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If you have a skill you can use it even without the job attached. You only run into problems when you try to level it past the job it attaches to. A rank E weapon skill will never go above E unless you level a Warrior Job past E I'm actually not sure how that would work for a fusion job that handles both though. Does Gravelord only count swords? Or can you grab an E rank ax warrior and start leveling Ax without levelling the Ax Warrior Job?
yesIt's been confirmed fusions fall into one category.
I wasn't asking about equipping the skill though vs the item.
The skill boosts our abilities with a category of weapon.
The job allows us to equip certain gear.
If a job would not normally allow us to use a given weapon, will the skill allow us to equip it anyway?
Axe warrior is awful for us. since our melee damage output is crap.If we swap to, say, an axe warrior, and leave the stave skill equipped would that allow us to equip staves or would the fact that fighters don't use staves dominate?
Gravelord.I think they are calling for the Sword, because it is the requirement for Gravelord.
Or was it for the Glacial Lord/Lady?
It was an example. Not something we'd actually do.Axe warrior is awful for us. since our melee damage output is crap.
The 3 basic warriors:
spear = best defense, weakest offense
axe = best offense, weakest defense
sword = balanced offense/defense
If we wanted to mix in a warrior in there it should be a spear, using the warrior part solely to boost our defense while we attack with magic.
I agree about it not being worth it, especially when we know there are more defensive magic classes out there and our stats are so lopsided. We could mix in some earth elementalist for more defense. maybe eventually get barrier mageWe'd probably benefit from using warrior jobs only as prereq requirements. We MIGHT be able to cheese staff/shield if we can work out a spare skill slot, but it's probably really really not worth it.
If we swap to hexer, we better try to find a cheapish vestment to use.
My probably false instincts tell me that Fusioning a class that has a lot of guardians (Either Ice or a Ice Fusion that focus more on sumoning. Or, you know, Earth/Metal things) and Bullwark might be how to get a Golem-armor like Alice was dreaming about.We'd probably benefit from using warrior jobs only as prereq requirements. We MIGHT be able to cheese staff/shield if we can work out a spare skill slot, but it's probably really really not worth it.
Yeah, shouldn't be hard to find by doing Drake Nest D-rank, CL D-rank (Maybe?) or WC/AG C-rank. Maybe even Dessecrated Fortress, though I expect more Black Knight stuff from there.If we swap to hexer, we better try to find a cheapish vestment to use.
I like how you thinkMy probably false instincts tell me that Fusioning a class that has a lot of guardians (Either Ice or a Ice Fusion that focus more on sumoning. Or, you know, Earth/Metal things) and Bullwark might be how to get a Golem-armor like Alice was dreaming about.
Its 25 HP at lowest rank. look at how our other abilities have scaled (they seem to double each rank)At present, +25HP doesn't justify earth elementalist in the long run. It's very nifty now, but HP may be an issue.
Earth is "Great Defense, Decent Control". I expect to actually only get better as it levels for that.At present, +25HP doesn't justify earth elementalist in the long run. It's very nifty now, but HP may be an issue.
I think It is, but that Alice has personal issues with the aesthetic of it.On the other hand, we know Necromancer is a pet class and that it fuses with a fighter class to make Gravelord, which is a tanky mage. This is basically what people want to try with our golem fusions....
Indeed.Regardless, the best bet is probably still to keep fusing toward the ones we know are nifty (Glacial Lady first) and branch out as we level our side jobs to meet that.
We know the class grants a lot of tankyness to the team, and the mage is included in the team.Note, it hasn't been clarified if Gravelord is personally tanky or its pets are, since it is a 1Sword/2Dark/1Ice Fusion, so tankyness is not really guaranteed.
My plan was more Bullwark + Ice Magic: Ice Barrier Magic/Warrior (not sure which side it would go). And then This + Necromancer = Being one with your summon thing.Earth + Bulwark = Big suit of armor class?
BSoAC + Glacial Lady/Winter Witch/Etc = Ice Colossus class?
Yes, and It combines with Halbed Knight for Royal Guard.
If we base Necromancer on what we saw the graveyard boss do, It's very likely that Gravelord gives things like "you leech all the life your minion eat for, and if someone attacks you your minions lose life instead of you".Eh, it was Lydia poking fun or mocking at Cyril, not really conclusive of a proof yet. Nevertheless, it would be -at the minimum- the off-tank of that team.
One issue with Gravelord, it sounds like a multiple pet class.
And with Shimah and Maya, we already have our max of 3. Plus Pet Tamer sounded like she might get the opportunity for multiple pets, and Sera might get one from Earth or one of her other classes.
Indeed, the totem has been confirmed as not being a pet.
Not quite. We know that pets/summons that lasts a single rooms don't count, and that spells are static- their power is derived by the job equipped, by the skill magic level, and by the power of the character (as well as gear). This means our Frost Guardian will get weaker and weaker as times goes so we'll need to replace it with stronger versions anyway.Okay, fair enough. That leaves us with 1 and Maya with 1, and potentially Sera with 1 once she gets Earth up to C (tanky and moderate crowd control seems a likely magic to have it). Then are we just assuming that Maya will never get another pet (pretty sure it was hinted she can at advanced levels), and that Gravelord pets don't count towards the limit?
Yea, I think we frankly have enough petsOkay, fair enough. That leaves us with 1 and Maya with 1, and potentially Sera with 1 once she gets Earth up to C (tanky and moderate crowd control seems a likely magic to have it). Then are we just assuming that Maya will never get another pet (pretty sure it was hinted she can at advanced levels), and that Gravelord pets don't count towards the limit?
Are you sure about that? Maybe you have a quote handy?Not quite. We know that pets/summons that lasts a single rooms don't count, and that spells are static- their power is derived by the job equipped, by the skill magic level, and by the power of the character (as well as gear). This means our Frost Guardian will get weaker and weaker as times goes so we'll need to replace it with stronger versions anyway.
Maya's pets are possibly going to level, and they can also be switched. Moreoever, her skill for it is D-rank, so she has at least 2 other ranking up to go there, without even counting "level up of the pets and getting better pets".Are you sure about that? Maybe you have a quote handy?
I was under the impression that Maya's pets would accrue special abilities and stats as her skill got better, I assumed our frost guardian would be similar.