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Esquestria: The House of the Sun - A pony cultist experience

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Rafuki22 said:
We need a prison for atleast 2 Sacraments and we can't use the ones from the Bureu.

Aren't THE WOODS gone in every HISTORY?
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spiderhellian said:
I feel if combat was required, DoA would not have made the point that it's not likely to be dangerous, just time-consuming.


Oof, strong words.

I'm happy to vote for alternative Biedde actions or focusing Mareinette on Spoiled.

I think it's worse — because I think we may want the prison for one or two sacraments, and I think we do want to get Filthy to the level of a real confidant — but I'm okay with it.

I don't think we have the luxury of time. I don't think we have the luxury of power. I think we need to be ready for All In soon.

I don't think a Doom Clock would be introduced if it wasn't going to be relevant. I know we're training Luna. I don't trust that will be sufficient.
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I do trust that Selene is sufficient. I don't like that the leading plans that have her poking Windy's Dreams before she's fully trained. I don't like how they Leash a Friend for nothing more than convenience, a major downslide from its previous emergency purposes. I don't like how they put Tiara through more of Mareinette's shit.

I'd much rather have a Grail Influence for a turn where we are planning to reassure at least our Friends and Family, as they are social activities of some import. And maybe we'll need to smoothtalk someone on the other side of the Mirror. And for chatting up Eclipse so that Velvet has some idea where Celestia got her Lantern from.
 
I also don't see the point of building a prison at this instace. We have a better alternative to Lantern sacrament and an alternative for Grail. If we need something for him to do, getting a corpse or even building a place to store artifacts would be better (since the ones we stole from Copper are potential evidence depending on how she got them and if there is a reference to them in whatever the bureau got).

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Talon Tiger Dino said:
I do trust that Selene is sufficient. I don't like that the leading plans that have her poking Windy's Dreams before she's fully trained. I don't like how they Leash a Friend for nothing more than convenience, a major downslide from its previous emergency purposes. I don't like how they put Tiara through more of Mareinette's shit.

I'd much rather have a Grail Influence for a turn where we are planning to reassure at least our Friends and Family, as they are social activities of some import. And maybe we'll need to smoothtalk someone on the other side of the Mirror. And for chatting up Eclipse so that Velvet has some idea where Celestia got her Lantern from.
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I mean,we could send Mareinette after the major, ask for a heart influence or a heart or grail lesson too.
 
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spiderhellian said:
I think it's worse — because I think we may want the prison for one or two sacraments, and I think we do want to get Filthy to the level of a real confidant — but I'm okay with it.

I don't think we have the luxury of time. I don't think we have the luxury of power. I think we need to be ready for All In soon.
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as things stand we likely won't have the scraps for the grail sacrament anyway, unless we gets high level grail books and artifacts in the next couple of expeditions, so that's not really a worry.

and as for lantern, we have a simpler alternative in Baldomare anyway.


Really it seems like the sacraments will be, more or less in order:

Knock --> SH --> Moth --> Edge --> Lantern --> Winter

3 to 4 turns should be enough for all 6 of them.

That leaves Forge, Heart and Grail as the ones we're least likely to unlock in time for All In I think.

Heart is not even lvl 4 yet. Forge would cost quite a few bits and actions AND we're still at 0/4, though to be fair we can start working on it once we're at 2/4, so maybe it's possible.

Grail is both distant in terms of scraps, AND it has the worst moral implications of them all.
 
> Powerful and mighty edge name of the Colonel

> Please dig a hole for me

Man you guys are really hurting for ideas aren't you?

We could have him train some Bureau agents. Scout the tall tale hive. Recruit muscle...

Go hunt for artifacts or monsters. Give us an edge influence so we can attempt his Sacrament...

We could even ask him to fortify our house. Or train our bodyguards.

Could have him train Selene too. In general lessons of combat stuff. But I digress.

Could ask him about his "religion"
 
spiderhellian said:
I feel if combat was required, DoA would not have made the point that it's not likely to be dangerous, just time-consuming.
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Better safe than sorry. DoA was not aware about Frangiclave being there so she would not be aware about any additional defenses it may have. It can't be doors or barriers since Frangiclave can not be locked.

And we just killed Copper, what if some of her lieutenants decide that they loved her enough to make a attempt at revenge regardless the cost. Too early to relax with Windigoes not accounted for.

Rafuki22 said:
We need a prison for atleast 2 Sacraments and we can't use the ones from the Bureu.
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We have alternatives with Baldomare sacrament and our personal Grail, time to build prison was last turn since we had opportunity to get prisoners, going out of our way to gather them now would be pain in the ass.
 
Zxzx24 said:
> Powerful and mighty edge name of the Colonel

> Please dig a hole for me

Man you guys are really hurting for ideas aren't you?
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Lmao happy to vote for alternatives. Though I think the only one we can actually do there is scout Tall Tale, and I don't think we're going to have the bandwidth to do that expedition tbh.

Rafuki22 said:
The one that nobody wanted to do?
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Tbh I wonder about this now that we know we need Minion-level bonds for All In… but eh, not worth the fight right now.
 
You know what? I'm updating Spreading Ourselves Too Thin, because I realize Biedde has better things to do than look for books right now. Our Study Pile is already so massive I genuinely see no need to rush for Heart Books.

[X] Plan Spreading Ourselves Thin Always Gets Us Punished
-[X] Do not leash anypony.
-[X] [DETECTIVES] Follow Up: Changelings
-[X] [CONSTABLES] (FOLLOW UP) Your detectives have given you a very long list, of ponies and places involved in the attempt against your life. Round them up and put them all in jail, before this trail goes cold.
-[X] [COMMISSIONER] The Lunar Bureau is not the only recently-minted institution in Equestria. Try to contact the others.
--[X] Eclipse(?), and Midday Dew.
-[X] [JADE] Research "A Memory of Light" (Current progress 0/100, uses Learning and LANTERN)
-[X] (Baldomare-Gift) Edge 6 book
-[X] [BALDOMARE] Channel an Influence. (Secret Histories)
-[X] [AXE] Ask for a Knock lesson.
-[X] [MAREINETTE] Channel an Influence. (Grail)
-[X] [SELENE] Soothe the night. (Her Winter realization. Unknown effects, if any.)
-[X] Needs must. Ask somepony to procure you a dead body from the local cemetery.
-[X] You would like for somepony to search for books…
--[X] In Ponyville, and its… great assortments of libraries? (HEART, FORGE)
-[X] Three extra Velvet actions! (Costs 9 follower actions)
-[X] Something Else (lend Heartifact to Comet.)

The fun thing about Biedde being free to steal a body is that the resulting Shattered Risen is immediately free to Cover Our Bases, letting our wonderful servants go poking around for books this turn rather than Biedde. Then on next turn, said Risen can Cover our Bases again, giving Velvet one additional AP. In short, the typical exchange rate for Biedde yoinking a body is 1 Biedde AP for 1 Velvet AP, and Velvet is a lot more versatile. In this particular case it's more 1 Mortal Book Search and .5 Velvet Action as pay off, but it's still better than digging cells we have little need for.

I do have another plan though, for being *really* focused on finishing up the things we started.

[X] Plan Wrap-Up
-[X] Do not leash anypony.
-[X] [DETECTIVES] Follow Up: Changelings
-[X] [CONSTABLES] (FOLLOW UP) Your detectives have given you a very long list, of ponies and places involved in the attempt against your life. Round them up and put them all in jail, before this trail goes cold.
-[X] [COMMISSIONER] The Lunar Bureau is not the only recently-minted institution in Equestria. Try to contact the others.
--[X] Eclipse(?), and Midday Dew.
-[X] (Baldomare-Gift) Edge 6 book
-[X] [BALDOMARE] Channel an Influence. (Secret Histories)
-[X] [BIEDDE] Kill any Bound Windigos that are discovered. Killing monsters is something you wish to do, after all.
-[X] [AXE] Ask for a Knock lesson.
-[X] [MAREINETTE] Channel an Influence. (Grail)
-[X] [SELENE] Soothe the night. (Her Winter realization. Unknown effects, if any.)
-[X] You need somepony to perform this ritual… (Rite of the Tapestry, targeting Bound Windigos)
--[X] To be performed... somewhere, where you hope nopony will catch wind of it.
-[X] Three extra Velvet actions! (Costs 9 follower actions)
-[X] Something Else (lend Heartifact to Comet.)

In case you don't think the Bureau is capable of negotiating with Windigo-holders in Manehattan even with the heads-up.

These plans get Velvet a Grail Influence, which ensures that our efforts to reassure our family and friends will be as successful as possible. It will also help us pry things out of Dew regarding Eclipse. It will also help us if we need to talk to anything on the other side of the mirror. If we crush the Sacrament, it will help us crush anything social we'd like to do with the refunded AP. And it spares Silky's friend from having to endure the embrace of a lliteral child predator. We SH Sac to focus on finding the key that DoA is unaware of. We Grail Sac to crush all the Socials we have planned. These are two things we absolutely plan on doing this turn and so they should be supported the most.

Then we either focusing on finding the Heart Books we want or we focus on finding the Windigos, wherever they are, and violently defusing them. We can have fun Lantern Giga-Study times next turn if we want. Or this turn if we want to Influence ourselves, I suppose.
 
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[X] Plan We Can Be More + Edge (no Prison)

[X] Plan Spreading Ourselves Thin Always Gets Us Punished

[X] Plan Lightcatcher V2

[X] Plan Stacking up Influences and Raiding with SH influence

[X] Plan Wrap-Up
 
Talon Tiger Dino said:
The fun thing about Biedde being free to steal a body is that the resulting Shattered Risen is immediately free to Cover Our Bases, letting our wonderful servants go poking around for books this turn rather than Biedde
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Might work out as Comet stealing a body and Biedde searching? But fair enough
DelightedOne said:
Uh, why did you not use Jade's house for scrying?

Aside from that it is a good plan.
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Jade can't go back to that house :(
 
spiderhellian said:
Lmao happy to vote for alternatives. Though I think the only one we can actually do there is scout Tall Tale, and I don't think we're going to have the bandwidth to do that expedition tbh
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There are a number of plans that have us personally going to tall tale.

With ZERO scouting aside from what the Bureau did.

Imagine if we find Windy Flakes there :V
 
spiderhellian said:
Jade can't go back to that house :(
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Jade is researching MoL in that plan, she is not doing the scrying. I think Selene would be doing it instead.

Edit: and also, does anyone have any idea how she did RotT without a safe place for the circles? Have we been making her do suspicious rituals all this time?
 
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spiderhellian said:
We don't need scraps to befriend Mareinette.

I want to bring our best combatant and tank by a long shot to All In.
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Sorry, Biedde is not allowed to come 😇

but more seriously, Mares in the Light have Edge 3, and while we don't know their general bonuses it's probably at least +20, so they likely have +35 in combat, which is only a bit worse than Mareinette's +40.

Selene would also by then have +50 with the Best of Two every 6 clashes, AND she can go up to +80 with her realization.

And hey, maybe we could have Biedde give HER an influence for the dungeon, bringing her to ++80/+120 when going all out...
 
spiderhellian said:
Jade can't go back to that house :(
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Jade can't do the RotT in that plan anyway, lol. She's busy doing the Memory of Light ritual.

Which also means that, uh, I'm not really sure who Talon is expecting will do it, since they'll only be rolling the Lantern DC with their base magic?
 
Rafuki22 said:
We don't need them and even if we did we could just ask Mareinette for a Grail lesson no?

It is certainly more dangerous.

The one that nobody wanted to do?
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I have no interest in cannibalism either.

DelightedOne said:
Uh, why did you not use Jade's house for scrying?

Aside from that it is a good plan.
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spiderhellian said:
Might work out as Comet stealing a body and Biedde searching? But fair enough

Jade can't go back to that house :(
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DelightedOne said:
Jade is researching MoL in that plan, she is not doing the scrying. I think Selene would be doing it instead.

Edit: and also, does anyone have any idea how she did RotT without a safe place for the circles? Have we been making her do suspicious rituals all this time?
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Greymere said:
Jade can't do the RotT in that plan anyway, lol. She's busy doing the Memory of Light ritual.

Which also means that, uh, I'm not really sure who Talon is expecting will do it, since they'll only be rolling the Lantern DC with their base magic?
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It's simple really, I copy-pasted the bulk of the plan and forgot to delete the copied Jade's part in Wrap-Up. It has since been corrected, freeing her up for scrying. Thank you all for your diligence.
 
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Edit: and also, does anyone have any idea how she did RotT without a safe place for the circles? Have we been making her do suspicious rituals all this time?
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The temporary ritual circles were still available for use last turn, iirc. Before that we had our temporarily non-suspicious barn, and before that we were still a part of the cult.

Which actually reminds me, @OurLadyOfWires say, would the most honored and esteemed guest by name of Mareinette, beloved by all who speak to her, be able to convince someone that she should 100% definitely have an un- or little-used barn parceled off for her personal use for reasons that Definitely Make Sense? (aka let us use it as a ritual site without other people butting their noses in)
 
Zxzx24 said:
There are a number of plans that have us personally going to tall tale.

With ZERO scouting aside from what the Bureau did.

Imagine if we find Windy Flakes there :V
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The Bureau is… hyper-competent? I think they can indeed raid Tall Tale. That kind of thing is literally their purpose.

The expedition is to scout it ahead of time, retrieve goodies for ourself, and let us plant things if we want. Sorta like we did this turn.

It would be great. Hard to see it happening.
 
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