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A t this point I'd say Kat is looking very much the front contender for either route.
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drake_azathoth said:If we're actually going to stay a Feudal Lord, I am HOPING Zarana is a good bet. Dita and Chesna are our cousins. Let's... Just not go there. Getting a barony through marriage strikes me as pointless anyway- the issue isn't having it, it's having the money and troops to really defend it. Ezti is a good prospect, there's no arguing that, but her True Faith is a huge drawback as far as I'm concerned. She has skills, but they all largely echo our own and have little application to administering a barony beyond 'beat face'.
fitzgerald said:A t this point I'd say Kat is looking very much the front contender for either route.
Adyen said:Actually, if you're looking for money and troop to defend it, Ezti is a bad choice since she's not very rich and I don't think she's overly armed with troops - mainly enough to deter her enemies.
The fact that marrying her automatically creates a block of enemies makes her pretty much one of the worst choice for the feudal lord choice unless we neutralize those problems first - in which case, we might be better off just finding someone else and putting the same amount of effort into making them BETTER.
megrisvernin said:But I'll say that as Feudal Lord is feels like we'll have to push hard on the Sorcerer aspect solving problems
Actually scratch that. Wasn't there a comment that we could marry someone else & Kat would be fine marrying us with her own ceremony, or is that just in my mind.
fitzgerald said:Yes. However the issue with that is getting the other wife to not pitch an absolute fit over that.
Which given that we know only our Cousins would be the easy ones to agree with Kat marrying Dominic as well.
On that note making Chesna our cousin instead of Ezti was a cruel but masterful stroke of GMing
drake_azathoth said:The fact that Katiana can pretty much just pull up gold and rubies and whatever else out of the earth ANY TIME SHE WANTS... Yeah, on second thought, if Zarana's really on her game I'm up for that. Intrigue can be a very big deal, and we're sort of lacking in it. If she is willing to make some kind of allowance for Katiana, even better, I think Katiana MAY be willing to share with another woman.
Otherwise I think marrying Katiana and getting her FULL backing is worth it. Think about all the things she's been able to do so far with only a portion of her effort. Also, she talks a lot about the value of her virginity. There may be an actual wizardry ritual she knows with her meaty wizardry 4 that grants some kind of empowerment for the wedding. Certainly if they can pool their power together more tightly through the bonds of marriage, TWO people with Soul 4 is likely to be an insane amount of power.
megrisvernin said:Marrying her outright is plausible but problematic in its own way. This is good to use up a hell of a lot of goodwill from our family & we'd need to pretty much tow the line on other issues & make ourselves useful. We'd need a helpful solution to the Dita issue & really make ourselves useful solving magical issues.
bastur2 said:at this point, marriage to us is the better solution (for us and her).
megrisvernin said:If we want to apply IRL genetics to it I've heard marrying a cousin only increases the prevalence of genetic disorders by 4%. Considering that we have flesh magic I think we could probably resolve any minor deformities that did occur anyways.
I forget but will marrying her actually cause a big backlash? Just on the cousin issue not the other more relevant issues. Cause I seem to remember that cousin marrying isn't a big issue in IRL Mainland Europe.
Genetically speaking Dita probably isn't even human, let alone closely related to you. Her personal magic is all hereditary, after all, and there aren't any other blondes in your family.
On that note making Chesna our cousin instead of Ezti was a cruel but masterful stroke of GMing
Correct. The incest taboo is significantly weaker than in most modern cultures, but it's still something that would be a bit embarassing and would make some people talk. If you were going Hero route it wouldn't be enough to matter, but if you're going Feudal Lord it will create a perception of weakness that you'll have to overcome.
You haven't noticed that any marriage choice brings us a lot of enemies and limitations? ShaperV hasn't given us a "obvious" marriage option because it's much more fun to have real repercussions for our choices.Adyen said:Actually, if you're looking for money and troop to defend it, Ezti is a bad choice since she's not very rich and I don't think she's overly armed with troops - mainly enough to deter her enemies.
The fact that marrying her automatically creates a block of enemies makes her pretty much one of the worst choice for the feudal lord choice unless we neutralize those problems first - in which case, we might be better off just finding someone else and putting the same amount of effort into making them BETTER.
fitzgerald said:Katrina other than not inheriting a barony wouldnt use up goodwill or seem foolish.
Kats a full fledged Priestess of Ttoth (10% of the pop) and said worshippers are considered respectable (if a bit sissy in a scholarly way)
drake_azathoth said:The fact that Katiana can pretty much just pull up gold and rubies and whatever else out of the earth ANY TIME SHE WANTS... Yeah, on second thought, if Zarana's really on her game I'm up for that. Intrigue can be a very big deal, and we're sort of lacking in it. If she is willing to make some kind of allowance for Katiana, even better, I think Katiana MAY be willing to share with another woman.
Otherwise I think marrying Katiana and getting her FULL backing is worth it. Think about all the things she's been able to do so far with only a portion of her effort. Also, she talks a lot about the value of her virginity. There may be an actual wizardry ritual she knows with her meaty wizardry 4 that grants some kind of empowerment for the wedding. Certainly if they can pool their power together more tightly through the bonds of marriage, TWO people with Soul 4 is likely to be an insane amount of power.
megrisvernin said:Actually scratch that. Wasn't there a comment that we could marry someone else & Kat would be fine marrying us with her own ceremony, or is that just in my mind.
fitzgerald said:A t this point I'd say Kat is looking very much the front contender for either route.
fitzgerald said:Yes. However the issue with that is getting the other wife to not pitch an absolute fit over that.
Which given that we know only our Cousins would be the easy ones to agree with Kat marrying Dominic as well.
On that note making Chesna our cousin instead of Ezti was a cruel but masterful stroke of GMing
Any marriage has it's own issues, it's the whole point of the marriage choices.megrisvernin said:Marrying her outright is plausible but problematic in its own way. This is good to use up a hell of a lot of goodwill from our family & we'd need to pretty much tow the line on other issues & make ourselves useful. We'd need a helpful solution to the Dita issue & really make ourselves useful solving magical issues.
Arkeus said:You haven't noticed that any marriage choice brings us a lot of enemies and limitations? ShaperV hasn't given us a "obvious" marriage option because it's much more fun to have real repercussions for our choices.
A marriage to Kat (and by this i mean only to Kat) is interesting because of the possible personal power boost and also because so far she seems like the most powerful (personally) of the choices that isn't Dita. The issues with marrying her would be on how to sell that marriage to the family, as it means not making an alliance whatosever by marriage. We'd have to prove to them we have been making alliances regardless, for example.
TL;DR: 1°) The issue with Marrying Kat has always been with marrying a barbarous girl from a weird if allied country, not her lack of gain;2°) Marrying multiple men/women have always been problematic because it's illegal, not because we can't find a harem; 3°) Marrying someone under any other rite than Khersian, especially a rite that is considered Heretic (only one marriage in Khersis rites) will see us burned. 4°) Kat Being a priestess of Thoth makes things worse because of her being nominally allied to Berjoria. It's one thing to ignore the delusions of a barbarous mistress, it's another to ignore the heresies of a allied priestess. We all know what happens to Nobles that do heretic/illegal things that can't be ignored.
Adyen said:Actually... Dita's and Kat's at the moment only has a reputation hit, but no actual enemies. There is a slight limitation on Dita's as we would be expected to help her in her quest, but I think we can personally take that slight hit to our rep for marrying our cousin (in name only) for helping our grandfather deal with a headache of his.
To be clear, i meant a second marriage under Thoth rite, not marrying Kat with both Khersis and Thoth ones.Thomasfoolery said:Also is Arkeus right in his evaluation of Thoth marriage? Because I feel like he's overstating how much Borjerian nobles give a damn about Thoth, and that if found out they'd consider it more like playacting in very bad taste with a mistress, rather than anything real that would jeopardize the legality of a true marriage under Khersis. And it's dangerous more because of the large social stigma it gets us from other nobles if it was found out, rather than actually being something we'd burn for.
megrisvernin said:Actually scratch that. Wasn't there a comment that we could marry someone else & Kat would be fine marrying us with her own ceremony, or is that just in my mind.
ShaperV said:On a personal level Kat tends to communicate through little hints and comments instead of just sitting down and talking about her concerns, which can sometimes be a little annoying. But she's affectionate and playful and a hell of a lot less inhibited than most Borjerians, which makes up for a lot. At this point she's made it pretty clear that she's willing to play second wife to a Borjerian noblewoman if need be, and she doesn't care if that's legal in Borjeria - as a priestess of Thoth she's empowered to perform her own marriage ritual, and that's good enough for her. She seems quite impressed with Dita, and has hinted a couple of times that she'd make a better wife than a Khersian zealot or an ornamental socialite.
Generally, people will want to get married and have children. This is a common thing and I don't really believe it requires any deep reading.Thomasfoolery said:Can we ask Kat why she's so set on getting married anyway? Based on her goals of being the most awesome of magic users it doesn't seem all that necessary. Does it have something to do with the mystical properties of her virginity she mentioned earlier?
Thomasfoolery said:Also is Arkeus right in his evaluation of Thoth marriage? Because I feel like he's overstating how much Borjerian nobles give a damn about Thoth, and that if found out they'd consider it more like playacting in very bad taste with a mistress, rather than anything real that would jeopardize the legality of a true marriage under Khersis.
Falconis said:Generally, people will want to get married and have children. This is a common thing and I don't really believe it requires any deep reading.
Kat is extremely talented, good looking, and would be an amazing catch for any man. It is logical that she will not want to settle for less when she can quite easily bag some kind of minor Noble on looks alone.
At this time in the world, super long lifespans aren't common, so you want to secure a marriage as quickly as you can before you have to compete with younger women and be thought of as 'old' for marriage or strange for not being married yet.
staplesdex2 said:So in essence Kat is guaranteed to be our mistress and be part of our nascent harem? Fuck Yes! We just have to marry a Borjerian noble first then marry Kat second.
The thing with Timis we could deal with him with enough social and diplomatic skill that will be gained later.
There was Chesna but others closed that route. We just have to pass some social skills to get any Borjerian noble wife Dominic marries to have her accept the mistress and harem thing.megrisvernin said:It's questionable what other Borjerian noble would be alright with it. Kat is going to be threatening to most of them.
ShaperV said:The Church of Khersis treats their alliance with the Egyptian pantheon a lot more seriously than they do the nominal one with Inovia, because Egypt is a lot more respectable. Egypt has stood essentially unchanged for thousands of years as tides of conflict have washed around it, and the place is a major center of culture in addition to being a world power. So while Borjerians think Egyptians are pretty decadent, they can't just dismiss them as barbarians they way they would other foreigners.
One of the better ways to defuse that would be to make sure Kat is publicly known and recognized as an authentic Egyptian wizard before then. The Egyptian Magi (as their organization is called) are the most respected practitioners of magic in the Western world, and it's hard for even a Khersian zealot to accuse one of witchcraft and be taken seriously. So then if your relationship comes out most nobles will see it as a cynical political ploy to secure the services of an incredibly valuable resource, which would make it a lot less scandalous.
Of course, the problem with that is it means advertising the fact that Kat works for you, which means Timis will find out and everyone will hear what happened to his son. Legally there's nothing Timis can do as long as Kat is on your land and under your protection (well, nothing short of invading you). But there would be quite a public relations fight, and depending on how that goes it could seriously hurt your reputation or that of your family.
megrisvernin said:It's questionable what other Borjerian noble would be alright with it. Kat is going to be threatening to most of them.
staplesdex2 said:There was Chesna but others closed that route. We just have to pass some social skills to get any Borjerian noble wife Dominic marries to have her accept the mistress and harem thing.