Esquestria: The House of the Sun - A pony cultist experience

[Arrkhon]

Honestly I don't see how anyone expects to find a worthy opponent in this hive, a small pile of bits maybe(but doubtful, they don't really have a reason to stockpile them) but even the big hive had only one worthy opponent for Comet and I doubt that there's anyone close to that here

 

[Pittauro]

If we get wounded (or somehow get Personal Edge but I think that idea is pure undiluted copium) we get to refund the Biedde AP under the same rules as we refunded the snekrament AP. In other words time has already passed and we wouldn't be able to do Steppes FO because we're further in the month in-universe, but we would probably be allowed to research items we found in this expedition because the AP is taking place after the actions that have already happened.

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I wouldn't call it copium, but it's definitely unlikely.

If I had to put a number to it, I'd guess 10% to 20%. We're asking not just for a changeling as good as shining armor to exist (which is possible. I could see Pharinx be that good for example... or post ascension Thorax, but he obviously doesn't count), but for them to have survived the initial hive assault AND for them to be here, right now.

so... possible, but unlikely.

 

[Shaper47]

but damn, We could bring Luna to All-5 by turn 24 or 25 if we really wanted to!

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I think Sacraments are special and we need to throw her at the Names for them.

So something like having Selene spend an AP challenging Biedde or getting the Silver Key from Axe.

Velvet's good but I don't think she counts as one who is very great. That's level 7 I think.

 

[Talon Tiger Dino]

Honestly I don't see how anyone expects to find a worthy opponent in this hive, a small pile of bits maybe(but doubtful, they don't really have a reason to stockpile them) but even the big hive had only one worthy opponent for Comet and I doubt that there's anyone close to that here

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Well looking at the Changeling and Chrysalis PoVs way back in the "All the Queen's Drones" update, the pertinent phrases are as follows:

You are a changeling husk. One of the oldest and strongest alive, and currently the oldest and strongest left at the Hive, at your Queen's orders, to safeguard it during her absence...

...But like you said, your Hive is nearly empty of your drones and husks.

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Comet fought the strongest husk of the Reaguard, but not the oldest or strongest husk overall. And the big hive was missing most of its grown inhabitants. Now, undoubtedly some of the other premier husks were lost when the changelings lost their ability to shapeshift in front of a bunch of royal guards or whatever, but there is no reason to think that all of them were wiped out. After all, if there had only been a handful of Changeling survivors then proto-hives would not exist.

 

[Shaper47]

and we can expect that the Watchponies hurdle of the Jailbreak to be about as bad on the max roll we had to what to expect normally on assaulting a changeling hive.

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To be fair through we couldn't run away there.

Here and now we can do stuff like run away (Moth), collapse the walls to cause a cave in (Forge), stuff like that.

 

[Pittauro]

I think Sacraments are special and we need to throw her at the Names for them.

So something like having Selene spend an AP challenging Biedde or getting the Silver Key from Axe.

Velvet's good but I don't think she counts as one who is very great. That's level 7 I think.

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while that's true, we've also been told that Bird had no interest in us having our followers get Sacraments until such a time as Velvet got hers, so it would make sense if he wouldn't allow us to push Selene for them until we have all 4 of them.

also it's not JUST about the Name Sacraments (though we could at the very least get her Biedde's Edge, and fairly easily too, if he's willing and applies the same challenge. and of course Axe's Knock, as she's friendly).

There's also the "personal" sacraments. Admittedly we don't know if Luna's personal Moth and Winter are "acceptable" to her. Velvet's are pretty distasteful, though we ARE doing Moth and MIGHT still do Winter...

 

[ses]

Comet fought the strongest husk of the Reaguard, but not the oldest or strongest husk overall. And the big hive was missing most of its grown inhabitants. Now, undoubtedly some of the other premier husks were lost when the changelings lost their ability to shapeshift, but there is no reason to think that all of them were wiped out. After all, if there had only been a handful of Changeling survivors then proto-hives would not exist.

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Excellent use of citing the text, I really appreciate you finding relevant excerpts.

Lets see... Comet did NOT get his Edge sacrament by killing that guy, and he was explicitly described by Our Lady Of Wires as "being pissed" that he didn't get Sacrament during the assault. Meaning that he did think there was a realistic chance of finding a Foe. So chryssy's champion husks were probably just under the threshold.

We know that there was foreshadowing on some of the husks having the Dream that didn't really go anywhere during the Chryssy POV section, so there may be initial forays into the Lores among the proto-hive. Reaching Edge 4 automatically designates you as a Worthy Opponent no matter how many crippling negative traits you have on you, but there's basically zero chance that their top bug has Edge 4 anyway. We know from Shiny that Edge 0 can be a Worthy Opponent just by being a normal Heroic figure. Can an Edge 1 or 2 champion bug be a Worthy Opponent?

Copper Secateur had Edge 2 and pretty much was certain not to have been one (and in fact if Copper had Edge 3 she would have matched Shiny's personal combat bonus but I would have bet cash money that Edge 3 Copper wouldn't have been Worthy, I think Shiny might actually have scraped slightly under the normal objective minimum for his heroism rather than raw stat total)but a husk existing that was slightly stronger than the guy Comet merked that had Edge 1 from the Ashen Wastes... I think I might sign on to as much as 10% probability.

 

[Talon Tiger Dino]

Excellent use of citing the text, I really appreciate you finding relevant excerpts.

Lets see... Comet did NOT get his Edge sacrament by killing that guy, and he was explicitly described by Our Lady Of Wires as "being pissed" that he didn't get Sacrament during the assault. Meaning that he did think there was a realistic chance of finding a Foe. So chryssy's champion husks were probably just under the threshold.

We know that there was foreshadowing on some of the husks having the Dream that didn't really go anywhere during the Chryssy POV section, so there may be initial forays into the Lores among the proto-hive. Reaching Edge 4 automatically designates you as a Worthy Opponent no matter how many crippling negative traits you have on you, but there's basically zero chance that their top bug has Edge 4 anyway. We know from Shiny that Edge 0 can be a Worthy Opponent just by being a normal Heroic figure. Can an Edge 1 or 2 champion bug be a Worthy Opponent?

Copper Secateur had Edge 2 and pretty much was certain not to have been one (and in fact if Copper had Edge 3 she would have matched Shiny's personal combat bonus but I would have bet cash money that Edge 3 Copper wouldn't have been Worthy, I think Shiny might actually have scraped slightly under the normal objective minimum for his heroism rather than raw stat total)but a husk existing that was slightly stronger than the guy Comet merked that had Edge 1 from the Ashen Wastes... I think I might sign on to as much as 10% probability.

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Well we know that Comet didn't use the right words, he just decapitated the Husk out of nowhere. It would be hilarious if the only reason it didn't count was because he didn't say the right words at the time.

It'd be even funnier if the Master told him about it afterwards.

 

[Anjaxis]

[X] Plan: Maximum Lore Bequeathing

 

[ses]

Well we know that Comet didn't use the right words, he just decapitated the Husk out of nowhere. It would be hilarious if the only reason it didn't count was because he didn't say the right words at the time.

It'd be even funnier if the Master told him about it afterwards.

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That's funny but literally impossible. Edge 4 comes with instinctive understanding of who is Worthy, and Comet specifically cites Shining to be the very first Worthy individual he'd ever seen that wasn't a Name or Alicorn.

 

[Solace2117]

In fairness it's entirely possible that only a pony or Alicorn can be a worthy opponent. Maybe a Name that isn't one, though Axe isn't on the list and she is the Name that's not a pony, but probably has enough combat skills to qualify. Unless I'm missing someone.

 

[ses]

In fairness it's entirely possible that only a pony or Alicorn can be a worthy opponent. Maybe a Name that isn't one, though Axe isn't on the list and she is the Name that's not a pony, but probably has enough combat skills to qualify. Unless I'm missing someone.

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Non-Marinette Names dont qualify because they're not fully present in the Wake and therefore wont die for real if their avatar gets got. The price has always been blood. It can't count unless someone dies for real.

It's probably the case that Worthy Foes must be fully people and not just a big gribbly monster, but I don't think it's possible that a dragonslayer wouldn't qualify as slaying a worthy foe. That's exactly the sort of epic battle that Edge wants to see.

 

[Pittauro]

I THINK it was mentioned Chrysalis was "worthy", but I'm admittedly not sure.

It's still in question if a sufficiently strong monster would count. Especially when we consider that at least SOME monsters in MLP can actually talk.

 

[Earth-Destroyer]

I am pretty sure the Worthy Moniker means they have reached their potential in combat. Potential talent is not enough, it has to be realized talent. Course that requires they have a talent for combat in the first place as well.

In the very family friendly world of ponies, both are rare. And finding someone with both traits is even rarer.