Governor's Gambit - Star Wars SI into Imperial Governor

[CanYouMeme]

While I think it was not needed, @Freefaller , I do appreciate you trying to establish that Holdo was indeed a twit and the Hyperspace kamikaze thing isn't going to be a factor in your stories. I'm annoyed that so many people are jumping the gun and missing the subtext of what you're doing, even if I ultimately chose to upvote some of them.

That Pink lady was just a useless Disney Mary Sue that can't do no wrong just to push KK agenda. Just like Rey, Disney ruined Star Wars

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Hey. Rey wasn't THAT bad.

Yes, she learned things that take Jedi years in a matter of days, yes that's kinda cringe.Yes, her coming up with a fix for the Falcon when Han couldn't is a bit unlikely, but she did have SOME tech experience and Han is by that point old and set in his ways. Yes, she should have been torn apart by Kylo Ren, a former student of Luke Skywalker and experienced Sith, in a 1v1 duel.

But that was all just the first movie. There was plenty of time to fix it in followup movies had Rian Johnson not been a hack.

The mind trick could have been explained as a natural talent, with her struggling more with telekinesis or other basic powers. Even played into the part of her being Palpatines grandkid down the line with a natural proclivity to mind control that could've been played to lure her to the Dark Side. If, ya know, they hadn't waited until the third act of the final movie to drop that bit.

Allll they had to do, to make people like her, was humble her a bit in film 8. Make her work for it, genuinely suffer a bit, maybe lose a hand as all great Star Wars protagonists do.

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The actual, functional definition of a Mary Sue/Marty Stu, going all the way back to the OG Star Trek caricature that lampooned the whole trend in the first place, is "A character who violates one or more of a setting's rules to their own benefit in a way that does not benefit other characters."

This is what pisses people off about Rey, because she is extremely flagrantly a Mary Sue...
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Except Disney shitcanned anything and everything that would get in the way of their nonsense.

Pretending the actual problem isn't a problem through the clumsiest possible legalistic weasel-speaking office politics they could have done.

Can't break the rules if we have no rules, amirite?

Like many characters, Rey was a significantly sub-par but potentially salvageable entity who was made much worse by continual doubling down and wilfull ignorance.

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But anyways, it's going to be interesting if this is what's finally needed for our plucky Governor to start delegating more. Although given that this is probably a test to see if this rags-to-riches is a fluke or an actual capability, I would be interested to see if he gets saddled with a minder.

 

[Hilight]

You could have just not brought this debate up you know?

But since it is, this explanation just makes Holdo a goddamn moron. Like, absolutely brain dead for even thinking it COULD work.

There just ISNT an explanation that makes sense.

If hyper-ramming is at all a viable strategy, it would see use. Because a snubfighter scale hyperdrive is always going to be many tines cheaper than any ship you kill with the method.

If it isn't viable because of the odds, Holdo becomes an idiot for even trying what had to be one in a million odds.

If it only works because of the hyperspace tracking doodad, Holdo either has no idea it exists, which circles back around to being an idiot, or has to explain why she didn't sacrifice any of the three ships she started with to kill the single most powerful ship in the First Orders arsenal. (And frankly she probably should have tried to do it regardless once fuel ran low since they were scrap anyways.)

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Yeah, there are a lot of reasons why most people don't even bring up the "Holdo Maneuver" in star wars fics. Either it works and everyone is dumb for not using it more often, or it's a literal 1 in a million chance and it's mor likely Holdo was trying to run away than throw the ship away in a fruitless gesture. Better to just leave it as though it has never existed at all.

 

[Ampharos_Lord]

meaning I can use one or two along with a squad or two, allowing for .

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[Gluttz]

I will always hat the they changed the Yuuzhan Vong to grisk.

 

[auraofcalm]

First rule of Star Wars fanfic. Do not acknowledge Disney canon. It was just him thinking about it casually so maybe it's alright. XD

 

[Viking_Berzerker]

First rule of Star Wars fanfic. Do not acknowledge Disney canon. It was just him thinking about it casually so maybe it's alright. XD

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What about Andor, The Mandalorian, Rouge One, Rebels, Jedi- Fallen Order and Survivor, EA Battlefront II, Bad Batch and the last Clone Wars season? All of this is happening before the sequel trilogi too.

Not everting from Disney-canon is shit and some of it is already canon to this like Rebels. The speeches from Andor gives me the good goosebumps and "One way out" gives me tears.

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[auraofcalm]

What about Andor, The Mandalorian, Rouge One, Rebels, Jedi- Fallen Order and Survivor, EA Battlefront II, Bad Batch and the last Clone Wars season?

Not everting from Disney-canon is shit and some of it is already canon to this like Rebels. The speeches from Andor gives me the good goosebumps and "One way out" gives me tears.

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I'm on the fence sometimes between "pick and choose what little good stuff there is" and "tainted by association."

 

[Viking_Berzerker]

I'm on the fence sometimes between "pick and choose what little good stuff there is" and "tainted by association."

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"Tainted by association," eh. How New Republic of you.
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Only a sith deals in absolute.

In all seriousness you could just think of Disney as an irresponsible IP holder and not the actual artist behind the art.

 

[Xintax]

What gets people's blood boiling over the sequels is just how much potential they had before they screwed it all up. They had some decent broad/generalized ideas however they couldn't execute those ideas worth a shit.

They already had the novels/books to do the majority of the wider world/setting building but completely ignored all of it (likely because of intellectual rights and other legal nonsense though they could have taken bits and pieces at the very least!) so they decided to make their own... thats fine and all, but they seemed to work from a point of view of 'this would look cool', instead of this would make a strong narrative statement and xyz would be logical reasoning why this does or doesnt happen within setting. It's this dissonance that really makes everything feel off with the sequels. Like you can clearly tell that Hollywood threw enough money at it to make it look good but they just didn't put in the foundation to really attempt what they did.

Like Fin starting out as a stormtrooper that was actually a really good idea, trying to humanize and actually present the stormtroopers as being actual people, instead of just another faceless drone was a good idea...but as you watch the movies that motivation falls away almost immediately. It felt half assed, then you have so many moments where you have the tension building up only for someone to make a quip ruining the tension without a satisfying payoff.

 

[Mistroz]

excellent chapter.

 

[Meriksw]

Only after torturing the two crime lords did we gain access. Funnily enough, they actually loved each other, and only agreed to talk once we tossed them in the same room and started threatening to kill one of the other wouldn't squeal. Guess even pirates can love, huh?

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"Where are the pirate bases?!"

The Governor's possible reaction when Grand Admiral Thrawn contacts him:

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Forgot to say this earlier, but Grand Admiral Thrawn contacting Las can be a double edged sword. On one hand, Las can possibly get some needed support or even get a valuable ally who can help him out. On the other hand, this can attract unwanted attention to him like Thrawn's political enemies or even "certain important and canon characters". But hey, Las has been pretty lucky so far.

I also now I can't help but funnily think that Las might now practically be mood kindred with a certain "Warmaster of Chaos" at this point, though I may be wrong. Either way, thanks for the great chapter!

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You cannot avoid the call of the Plot, Las. It knows where you live!

 

[Darth-Vulturnus]

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Yep. The Force Awakens was derivative and a bit ham-fisted in terms of maybe being a bit too much of a rehash of A New Hope, but derivative doesn't necessarily mean bad. Given how much the prequels were memed on for how different they were to the original trilogy in terms of themes and looks, I think most of us were willing to give Disney a fair shake when TFA released. It wasn't perfect and there were definitely issues, but trying to recapture the magic of the originals wasn't necessarily a bad direction for them to be attempting. Yes, it suffers from the Marvelization of movies, where any seriousness is ruined by characters making quips, but as far as things go it was very much "maybe not as good as it could be, but I wouldn't call it bad."

But then The Last Jedi came out and became the delayed flop.

At this point it was clear that Disney did not have a plan. We all like to dunk on Kathleen Kennedy for her part in it, but it also came out later that Rian Johnson and J.J. Abrams dislike each other immensely and that Johnson was throwing out every plot hook Abrams had set up for the sake of personal spite, which meant worse than no plan. Johnson was released from the project, Abrams was brought back, but he has to deal with all the crap that Johnson left him. Is Abrams amazing? Eh, I generally consider Abrams to be 'generic/store brand Spielberg,' but I do have faith in his ability to tell a cohesive story when given the whole thing.

 

[Rustic]

Ahhh right the grysk, wonder if that'll kick Las into full research and war development mode.

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I'd like to see him get more involved with creating a respectable ground force training facilities. Maybe with the thought. education will cost him money. I know he has started down that path.
I think i would like it more if he gets a bit ambushed with a request for more funding. He signs it away and suddenly he has one of the absolute best infantry training facility for the imperial. With the grapevine informing other infantry commanders and somehow recruits come to his planet for training. With officers coming to retrieve trained ground crew.
Same with his beat cops and investigation units.
Then id like to see him purchase more construction rights to other imperial equipment. So his own yards can build them. Like that huge armored transport they just looked at. That would be super useful down the line.

 

[Rustic]

I will always hat the they changed the Yuuzhan Vong to grisk.

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What.. they are the same thing? They shouldn't be. The outer regions have plenty of dark evil societies they didn't need to do that. Hell make the grisk the same species as the slavers they stumbled on in the outland project with those dark jedi.

 

[swtoring]

What.. they are the same thing? They shouldn't be. The outer regions have plenty of dark evil societies they didn't need to do that. Hell make the grisk the same species as the slavers they stumbled on in the outland project with those dark jedi.

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They are different species but they serve the same role in context of his character, they are an existencial threat to the ChissAscendancy and they're the reason for Thrawn departing for the empire to get help in cannon much like the Vong are in legends

 

[EVA UNIT 13]

This is going to take awhile but since it was brought up in the last chapter I figured I would explain why it actually isn't as dumb as it seems. Aswell as breaking Star Wars Lore.
So- How the hell is that hyperspace ramming in this case isn't as dumb as people think?
Well, first off we have a similar ship and other examples in universe that effects hyperspace (or somewhat). The Immobilizer 418 Interdictor Cruiser. Now, there's two different variations somewhat. A: One where it 'fakes' a planetary bodies gravity field and activates the failsafes in a 'area of space' for ships to 'fall' out of hyperspace before reaching the 'planetary' body the Interdictor is placing. B: The version where it literally deploys a gravity field strong enough to literally pull ships out of hyperspace AKA: the version seen in new canon in SW Rebels. Now you're probably asking- "EVA what in the fuck does this have to do with the the Last Jedi ram?"

It's simple, just like how Interdictor's effect ships approaching a system and pulling them out or causing them to not be able to retreat. The Supremacy had a similar device, but instead of trapping the ships in-system, could calculate all the possible routes on the fly with no significant delay between calculations and the enemy retreating and gaining more ground before the calculations could be used to re-engage. Now, what does this have to do with anything? Because, The Supremacy was equipped with a chamber constantly in hyperspace. Why does this matter? Because if it didn't, the Raddus would not have been able to ram the Supremacy once the Raddus entered hyperspace. The device used to track ships through hyperpsace was possible with a specific part of the ship being in a constant state of hyperpace at all times.

Thus, when the Raddus went for the ram and targeted the Supremacy it didn't hit the ship in real space. It hit the 'hyperspace shadow' the ship was constantly making. Making the Raddus to be attracted to it like a magent. Now, don't get me wrong. Even if all of this so far was true, I feel confident that if it was anything smaller than the Raddus with less powerful Mon-cala shields. mass and size, I highly doubt it would have caused the amount of damage it did. When the Raddus hit the Supremacy and when the hyperdrive of the Raddus and the device on the Supremacy were destroyed in the instant the Raddus did the ram just as fast it fell out of hyperspace at realativistic speeds causing mass shrapnel to the ships behind as-seen in the movie. It's sorta the same as when you shoot a shotgun but instead of the buckshot being immediate out the barrel, it doesn't spall until it initially makes contact with a object or wall, in this instance-The Supremacy.

Now, knowing all the circumstances behind this is it still feasible in universe on a widescale? Fuck no, Holdo got extremly fucking lucky with multiple variables at play. Be it the pure size of the ship she was using, the size of The Supremacy as a target, the device specifically used as a 'hyperspace anchor' constantly in hyperspace making the ram possible when the Raddus jumped. There are various factors why this was only possible at this moment, at this point, at that time. Now, that shot we get in Rise of SKywalker with a hyperspace rammed First Order SD? I have no fucking idea.
Thank you for coming to my TED-Talk

 

[Roaming_Guardian]

This is going to take awhile but since it was brought up in the last chapter I figured I would explain why it actually isn't as dumb as it seems. Aswell as breaking Star Wars Lore.
So- How the hell is that hyperspace ramming in this case isn't as dumb as people think?
Well, first off we have a similar ship and other examples in universe that effects hyperspace (or somewhat). The Immobilizer 418 Interdictor Cruiser. Now, there's two different variations somewhat. A: One where it 'fakes' a planetary bodies gravity field and activates the failsafes in a 'area of space' for ships to 'fall' out of hyperspace before reaching the 'planetary' body the Interdictor is placing. B: The version where it literally deploys a gravity field strong enough to literally pull ships out of hyperspace AKA: the version seen in new canon in SW Rebels. Now you're probably asking- "EVA what in the fuck does this have to do with the the Last Jedi ram?"

It's simple, just like how Interdictor's effect ships approaching a system and pulling them out or causing them to not be able to retreat. The Supremacy had a similar device, but instead of trapping the ships in-system, could calculate all the possible routes on the fly with no significant delay between calculations and the enemy retreating and gaining more ground before the calculations could be used to re-engage. Now, what does this have to do with anything? Because, The Supremacy was equipped with a chamber constantly in hyperspace. Why does this matter? Because if it didn't, the Raddus would not have been able to ram the Supremacy once the Raddus entered hyperspace. The device used to track ships through hyperpsace was possible with a specific part of the ship being in a constant state of hyperpace at all times.

Thus, when the Raddus went for the ram and targeted the Supremacy it didn't hit the ship in real space. It hit the 'hyperspace shadow' the ship was constantly making. Making the Raddus to be attracted to it like a magent. Now, don't get me wrong. Even if all of this so far was true, I feel confident that if it was anything smaller than the Raddus with less powerful Mon-cala shields. mass and size, I highly doubt it would have caused the amount of damage it did. When the Raddus hit the Supremacy and when the hyperdrive of the Raddus and the device on the Supremacy were destroyed in the instant the Raddus did the ram just as fast it fell out of hyperspace at realativistic speeds causing mass shrapnel to the ships behind as-seen in the movie. It's sorta the same as when you shoot a shotgun but instead of the buckshot being immediate out the barrel, it doesn't spall until it initially makes contact with a object or wall, in this instance-The Supremacy.

Now, knowing all the circumstances behind this is it still feasible in universe on a widescale? Fuck no, Holdo got extremly fucking lucky with multiple variables at play. Be it the pure size of the ship she was using, the size of The Supremacy as a target, the device specifically used as a 'hyperspace anchor' constantly in hyperspace making the ram possible when the Raddus jumped. There are various factors why this was only possible at this moment, at this point, at that time. Now, that shot we get in Rise of SKywalker with a hyperspace rammed First Order SD? I have no fucking idea.
Thank you for coming to my TED-Talk

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And Holdo knew about this how? This is an edge case beyond all edge cases. The kind of thing nerds in research departments theorize about when they're bored.

Not something a military officer, doubly so one from a barely funded PMC, would likely know of off hand. And then she also has to know that the Supremacy had the hyperspace tracker, which I don't believe any of them did given how confused they all were about being followed.



And if she DID know. And if the Raddus really was the only ship with sufficient mass or whatever, why not then ditch the Raddus for the two escort ships? They demonstrably had enough of those GR75-like transports for the entire crew of all three ships. Why not sacrifice the cruiser to save their personnel?

 

[EVA UNIT 13]

And Holdo knew about this how? This is an edge case beyond all edge cases. The kind of thing nerds in research departments theorize about when they're bored.

Not something a military officer, doubly so one from a barely funded PMC, would likely know of off hand. And then she also has to know that the Supremacy had the hyperspace tracker, which I don't believe any of them did given how confused they all were about being followed.



And if she DID know. And if the Raddus really was the only ship with sufficient mass or whatever, why not then ditch the Raddus for the two escort ships? They demonstrably had enough of those GR75-like transports for the entire crew of all three ships. Why not sacrifice the cruiser to save their personnel?

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The fact is She didn't she had no way of knowing it would work or not, in all likely hood she thought of it on the fly and figured if she was going to use the Raddus in any possible way with only her and a ship of that size, that was when she thought she could do it.

A ship the size of The Supremacy? A ship the size of the Raddus? She had no-way to know that if she went into hyperspace she would just overshoot and jump behind the Supremacy right into the fleet behind it, or jump too late and ram into the particle shields and do nothing.

All it took was to think of that idea. Right at that moment, would it work? maybe, maybe not. But she took the gamble, because there is never a absolute zero chance of something. There's always that one possibility, all she needed was that one shot.

Now, I'm not saying that excuses the scene of it still being unbelievable and one-in-a-trillion, all I'm saying is that it isn't impossible. With the arguments you are making? They are entirely valid. Maybe they could in-fact do the same with their smaller escorts, maybe they could have evacuated the Raddus and move into the smaller ships, and use the Raddus how it was shown way sooner. However with the amount of fuel they had in all of said ships at the end or even right at the moment The Supremacy jumped in, they were already red-lining it on fuel reserves. Limiting what they could do with said ships.

 

[Vodoo_Woodpecker]

Thanks for the chapter.

A second system? What a headache.

Now, could someone remind me how much time the OC has before his mother would check on his progress as a governor?

 

[Xintax]

Thanks for the chapter.

A second system? What a headache.

Now, could someone remind me how much time the OC has before his mother would check on his progress as a governor?

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1 year or so left.

 

[Roaming_Guardian]

The fact is She didn't she had no way of knowing it would work or not, in all likely hood she thought of it on the fly and figured if she was going to use the Raddus in any possible way with only her and a ship of that size, that was when she thought she could do it.

A ship the size of The Supremacy? A ship the size of the Raddus? She had no-way to know that if she went into hyperspace she would just overshoot and jump behind the Supremacy right into the fleet behind it, or jump too late and ram into the particle shields and do nothing.

All it took was to think of that idea. Right at that moment, would it work? maybe, maybe not. But she took the gamble, because there is never a absolute zero chance of something. There's always that one possibility, all she needed was that one shot.

Now, I'm not saying that excuses the scene of it still being unbelievable and one-in-a-trillion, all I'm saying is that it isn't impossible. With the arguments you are making? They are entirely valid. Maybe they could in-fact do the same with their smaller escorts, maybe they could have evacuated the Raddus and move into the smaller ships, and use the Raddus how it was shown way sooner. However with the amount of fuel they had in all of said ships at the end or even right at the moment The Supremacy jumped in, they were already red-lining it on fuel reserves. Limiting what they could do with said ships.

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Okay, so we are actually on the same page.

The most generous interpretation possible is that Holdo is a blithering fucking idiot. Who should not have been trusted to rum an automatic speeder wash, let alone a fleet.

 

[OrderedOrb]

This is going to take awhile but since it was brought up in the last chapter I figured I would explain why it actually isn't as dumb as it seems. Aswell as breaking Star Wars Lore.
So- How the hell is that hyperspace ramming in this case isn't as dumb as people think?
Well, first off we have a similar ship and other examples in universe that effects hyperspace (or somewhat). The Immobilizer 418 Interdictor Cruiser. Now, there's two different variations somewhat. A: One where it 'fakes' a planetary bodies gravity field and activates the failsafes in a 'area of space' for ships to 'fall' out of hyperspace before reaching the 'planetary' body the Interdictor is placing. B: The version where it literally deploys a gravity field strong enough to literally pull ships out of hyperspace AKA: the version seen in new canon in SW Rebels. Now you're probably asking- "EVA what in the fuck does this have to do with the the Last Jedi ram?"

It's simple, just like how Interdictor's effect ships approaching a system and pulling them out or causing them to not be able to retreat. The Supremacy had a similar device, but instead of trapping the ships in-system, could calculate all the possible routes on the fly with no significant delay between calculations and the enemy retreating and gaining more ground before the calculations could be used to re-engage. Now, what does this have to do with anything? Because, The Supremacy was equipped with a chamber constantly in hyperspace. Why does this matter? Because if it didn't, the Raddus would not have been able to ram the Supremacy once the Raddus entered hyperspace. The device used to track ships through hyperpsace was possible with a specific part of the ship being in a constant state of hyperpace at all times.

Thus, when the Raddus went for the ram and targeted the Supremacy it didn't hit the ship in real space. It hit the 'hyperspace shadow' the ship was constantly making. Making the Raddus to be attracted to it like a magent. Now, don't get me wrong. Even if all of this so far was true, I feel confident that if it was anything smaller than the Raddus with less powerful Mon-cala shields. mass and size, I highly doubt it would have caused the amount of damage it did. When the Raddus hit the Supremacy and when the hyperdrive of the Raddus and the device on the Supremacy were destroyed in the instant the Raddus did the ram just as fast it fell out of hyperspace at realativistic speeds causing mass shrapnel to the ships behind as-seen in the movie. It's sorta the same as when you shoot a shotgun but instead of the buckshot being immediate out the barrel, it doesn't spall until it initially makes contact with a object or wall, in this instance-The Supremacy.

Now, knowing all the circumstances behind this is it still feasible in universe on a widescale? Fuck no, Holdo got extremly fucking lucky with multiple variables at play. Be it the pure size of the ship she was using, the size of The Supremacy as a target, the device specifically used as a 'hyperspace anchor' constantly in hyperspace making the ram possible when the Raddus jumped. There are various factors why this was only possible at this moment, at this point, at that time. Now, that shot we get in Rise of SKywalker with a hyperspace rammed First Order SD? I have no fucking idea.
Thank you for coming to my TED-Talk

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This explanation honestly makes a lot more sense than most others I've heard. The only hiccup is Holdo actually knowing about it, but that COULD be handwaved. It also does a good job of explaining why it doesn't happen more commonly as a last ditch flip-off to the enemy; it literally ISN'T possible outside of this very specific scenario. Though I really wish Disney could've put this much forethought and explanation into the scene.

 

[FollowingStars]

i just found out that the earth core is hot that when used to generate Geothermal energy is enough that just 1% is enough to to power the world for 2 million so my idea is that las should invest in such a system as something that show up a lot in legends is that core worlds have to import a lot of energy so much so that there are world just for energy production and refining now minda might not have to import energy but could definitely become an energy exporter

 

[Wadi]

"I'm sorry, but is a tradition!"

"Couldn't we create a new tradition? In which the protagonist do not loose their hand?"

"That is impossible!"

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"Ok go for the right leg"

 

[Wadi]

i just found out that the earth core is hot that when used to generate Geothermal energy is enough that just 1% is enough to to power the world for 2 million so my idea is that las should invest in such a system as something that show up a lot in legends is that core worlds have to import a lot of energy so much so that there are world just for energy production and refining now minda might not have to import energy but could definitely become an energy exporter

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Naboo sells plasma from it's core in canon.

 

[OZT]

Naboo sells plasma from it's core in canon.

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Which somehow you can also pilot a sub through.

 

[OrderedOrb]

Naboo sells plasma from it's core in canon.

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True, but I think he masn harnessing geothermal heat energy from a MOLTEN core.

 

[OrderedOrb]

Which somehow you can also pilot a sub through.

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It's Star Wars, don't question it.

 

[Crixxis]

I don't think it was ever clarified what type of Lucrehulk it was, was it a freighter or warship variant?

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Considering that the Lucrehulk had enough droid ship to kamakazi kill several star destroyers I say it is a combat variant

 

[Aeroeng]

Considering that the Lucrehulk had enough droid ship to kamakazi kill several star destroyers I say it is a combat variant

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The freighter version could hold the same, hell we see that in episode 1, the main difference is in the amount of weaponry.