version of the Evil Pieces should resemble something unique. Tell me, what kind of board games were played in Exalt? That would certainly make our invention unique.

Also, what kind of attributes can we give these pieces? I want the requirements for the pieces to be a bit low enough for all of our Solar Half-Caste to receive.

 

[Kelenas]

The only Creation/Exalted-unique game I'm aware of is Gateway, which is never really explained anywhere. I think the only thing known about it is that it's a board strategy game.

Not sure if we should keep the game-theme, though. Don't see any reason for it.

 

[wasprider]

Alexander, you know I don't think the thread has ever confirmed something.

Are we getting anything but remove Essence limit and qualify for CMA for "free"?

Because if we aren't getting anything else for "free" (sunk research time), then I'm going to suggest:

Ritual: Sharing the sunlight
Swap body fluids inside a ritual circle, pay 1 temporary willpower, and grant the receiver the removing of Essence limit and qualifications for CMA.

 

[Alexander]

Alexander, you know I don't think the thread has ever confirmed something.

Are we getting anything but remove Essence limit and qualify for CMA for "free"?

Because if we aren't getting anything else for "free" (sunk research time), then I'm going to suggest:

Ritual: Sharing the sunlight
Swap body fluids inside a ritual circle, pay 1 temporary willpower, and grant the receiver the removing of Essence limit and qualifications for CMA.

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No. Those two are starting features that are already included, and I am giving you the opportunity to add more. It will not take more time if you choose to add more features.