I will become God-Harem King of the World! [Highschool DxD/Exalted] (CLOSED)

[Fellgar]

People at least read whats actually posted. Pipeman has no plan. -.-

 

[Deathwings]

I don't think Manipulate fit Issei's character. Issei is painfully honest and It's one of the thing I really don't want to change about him.
Charisma now, that he could definitely use more of.

On the physical side of thing, I'd raise Stamina. It would allow us to use our Gear more/better. Moreover, Issei is a bona fide Determinator with epic Heroic Willpower in canon, so the ability to keep going despite hardship, wounds and pain really fit his theme.

This IS what Stamina is used for, right ? I don't play Exalted, so I'm not sure...

 

[Smuthunter]

On the physical side of thing, I'd raise Stamina. It would allow us to use our Gear more/better. Moreover, Issei is a bona fide Determinator with epic Heroic Willpower in canon, so the ability to keep going despite hardship, wounds and pain really fit his theme.

This IS what Stamina is used for, right ? I don't play Exalted, so I'm not sure...

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Eh, stamina mainly impacts physical toughness. DxD uses it to mean a person's mana pool or something like that given how many spells rely on it. It only goes up to five dots before you hit peak human limitations though, so I don't think Issei's skyrocketing power levels would be modeled as depending on it unless we somehow boosted our stamina up to some absurd double-digit number.

For combat, Dexterity is the go-to stat because it impacts both offense and defense as well as a bunch of abilities like stealth and larceny, whereas Stamina mostly deals with how much punishment you can take.

 

[Fellgar]

I don't think Manipulate fit Issei's character. Issei is painfully honest and It's one of the thing I really don't want to change about him.
Charisma now, that he could definitely use more of.

On the physical side of thing, I'd raise Stamina. It would allow us to use our Gear more/better. Moreover, Issei is a bona fide Determinator with epic Heroic Willpower in canon, so the ability to keep going despite hardship, wounds and pain really fit his theme.

This IS what Stamina is used for, right ? I don't play Exalted, so I'm not sure...

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Thats the point. He currently has 1 point in manipulation. Meaning he is terribad at manipulation. Same with charisma. So actually putting points into these two things should improve them enough where he is on worse then the average highschooler when it comes to charisma and manipulation.

 

[Smuthunter]

Thats the point. He currently has 1 point in manipulation. Meaning he is terribad at manipulation.

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Deathwings has a point; him being terribad at manipulation is part of his charm. He's brutally honest about his feelings even when it's to his disadvantage. So we should buff Charisma to make him better at swaying people with shonen speeches and leave manipulation alone. Sink those dots into Appearance instead, that'll give us both a higher mental defense and a higher mental attack against less attractive people. Which, with Appearance 5, will be most of the people we meet.

 

[Deathwings]

Currently, we have 3 dot of DEX but only 2 of STA. The reason I want to raise STA is because the Boosted Gear work like so :

-When activated with a miscellaneous action the Boosted Gear creates an Overdrive Pool of Essence. The motes from it can only be used offensively.
-This Overdrive Motepool starts with [Current Personal + Peripheral Motes]/5 rounded down motes of Essence and doubles the amount of motes it contains every 5 ticks.
-The Overdrive Motepool can at most contain [Essence + Stamina]*10 + 10 Motes of Essence.
-Should motes from the Overdrive pool be used for any purpose, it stops doubling the amount of motes it contains.
-For 10 Overdrive motes per dot the character can as an innate abilty add up to [Essence + Stamina] temporary dots to his Physical Attributes in total and up to [Essence + Stamina]/3 rounded up to any single one. These temporary dots last until the third DV refresh at which point they are lost, a fatigue penalty equal to the amount of temporary dots is gained and the Overdrive pool is removed.
-Activating the Boosted Gear removes and replaces a still existing Overdrive pool. Temporary dots gained with the previous pool are retained as long as they otherwise would be, but still count towards the limit of simultaneous temporary dots gained with Boosted Gear.

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STA is the easiest way we have to improve our Boosted Gear right now, because I doubt we'll manage to get to Essence 4 any time soon.

...well, useless raising STA through training isn't that hard. *sigh* like I said I don't know much about Exalted. How hard would it be to raise STA the hard way ? If it's not too bad then yeah, Appearance could use a boost.

Thats the point. He currently has 1 point in manipulation. Meaning he is terribad at manipulation. Same with charisma. So actually putting points into these two things should improve them enough where he is on worse then the average highschooler when it comes to charisma and manipulation.

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You missed my point : I don't want Issei to be the manipulative type. Charisma ? Sure, go crazy with that, I approve. But manipulation ? No, doesn't match Issei Character.

Well, I'm the kind of guy who prefer role play to min-maxing, so...

 

[Fellgar]

You missed my point : I don't want Issei to be the manipulative type. Charisma ? Sure, go crazy with that, I approve. But manipulation ? No, doesn't match Issei Character.

Well, I'm the kind of guy who prefer role play to min-maxing, so...

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Nope you missed mine. 1 point is a paraplegic, 2 is effectively a broken leg. Both are bad but one isn't as terribly bad as the other.

I want Issei to not suck horribly at something. Not saying I want him to be good I just don't want him to be a paraplegic compared to the average person in those area's.

 

[Deathwings]

Paraplegic ? I was under the impression that 1 dot for an Exalted was basically the equivalent of "average compared to a normal mortal". Was I mistaken ?

 

[Smuthunter]

Currently, we have 3 dot of DEX but only 2 of STA. The reason I want to raise STA is because the Boosted Gear work like so :
...well, useless raising STA through training isn't that hard. *sigh* like I said I don't know much about Exalted. How hard would it be to raise STA the hard way ? If it's not too bad then yeah, Appearance could use a boost.

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As an attribute, Stamina has a training time of (the rating x 4) in months. So going from STA 2 -> 3 would take 8 months of training.

However that system doesn't account for the summer vacation Issei spent with Tanin, which saw equivalent if not better results just by him living in the wilderness for a few weeks. That's several arcs away though, and we have fights with, at bare minimum, Raynare, Raiser, Kokabiel, and Vali to live through or talk our way out of in the meantime. Raising stamina might be preferable to appearance after all unless the Exalted training system isn't being used.

Nope you missed mine. 1 point is a paraplegic, 2 is effectively a broken leg. Both are bad but one isn't as terribly bad as the other.

I want Issei to not suck horribly at something. Not saying I want him to be good I just don't want him to be a paraplegic compared to the average person in those area's.

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Well you're not convincing me. Again, Issei being horrible at manipulation is part of his charm. I'm not going to cast votes that turn him into a completely different person. Buffing Charisma would make him much better at things that are already in his nature to do.

Paraplegic ? I was under the impression that 1 dot for an Exalted was basically the equivalent of "average compared to a normal mortal". Was I mistaken ?

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That's true for abilities, but for attributes 1 dot indicates a deficiency of some sort.

MANIPULATION
Manipulation measures your character's innate capacity to purposefully coerce, manipulate, trick and bully others. Manipulation covers everything from leading others to tricking them, from being sly to being domineering.
Trait Effects: Someone with Manipulation 1 is either ill-spoken or exceedingly direct and open. Someone with Manipulation 3 has a clever tongue and can convince most people to trust her. Someone with Manipulation 5 might well talk her way into the private pavilions of the Celestial Incarnae.

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Yeah, Manipulation 1 pretty much defines Issei.

 

[Deathwings]

Right, so right now my vote is :

[X] 2 dots in Stamina.
[X] 2 dots in Charisma.

Leaving us with 2 BP left.

 

[Carrnage]

[X] Pipeman

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Do not vote for plans before they are written please,

 

[Odysseus2099]

Nope you missed mine. 1 point is a paraplegic, 2 is effectively a broken leg. Both are bad but one isn't as terribly bad as the other.

I want Issei to not suck horribly at something. Not saying I want him to be good I just don't want him to be a paraplegic compared to the average person in those area's.

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No, 1 point is below average, 2 is average, not broken. 2 in anything generally means "decent but not spectacular". 3 is "professional", 4 is "genius" and 5 is "beyond genius redefines the field just by existing"

 

[Happerry]

[X] 2 dots in Stamina.
[X] 2 dots in Charisma.

Yah, one point isn't good, but you aren't a cripple either. It's just outside your natural leanings.

 

[Drakebane]

[X] 2 dots in Stamina.
[X] 2 dots in Charisma.

 

[Alexander]

Pipeman proposed this distribution:

[X] Pipeman distribution 1:
2 dots of Appearance (8 BP)
5 dots of Occult (5 BP)
4 dots of Presence (4 BP)
1 dot of Resistance (1 BP)

I will post the rules again:

Bonus Points you have: 18
Raising an Attribute by one dot costs 4 Points
Rising an Ability by one dot costs 2 Points (1 if a Favored or Caste Ability)
Adding a new Charm costs 5 Points, 4 if they come from a Caste or Favored Ability.
Attributes and Abilities cannot be raised beyond 5 dots with the use of Bonus Points.

 

[Heaven Canceler]

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This, because having ridiculous Charisma sounds hilarious considering who we are.

 

[kinglugia]

[X] 1 dots in Stamina.
[X] 3 dots in Charisma.

 

[Deathwings]

I was under the impression that we could only raise 2 things. So useless we're willing to wait until the next time we can assign those BP, Pipeman's plan isn't actually viable since it raise 4.

 

[P_D]

I'd say let's raise our social attributes now.
We don't really have to worry about our combat capabilities right now as all canon fights are against devils or fallen angels and Enemy-Castigating Solar Judgment lets us deal holy damage while having good social ones would let us gather more allies at school and possibly avoid some fights. Also, considering we are not Rias' pawn, i don't think we will have to worry about The Rating Games so we won't be fighting anyone just of the sake of fighting, though it also means that we have to make our own allies.

I am not very familiar with Exalted and what stats are used for what but from what i can gather, some mix of charisma and appearance may be a good idea, though i am not sure how those should be distributed.

[X] Charisma & Appearance

 

[Smuthunter]

I'd say let's raise our social attributes now.
We don't really have to worry about our combat capabilities right now as all canon fights are against devils or fallen angels and Enemy-Castigating Solar Judgment lets us deal holy damage while having good social ones would let us gather more allies at school and possibly avoid some fights. Also, considering we are not Rias' pawn, i don't think we will have to worry about The Rating Games so we won't be fighting anyone just of the sake of fighting, though it also means that we have to make our own allies.

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Rias doesn't get involved in the rating games until book five or so, and they're supposed to be non-lethal affairs that we shouldn't worry too much about. The match against Raiser is an unofficial match, but with a little social-fu we can probably convince Raiser to leave without needing to throw down a gauntlet, giving us more time to train before we need to deal with him.

 

[P_D]

Rias doesn't get involved in the rating games until book five or so, and they're supposed to be non-lethal affairs that we shouldn't worry too much about. The match against Raiser is an unofficial match, but with a little social-fu we can probably convince Raiser to leave without needing to throw down a gauntlet, giving us more time to train before we need to deal with him.

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Well, yes, that was my point.
We don't really need to be good at fighting, at least not anytime soon, so using our BP to raise social stats would be a good idea, especially considering that we are independent, unlike canon Issei who serves Rias, which means we will have to make our own friends and don't have the backing of a powerful devil. Even when the time comes, we probably won't be fighting for Rias when she gets into the Rating Games and The Rating Games are the only battles that can't be won by social-fu.

 

[Smuthunter]

Well, yes, that was my point.
We don't really need to be good at fighting, at least not anytime soon, so using our BP to raise social stats would be a good idea, especially considering that we are independent, unlike canon Issei who serves Rias, which means we will have to make our own friends and don't have the backing of a powerful devil. Even when the time comes, we probably won't be fighting for Rias when she gets into the Rating Games and The Rating Games are the only battles that can't be won by social-fu.

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Not true actually. Kokabiel is going to cause trouble in town in book 3 and Vali is going to come looking for us regardless of what we do. Both of those fights are way outside our league even with the Exaltation; Kokabiel took everything Rias could throw at him after we'd boosted her up at maximum power and wasn't even scratched, and Vali has all the bullshit hax that comes with Albion. Leaving off on combat training entirely is going to be an unspeakably bad idea given how many battles were won in canon only by deus ex machina or contrived circumstances.

 

[Heaven Canceler]

So.... put everything into Charisma and become so charming that it breaks the laws of physics?

 

[kinglugia]

Please, for the sake of all that is holy, let me satiate my bloodlust as well q-q

 

[P_D]

Not true actually. Kokabiel is going to cause trouble in town in book 3 and Vali is going to come looking for us regardless of what we do. Both of those fights are way outside our league even with the Exaltation; Kokabiel took everything Rias could throw at him after we'd boosted her up at maximum power and wasn't even scratched, and Vali has all the bullshit hax that comes with Albion. Leaving off on combat training entirely is going to be an unspeakably bad idea given how many battles were won in canon only by deus ex machina or contrived circumstances.

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Both of them are weak against holy but I'm not sure how much it matters. I'm not saying we should rely solely on our social stats, but that we should invest in them now and spend time training our combat capabilities in the future.
I don't really know what we can do against Albion bullshit or even how it will work mechanically.

We don't even know what we would be in Highschool DxD terms or what devils, angels and fallen angels would be in Exalted terms so it's really hard to compare our capabilities to those of canon Issei or anyone else's for that matter. The only comparison we have right now is that we took Raynare, who gave canon Issei a lot of trouble at this point, down with ease.

 

[Smuthunter]

Both of them are weak against holy but I'm not sure how much it matters. I'm not saying we should rely solely on our social stats, but that we should invest in them now and spend time training our combat capabilities in the future.

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Given Exalted training times measured in months we might not have time to do any training before the plot happens to us. The first 12 books or so happened inside of a year, remember.

I don't really know what we can do against Albion bullshit or even how it will work mechanically.

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The halving of power levels thing can be countered by boosting with Ddraig, but Albion also absorbs the power he divides. In canon, Issei got around this by boosting faster than Albion could divide him after Azazel made the crack about Half Dimension cutting Rias's bust size in half, but I don't think the current mechanics have allowances for going from a five boost maximum to about 30 boosts in ten seconds. Even then, we still have to absorb a piece of Albion's gear just to break even with Vali -- and he still has Juggernaut Drive on top of that. That might be where Holy damage comes in handy though; Issei smashed up Albion pretty badly and forced Vali to regenerate it, but aggravated damage won't heal any way that isn't natural.

We don't even know what we would be in Highschool DxD terms or what devils, angels and fallen angels would be in Exalted terms so it's really hard to compare our capabilities to those of canon Issei or anyone else's for that matter. The only comparison we have right now is that we took Raynare, who gave canon Issei a lot of trouble at this point, down with ease.

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And unfortunately Raynare is small fry even compared to Raiser.

 

[Eler0]

[X]Three Dots Appearance 1 Dot Charisma.

Social Fu is hax.

 

[Larekko12]

[X]Three Dots Appearance 1 Dot Charisma.

 

[Heaven Canceler]

What? Do Charisma and Appearance do the same Thing in Exalted? What is the difference in effect/use? Also, won't People notice if we suddenly become inhumanly beautiful over night?

 

[Smuthunter]

What? Do Charisma and Appearance do the same Thing in Exalted? What is the difference in effect/use?

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CHARISMA
Charisma measures how innately likeable someone is. It reflects an air of confidence and social grace when dealing with people. People like those with a high Charisma, even if they do not always know why.
Trait Effects: Someone with Charisma 1 is either ill-mannered or subtly unlikable. Someone with Charisma 3 is likeable and makes friends with little effort. Someone with Charisma 5 has that rare spark that draws everyone to his cause. Even the wealthy and the powerful will go out of their way to become his friend.

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APPEARANCE
Appearance is a combination of overall physical attractiveness, how your character carries herself and her typical degree of grooming. It covers her ability to make a good first impression and to generate an instinctive response in others.
Trait Effects: Someone with Appearance 1 is either very plain or downright ugly. Someone with Appearance 3 is quite good-looking—many people look at him when he walks down the street. Someone with Appearance 5 is likely the most attractive and desirous individual most people have ever met—even the most jaded sovereigns turn their heads when he enters the room.

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Mechanically, Charisma is usually an attack modifier when in social combat -- it's good for convincing people to do what you want without needing to resort to underhanded tricks, which are the purview of Manipulation, but it can't be used to make a person go against their motivation or intimacies unless we start dipping into charms. Appearance mainly boosts your social defense, but it also gives you attack bonuses against people with a smaller appearance score than yours. If we hit Appearance 5, that'll be pretty much everyone we meet besides possibly Rias.

Also, won't People notice if we suddenly become inhumanly beautiful over night?

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Probably, but nobody is going to be able to guess why aside from Rias and Sona and their respective peerages, and the Gremory peerage will already know about us through Kiba anyways. Unless Diodora is skulking around somewhere the only people who might be our enemies immediately are Raynare and her posse.