It'll probably depend on how Luna's awakening pans out, but it would be nice to squeeze Biedde's summoning in alongside DoA. But even if we can't, we'll still have T20 for nonsuspicious summonings
Valid.
Fine. What do you think we should do instead?
And then Comet Feet freaks out even more when he realizes Velvet has 4 Names at her beck and call. It will be awesome.
Directly undermine her ability to actually hurt us? I.e. sabotage.
You forgot the most important resource
Would require a scry and probably multiple actions.Cult in general, sow discord/dissent against Copper. Keep her busy running damage control on her own people instead of going after us. Maybe cause even further cult fracturing, which would mean Copper is suddenly fighting on multiple fronts. Mareinette would probably be really good at this actually, all she has to do is her best impression of the Vagabond
Would again require a scry and is inefficient, if we're going to do this we may as well kill her and destroy any evidence/insurance she has squirreled away
Again scry, probably multiple and also probably multiple actions. And again the evidence.
This I believe is workable but only after we get rid of evidence no?
You keep saying "scry" as though that's a point against it, considering your plan of trying to get a ceasefire would also require a scry, because we don't know where Copper is. And I don't know why you think that all of these would require multiple actions? There's an HQ, somewhere. Why would it take multiple actions to, say, order Mareinette or Biedde to just loot the whole place? Why would we have to steal things one at a time?
Yes, I would like to do this.
I personally don't see why it would require a scry for Marinette to get in contact with the cult and then set up talks, exact locations are required for expeditions. The actions you propose need us to target specific people or locations with the exception of the first and the fourth so I suppose this logic would apply to those too.
I have supported the manuscript action for a while now too yes but the idea of broader evidence was just brought up. Unless of course you mentally combined the two things but then didn't mention it in the thread.
that's kind of a fair point. It's not exactly easy to investigate for Changelings.
all good points, really.
so, quite investigation with the same (currently unsuccessful) methods, or try to find a pony conspirator to actually give us a REAL starting point, but make this more overt in the process.
Using a lantern realization power in the presence of THE Lantern Name... yeah, I get it.
...that is NOT what I expected.
oh, so it's good for two months...
Nah, if I remember right he's sealed in Limbo, and to free him you basically need to gather special items from the original Pillars of Equestria (Starwhirl and company) and bring them to the place he was sealed from...
what? the Tantabus is a creation of Luna. presumably it doesn't exist yet, and it would live in the Dream-realm, not the real world.
We're probably gonna need the constables to do the AP freeing action next turn so by default it's Iron who we're supporting.
If Mareinette can find the cult members, she should be able to find the cult HQ. Seeing as that's where said cult members should be congregating. So then then 2 & 3 wouldn't need a scry action either, by your logic.
I assumed you were referring to the manuscripts when you were talking about evidence, since as far as I'm aware, that's the only physical incriminating trace? Though it is possible that Copper wrote some stuff down or something regarding us. I wouldn't be opposed to changing a manuscript scry action to a more general "evidence linking Velvet to the cult/Lores" scry.
That is what I assume Nevermort meant, beyond just the manuscripts there may be other evidence that Copper cobbled together.
I do like that idea actually. Especially since if there's a Grail Name walking around Manehattan, I wouldn't be surprised if most of the cultists assume that she's bound to Copper instead of us
About the Sacraments, are we going all in on SH already or is it gonna be the slow way?
Tbf, if we want to Confidant Filthy Rich (and not just for Moth Sacrament purposes), we can do that w/ our free social action, so it doesn't exactly use AP. If we do it next turn, we can get him up to Good Friend and Leash him into Confidant to see what benefits he could give us. If it's useful (e.g. getting more bits) we can put in the effort to get him to Confidant properly. If not, he can be Moth Sacrament fodder for later.
@OurLadyOfWires Were we not able to use one of the Gifts to fund the reagent for DoA for some reason? Or did that idea just get dropped amidst all the time it has been? (Is it feasible to retcon?) Because it would have been really useful, damn.
Man y'all need to give the Names some credit. Bird explained that if we have a location suspect, and send a Name to attack, they'll spend some time locating the target and then carry out our orders. I assume the same is true for making a truce (even though I don't really want to). You don't think Mareinette could smell out the premier Grail practitioner of this era?
Thing is we don't know if only knowing the city is enough and I am assuming knowing the city is enough for a ceasefire and for the indirect attack via guards but not everything else.
Iirc Bird said that the gifts are only available for use starting from T19?
Yes, we do? We would have been able to attack Copper last turn, if we wanted? That's where the explanation Bird gave about the Name spending time identifying the target and then processing comes from!
So, so, confused by investing any energy in her at all. We don't even know she exists IC! If we want a Confidant to moth, we should invest in Filthy and see if he's useful, if not sacrifice. Or if we want to go for sacrifice from the start… probably Cherrilee fits (poor Cherrilee).
I mean, technically we do, just only in the abstract as "Filthy Rich's wife"
It's been a while I honestly didn't remember.
Greymere pointed out we could use the free social to raise Filthy and if nothing else comes up we can use it there leaving the Marinette action free to either raise another SL or be sent to deal with the Copper problem in some fashion. Also, I don't have any attachment to using Spoiled as our Sacrament target I just thought people in the thread didn't want to use Cherrlie, last time it was brought up there was discontent and when there is another target that requires equal effort available why not go for it?
Technically it's not equal effort, actually since we'd need 1 action to get her on to the Acquaintances list, then another to get her to Friend, and one more to get her to Good Friend (and within Confidant-with-Leash range), where Cherilee would only need 1 action to raise her to Good Friend to get her within Confidant-with-Leash range.
...wasn't Marinette able to brute force her way through multiple levels? Coulda sworn she could...