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We don't need a reagent for a MitL… and some plans do have 6 Velvet actions, right?
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We don't need a reagent for a MitL… and some plans do have 6 Velvet actions, right?
Yeah I guess. I just don't really expect the people who would want to call a SH influence for the Sacrament actions to not also want to stick in more SH-using actions. I may end up being surprised, though.We don't need a reagent for a MitL… and some plans do have 6 Velvet actions, right?
Whole point of Velvet's SH influence is that it stays for two turns. And doing two sacrament actions in one turn is too dangerous since we may run out of rerollsYeah I guess. I just don't really expect the people who would want to call a SH influence for the Sacrament actions to not also want to stick in more SH-using actions. I may end up being surprised, though.
We can probably do a conditional action of Sacrament if we still have the reroll and searching Canterlot for the Outsider otherwise.Whole point of Velvet's SH influence is that it stays for two turns. And doing two sacrament actions in one turn is too dangerous since we may run out of rerolls
It would also involve a large amount of risk, the last DC was 110, even if it rises by 10 the second action will have a DC of 130 and our bonus with a T3 influence would be 84. Doing two in one turn would be a coin flip as to both succeeding. Even when reaching the DC we may still get a dangerous Velvet.Nothing stops anyone from proposing a "Call of Influnce SH, SH Reagent, 2 Sacrament actions" for the next voting session. It would mean giving up on Biedde and accepting a lower chance of scrying success for Jade's scrying ritual I think?
I would rather we summon the MitL and stick it on Outsider duty while Velvet RotTs for the evidence.We can probably do a conditional action of Sacrament if we still have the reroll and searching Canterlot for the Outsider otherwise…
Don't forget we have the SH artefact! That's +30.Jade has a presumed magic bonus of 10 +/- 2 and the DC to pass is 60
I thought it's only bonus was the +5-15 for studying?
Copper's not held back by morals and things like not causing mass damage. She almost certainly Grail 5 already. And Copper wins an engagement so long as she manages to escape, not hard for a flyer, preferably with the Winter Name but not necessary. She can rebuild from nothing, without issue, she doesn't have stuff she cannot move or replace. Our win condition against Copper is her death everything else is incidental, Coppers is not to die. The chance of her escape goes up every turn, Copper knows that Velvet knows where she is, she might even have already started moving her operations, to prevent the hit with several names problem.we're likely going to try for Biedde either this turn or the next. I don't expect her to get him that quickly.
and we're growing stronger faster than Copper I think. We're one lore short of all-4, and by the end of this turn we'll have 4 to 5 Name-tier followers (Baldomare, Axe, Mareinette, Selene (though she's not at full strength until end of next turn), MAYBE Biedde)
She has one. AND we're protected from EiB, as we can always just ask for more Wrong Keys.
She can definitely make problems for us, worst case is a Windigo attack on the mansion I think, but She's not really growing faster than us.
we can do that without reagents, really. lower chance, but still viable.
well, a ritually-called influence lasts two turns, so some of it can be delayed.Yeah I guess. I just don't really expect the people who would want to call a SH influence for the Sacrament actions to not also want to stick in more SH-using actions. I may end up being surprised, though.
This is actually a good point, and sure, why couldn't we?We can probably do a conditional action of Sacrament if we still have the reroll and searching Canterlot for the Outsider otherwise.
Copper also now has to deal with the Wolfed woods (Ashen Lands? I forget the name), and mass damage is kind of a concern because she doesn't want to get too much public attention.Copper's not held back by morals and things like not causing mass damage. She almost certainly Grail 5 already. And Copper wins an engagement so long as she manages to escape, not hard for a flyer, preferably with the Winter Name but not necessary. She can rebuild from nothing, without issue, she doesn't have stuff she cannot move or replace. Our win condition against Copper is her death everything else is incidental, Coppers is not to die.
Artefacts can be used in place to provide a Knowledge bonus! It's one of the strongest things about them. And especially important for followers who will tend to only have one/two Lores they have bonuses in.
KNOWLEDGE bonus is the measurement of how intimate you are with said Lore, how well you understand it, or how much of its power you carry.
-Your Knowledge bonus is always your Lore level times 10, OR the level of your strongest Aspect-related Artifact available (also times ten).
Yes, you may completely neglect leveling up an Aspect if you carry around an Artifact of sufficiently high level as a "focus", both for Mansus traversing and Ritual performing. But an Artifact is a physical object, and knowledge is not.
That's its unique property. Artifacts in general can be used to sub in for Lore Knowledge bonuses, which is the kind used for rituals. So Jade gets to act like she has SH3 for the purposes of ritual rolls.I thought it's only bonus was the +5-15 for studying?
Also even if the book has a +30 bonus I would rather the T2 reagent go to Jade regardless because the T6 book RotT succeeding in one go would be great.
and also, of course, it's presumably a powerful artifact. I imagine it would be able to break any seal and barrier, narratively speaking. It should effectively work as well as a keyblade in that sense, shouldn't it? Only thing that the Frangiclave should NOT be able to open would be the Mansus doors.That's its unique property. Artifacts in general can be used to sub in for Lore Knowledge bonuses, which is the kind used for rituals. So Jade gets to act like she has SH3 for the purposes of ritual rolls.
It's part of why getting Frangiclave would be incredibly useful for us even beyond DoA friendship, because it would mean that we and all our Confidants could pretend to have Knock 6 for every single Knock-using ritual. Such as summons.
Tbh I'm not sure we will ever find one. Suspicion is a resource like bits and AP that limits and constrains our actions. If a Baldomare search 'only' bought us two turns, I think it'll be hard to get something perfect.Edit: Unrelated to the current topic, but I would like to remind everyone that if we don't get lucky and BtRC gives us more ritual spaces, we do have to actually find a permanent 3-circle ritual space at some point. Just to keep in mind.
Wait, are you saying you want to sacrifice our SH artifact? Because to get +30 I think you would need to do that.Artefacts can be used in place to provide a Knowledge bonus! It's one of the strongest things about them. And especially important for followers who will tend to only have one/two Lores they have bonuses in.
ARTIFACT
Destroy an artifact, and its Level will be applied (with a factor of +10 per level) on the Ritual.
No, they can just do that. It was, iirc, even the main reason that the SH3 artifact was originally purchased.Wait, are you saying you want to sacrifice our SH artifact? Because to get +30 I think you would need to do that.
-Your Knowledge bonus is always your Lore level times 10, OR the level of your strongest Aspect-related Artifact available (also times ten).
Hahahaha no. Look at the quotes immediately below that statement!Wait, are you saying you want to sacrifice our SH artifact? Because to get +30 I think you would need to do that.
and also, of course, it's presumably a powerful artifact. I imagine it would be able to break any seal and barrier, narratively speaking. It should effectively work as well as a keyblade in that sense, shouldn't it? Only thing that the Frangiclave should NOT be able to open would be the Mansus doors.
Studying it once we're at knock 5 would sadly only give 1 scrap though... and we'll likely want a knock lesson and sacrament from Axe first, to not "waste" the artifact study...
...then again, let's be real: we'll never reach a lore at 6. It's just not going to happen unless the quest lasts a LONG while.
...WAITTbh I'm not sure we will ever find one. Suspicion is a resource like bits and AP that limits and constrains our actions. If a Baldomare search 'only' bought us two turns, I think it'll be hard to get something perfect.
Due to a combination of luck (eg the Investigator fizzling out) and some decision making we've avoided suspicion being a concern, but I think eventually we may have to accept some/put other effort into dispelling it.
The Peacock Door equivalent is uhhh.Frangiclave is the way to open the Peacock Door without having to spend resources, so uh it actually literally opens a door in the Mansus. Just not the one we want to open.
That being said going for the Peacock door might actually be valuable, especially if it can teach Vak or the equivalent thereof in the quest. That is if things are they way they are in CS
We already saw the broken Mirror Door, remember? It's the door the Forge of Days broken on her way to the Tricuspid.Frangiclave is the way to open the Peacock Door without having to spend resources, so uh it actually literally opens a door in the Mansus. Just not the one we want to open.
That being said going for the Peacock door might actually be valuable, especially if it can teach Vak or the equivalent thereof in the quest. That is if things are they way they are in CS
... So we can apply the level of an artifact without destroying it but there is also an option to sacrifice it and get a bonus of +10 per level.Hahahaha no. Look at the quotes immediately below that statement!
basically an artifact can replace our lore for KNOWLEDGE rolls (mostly rituals, SOME mansus rolls, and apparently sacrament rolls if SH is a good example) OR you can use it as a reagent.... So we can apply the level of an artifact without destroying it but there is also an option to sacrifice it and get a bonus of +10 per level.
That sounds confusing at first, but it makes sense.
and we can probably find artifacts and stuff there. I haven't forgotten the Inspiration Manifestation magical/cursed book, that's quite obviously a Forge Artifact of some kind.
I think the funniest outcome would be "You want a place with a Level 6 book, easily accessed, where the only guard is apathetic? Ransack the Golden Oak library!"High level book right there. I'm going to laugh and laugh if the "find a level six book" scrying returns "go do some local expeditions ya dipshit".
I think the funniest outcome would be "You want a place with a Level 6 book, easily accessed, where the only guard is apathetic? Ransack the Golden Oak library!"
basically an artifact can replace our lore for KNOWLEDGE rolls (mostly rituals, SOME mansus rolls, and apparently sacrament rolls if SH is a good example) OR you can use it as a reagent.