Twisted Pinwheel

[mc2rpg]

Obviously the Uchiha are genetically inferior, it is such a shame having to worry about something worse than laying an egg when family members marry.

 

[Grosstoad]

Sasuke: ". . . Thus ends the great lines of Uchiha."
Mio: "And from its ashes! Two new lines! The golden line of the Demons! And the dark line of the Heroes!"
Sasuke: "Your hair is dyed."
Mio: "I'll get a jutsu to change it all the way down that my descendants will be as golden as me!"
Sasuke: "Wait, why am I the Hero?"

 

[Sirrocco]

Mio: "Fool. Our blood is somewhat distant, but you and I are both full blooded Uchiha. As such, it's best for us to breed with literally anyone else. This greatly expands the pool of half-Uchiha children that can then be used to develop a program to rejuvenate the bloodline while avoiding the potential detrimental effects of inbreeding."

Sasuke: "..."

Mio: "HAVE YOU NEVER READ A SINGLE TREATISE ON BREEDING SHOW-PONIES? OR SPOKEN WITH AN INUZUKA FOR SO MUCH AS FIVE MINUTES?"

Sasuke: "... On the plus side, you have convinced me that I don't really want to marry you."

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I'm highly amused at the idea of an Inuzuka family such that the majority of its members go on random diatribes about the minutiae of dog-breeding and/or people-breeding within 5 minutes of meeting someone for the first time.

It'd certainly be a different take on the clan than normal.

...or perhaps it's not so much that that's how they'd react with random strangers, but that that's how they could be reasonably expected to react to Sasuke. "Yes, yes, your family was killed by your brother, and you were tortured horribly. It's very sad, but listen. There's something you *must* *know*."

 

[SCO]

Apparently the Uchiha Kekkei Genkai is dominant anyway if you consider the absurd amounts of SI bastards with the sharingan. Though i dunno about their chakra capacity breeding program. Ugh, i really hate Naruto ninja society, what the villages really need is M.A.D. so they calm the fuck down (doesn't fix the basic lack of respect for human life and rights though, fucking T&I and A-ranks).

Anyway, for a plan, which we are all forgetting about,

edit: plan A was revised to be funnier on a latter post.

Maybe Mio should get one of these as a victory celebration.

Anyway, i suspect Maito Gai used this type of test in particular because he knows we're interested in genjutsu, let's not disappoint him mmmh?

 

[Adyen]

No, Hana has all 3 dogs with her. And she's the only one here.

 

[SCO]

You need a distraction before you cast a successful genjutsu on their most important sense i reckon, that's why i suggested leading them to a minion and letting them engage the pack alone (they can't have gone far and are city girls besides). When they're fighting someone else i doubt they'll care about tracking exactly where the smell of the other one is, so it wouldn't be weird if they lost you.

Then target the alpha, the human, and the rest of the dogs for the genjutsu in that order i guess. If she scatters the pack you might have a bit of trouble getting them all before they can alert eachother to the contradiction, but that's kinda essential. If they're got one after the other, they'll just think you 'left' with a slight time differential, the others might follow the alpha and the human them even if they know better until you get them.
But, if you ever watched a pack of dogs hunt, they don't scatter (although if i had a trained intelligent pack like that i would like them to stalk every enemy until they're dealt with separately).

This is all assuming that Mio can actually cast a olfactory genjutsu, and henge and treewalk/jump, which might be assuming too much ofc.

Now, this is a bit risky for Maito Gai relationship-o-meter because he might very well think it's not youthful to lose a tail by sacrificing a comrade (you might be able to free her later anyway, because the mission is 'capture' therefore she has to either take a prisoner with her (doubtful without transport seals), leaver her disabled and alone or leave a dog on top of that), but this is the only thing i can think of to distract a trained pack of dogs hunting and use a genjutsu at the same time. If you had some supplies maybe you could do other things that would inconvenience dogs like high frequency sounds or stinkbombs. But i doubt you do.

With a bit of luck we can have fanservice of the yuri kind with a henge strategy because we'd presumably need to touch the girl to henge both of us ('you're a branch i'm the trunk'), if you can manage to think of a alternative to cast the genjutsu on the enemy (if you want to save other people it's not just our smell that needs to be confused so i doubt that it will be that easy, maybe they'll let us have a sniff before we dump them, trick the others and save them back? I doubt the civilian born abandoned the other).


Plan A.2 (if you want to try to do this as a 'team'):
1. find the others.
2. sniff them to memorize their scent.
3. jump away into the tree shadow, henge into branch with a (fake) birds nest
4. wait for the screaming (the other screaming)
5. confuse the nose and brains of the dogs and human:
5.1: switch the olfactory receptors of your 3 scents to some kind of bird feather, so birds smell like you, and you smell like birds (i'm assuming a switch is easier than disguising your real smell like something else completely different)
5.2: now they think you're moving on the trees and the dogs can't climb so the girl and the dogs will probably search a bit uselessly from tree to tree.
6. free the others because all the dogs and the chibi-ninja are following 'you' (hopefully. If not, just go to the exit alone without 7, 8, just henging into a brush once in a while, and kawarimi once in a while if you don't want to risk noise).
7. Warn them to not make noise. Take advantage of their lack of henge skills to hold them in embarrassing positions pretending to be a tree while slowly moving to the exit, make sure you feel up the girls (to make the henge more believable of course you have to have maximum contact with the same general shape), kiss them if you have to (to prevent screaming). Too soon! Just warn them that they have to keep hugging you hard at all times while you 'lead' the movement (you'll have to impersonate a fallen trunk if you fall and you 'might' have to be sandwiched by them). (kawarimi is probably not useful since you probably can't do it for multiple people).
8. When a dog or human comes near take advantage of the henge to change your real smell on their nose receptors from 'smells like feathers' to 'smells like a tree' so there is not a awkward contradiction. Their memories will still be telling they're searching for (real) feathers (i'm assuming this is harder because you're going to have to confuse their brain so they become equivalent, not a switch).

 

[Bobs Beard]

5. confuse the nose and brains of the dogs and human:
5.1: switch the olfactory receptors of your 3 scents to some kind of bird feather, so birds smell like you, and you smell like birds (i'm assuming a switch is easier than disguising your real smell like something else completely different)
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8. When a dog or human comes near take advantage of the henge to change your real smell on their nose receptors from 'smells like feathers' to 'smells like a tree' so there is not a awkward contradiction. Their memories will still be telling they're searching for (real) feathers (i'm assuming this is harder because you're going to have to confuse their brain so they become equivalent, not a switch).

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Can we actually do that, though?

I was under the impression genjutsu like that was relatively complex, and that Mio the not-really-trying-to-become-the-best-academy-student did not yet know genjutsu sufficient to cause direct alteration of things like scents, since that requires casting the genjutsu on your target, rather than just on yourself - and that as such, this isn't at all possible for Mio right now.

This impression was, in fact, a big part of why I only suggested a visual illusion making use of basic henge, since henge is something she unquestionably knows.


Can we do something like that, Chibi-Reaper - and past that, how come our quasi-stat block entry here doesn't list those four camping jutsu we learned?

Kinda hard to plan on what jutsu to use, when there's no clear place to go to reference what jutsu we can use, and all.

 

[Chibi-Reaper]

Ah, they're not listed because I don't seem to have updated that in ages.

You've got those four jutsu from the library, the henge transformation jutsu that changes how you look, and the advantages that come with an active sharingan. Though you haven't worked out how to use eye-based hypnosis genjutsu or anything.

Make no mistake, this situation means that the advantages are stacked up hugely against you.

Edit: I forgot, you actually did learn the body-flicker in your backstory, so if you want to risk probably instantly passing out and maybe chakra exhaustion in the hospital at the far end of that, that's an option.

 

[Bobs Beard]

Ah, they're not listed because I don't seem to have updated that in ages.

You've got those four jutsu from the library, the henge transformation jutsu that changes how you look, and the advantages that come with an active sharingan. Though you haven't worked out how to use eye-based hypnosis genjutsu or anything.

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SCO, looks like you're trying to use techniques Mio does not have... so I'd advise you to make a more functional plan.

I'll note, again, that the only plan as of yet scripted up does not require using techniques Mio does not yet know...

...I'll also note it's been well more than a day, and that plan is the only vote in existence yet.

Would probably be nice to give Chibi an actual vote to make use of, and all.

 

[Koled]

Chibi does Mio have some sorth of kunai or smokebomb,anything besides bullshit eyes, more ego that most kages and ungoddly amouts of glitter in her hair?

Anyways Im liking Bobs idea the most so have my vote.


[X] - Purposefully lag behind your mooks, and keep the dogs occupied long enough the two to get a proper head start. They need the help, and there's no point to instantly spending minions; 's wasteful.
-[X] - Take a good, long gander at Hana's dogs, and give that Sharingan a proper workout. How each moves, what mannerisms and quirks you can witness in their methods - all of it's up for grabs.
--[X] Once you've got enough to work with (and the goons have gotten clear), make your own retreat, and look for a chance to trick Hana with illusions of her own dogs. You only need a moment...
---[X] If it works, fantastic; Mio makes a stately exit to 'retreat' - if it doesn't, she does it considerably faster, attempt made

 

[SCO]

Why is everyone thinking that visual illusions are any easier than olfactory ones? And besides, trying to fool 3 dogs and a dog-hybrid without using smell is fated to failure, might as well run backwards blocking kunais and kicking puppies with the cheatangan while one of your minions keeps telling you 'one step to the right' 'jump over the log' and such, then body flicker the last stretch. Would probably be just as successful.

 

[Bobs Beard]

Why is everyone thinking that visual illusions are any easier than olfactory ones? And besides, trying to fool a dog and a dog-hybrid without using smell is fated to failure, might as well run backwards blocking kunais and kicking puppies with the cheatangan while one of your minions keeps telling you 'one step to the right' 'jump over the log' and such, then body flicker the last stretch.

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Because they're henge.

You know, that basic technique that academy students are taught, that Mio is confirmed to already know, that causes a given thing to look like a different given thing?

It's something we can do, which is the key factor here.

Also, you seem to have completely missed what the point of such a vote was, so... did you perhaps completely skip over this?

Because it addresses every concern you just raised.


Also... did you perhaps forget that not only was Body Flicker proven to knock Mio the fuck out when she learned it, but Chibi just recently reminded us that it's still dicey in terms of energy drain?

Finishing with such a move after other expenditures is... not exactly ideal, in terms of risk/reward.

 

[SCO]

You can't 'suckerpunch' a retreat. It at most gives you a second, good luck moving more than 10 meters a second from a standing start without being Gai.

If you're doing that (henge into a dog and try to escape), you might as well try to punch her on the head and hope she faints, it'd probably work better. And where are you exactly going to get the time to not be seen doing the henge after staying behind and being surrounded by 3 dogs and her? (the dogs are pretty instantly going to attack you btw, even if you fool her).

 

[Bobs Beard]

You can't 'suckerpunch' a retreat.

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...Uh, yes you can?

Yes you absolutely can.

It's even a legitimate military tactic from that place we all live in, the real world; force an affected retreat and then hit the pursuers while they're moreso in 'pursue' mode than 'engage' mode. Been used since times antiquity in battles all over the world, even. Classic tactic, and all. It's viable for group stuff involving peeps that move way slower than ninja, so, y'know... it'd stand to reason it'd apply here, since speed is key in the implementation of such things.

It at most gives you a second, good luck moving more than 10 meters a second from a standing start without being Gai.

If you're doing that, you might as well try to punch her on the head and hope she faints, it'd probably work better.

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If that's how you feel about the bullshit ninja do (including but not limited to: improbably ground-eating leaps, dashes, suspiciously conveniently placed shrubbery that seems to shift where it is on a per-scene basis to justify close quarters surprises, general bullshit speed and more) then I suggest you make an actually viable plan, vote for it, and see if you can get any other voters to agree with you.

If you'd rather not do that, then... this kind of just looks like complaint for the sake of complaint, and I'd like to imagine you're a bit more productive than that.

 

[Adyen]

...Uh, yes you can?

Yes you absolutely can.

It's even a legitimate military tactic from that place we all live in, the real world; force an affected retreat and then hit the pursuers while they're moreso in 'pursue' mode than 'engage' mode. Been used since times antiquity in battles all over the world, even. Classic tactic, and all. It's viable for group stuff involving peeps that move way slower than ninja, so, y'know... it'd stand to reason it'd apply here, since speed is key in the implementation of such things.

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See, the problem is that you're attempting to sucker punch someone with a knife when they're holding a gun, not to mention they're already looking at you and ready to shoot.

Sure, you might get the surprise factor and all that, but they're going to kill YOU for doing that.

You're basically under-estimating the gap between pre-genin and late-genin/early-chuunin. If we take pre-genin as the the strongest child in the world, then what Hana is at would be the strongest adult with military training compared to us.

In THEORY, if we can get both of our lackeys to work with us, we can sacrifice one or both and still get out to the 'safe' area. But since we did not have any time to plan, we'd have to sacrifice with ourselves with you "sucker punch" ploy - which is counter-productive since Gai's not going to be looking for that kind of play.

 

[SCO]

Aha, then if you want a no nonsense jutsu 'approach' then:

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[X] Tell your minions: 'DO WHAT I DO, NOW'
-[X] Remove shirt with panache (cue double takes)
--[X] Throw shirt at one of the dogs, minions throw theirs at the other ones
---[X] cast extra-chakra Knot-tying Jutstus on shirts (puppies are stupid are are probably trying to bite/smell the fabric, so they get a nice tourniquet around the neck/mouth)
----[X] Genin panics, you all engage her to prevent her helping the dogs.
-----[X] You magnanimously offer to spare the dogs lives if the genin surrenders because she can't defeat us all before one dies since they can't attack and some are probably suffocating.
------[X] . Keep your word, go secure her (drop it, on the floor, hands behind back, etc) with the sharingan and any wire she has (she should have ninja wire to 'capture') and let your blade specialist and the other one free the dogs, priority any with trouble breathing.
-------[X]. make her send the dogs ahead, but not too ahead, and keep guard with the sharingan and stroll to the checkpoint chin high like a boss.

She's going to hate you, but it might work.

 

[Nanimani]

Aha, then if you want a no nonsense jutsu 'approach' then:

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1. Tell your minions: 'DO WHAT I DO, NOW'
2. Remove shirt (cue double takes)
3. Throw shirt at one of the dogs, minions throw theirs at the other ones
4. cast extra-chakra Knot-tying Jutstus on shirts
5. (puppies are stupid are are probably trying to bite/smell the fabric, so they get a nice tourniquet around the neck/mouth)
6. Genin panics, you all engage her to prevent her helping the dogs.
7. You magnanimously offer to spare the dogs lives if the genin surrenders because she can't defeat us all before one dies since they can't attack and some are probably suffocating.
8. Keep your word, go secure her (drop it, on the floor, hands behind back, etc) with the sharingan and any wire she has (she should have ninja wire to 'capture') and let your blade specialist and the other one free the dogs, priority any with trouble breathing.
9. make her send the dogs ahead, but not too ahead, and keep guard with the sharingan and stroll to the checkpoint chin high like a boss.

She's going to hate you, but it might work.

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...They're ninja dogs. Or, in other words, intelligent. Do you think a human would try and punch the flying shirt, or would they just get out of the way?

 

[SCO]

Eh, instincts, Dogs are preconditioned to bite. And they're not summons (aka, the nin-dogs), just very intelligent young puppies. I like this plan better. And hey, if it doesn't work you can do your henge thing (imo, i don't recommend it).
Anyway, i think any successful plan to take her in 'combat' turns around threatening her dogs, her character intro makes it clear she values them over anything else.
This one was just the least scummy and funniest i could think of.

 

[Nanimani]

Eh, instincts, Dogs are preconditioned to bite. And they're not summons (aka, the nin-dogs), just very intelligent young puppies. I like this plan better. And hey, if it doesn't work you can do your henge thing (imo, i don't recommend it).

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Not my henge thing. Haven't seen anything I want to vote for.

But look at her mom's partner. He's learned how to talk, just like a summoned dog, indicating they've got the same intellect.
These dogs aren't less intelligent than Genin in general, and the only reason I say that instead of Jonin is because of age.

 

[SCO]

My best effort yet :shrug:. We don't even have the body replacement technique for escaping, and if genjutsu is not a option i doubt escape, throwing minions under the bus and henge or not will work. So we have to fight. I prefer to try this before we try to fight a genin of the notoriously physical clan and her dogs. Maybe she'll be too flabbergasted to order the signature rolling attack once we're all shirtless until we all get off the jutsu.

We weren't even trained in sharingan genjutsu because of our personality and the elders being dicks (we're going to have to ask Sasuke for access to the clan library once they're all dead, we shouldn't have too much trouble, memorize everything there - especially the index(es) and titles - and 'read' it on spare time).

 

[Bobs Beard]

See, the problem is that you're attempting to sucker punch someone with a knife when they're holding a gun, not to mention they're already looking at you and ready to shoot.

Sure, you might get the surprise factor and all that, but they're going to kill YOU for doing that.

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Firstly, how do you reason that knife/gun thing? We didn't get any indicator that Hana knows stuff besides Inuzuka tech (which explicitly require one's dog to be with them to do, and the entire plan is based around exploiting a moment where the dogs are away from her immediate side doing the chasing thing) and healing, neither of which would seem to classify as a gun to our ninjutsu knife.

Secondly... why would it even matter if we fail, from a quest perspective? It's not like this is anything more than, you know, a training session wherein even if you lose that's okay, because you're here to learn, not simply 'win'.

I suspect that's why many people have not yet voted; they can't set aside an obsession with 'winning' in any given relevant instance in a quest, to actually look at the situation there're trying to force a 'win' in - I'm not aiming that at you specifically, just making a general observation.

You're basically under-estimating the gap between pre-genin and late-genin/early-chuunin.

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And you, I feel, are mistakenly treating ranks as being indicative of specific skills.

Or to rephrase; remember how absurdly much variance canon showed us in terms of what ninja of the same rank are capable of?

What little data we have on Hana does not really paint her as the threat you seem to make her out to be - she may be such, but in-character all we know is that she's a clan heir with three dogs and a penchent for healing and animal care.

To me that sounds like something Mio's not going to give much respect to, and her stance might even be appropriate in hindsight.

If we take pre-genin as the the strongest child in the world, then what Hana is at would be the strongest adult with military training compared to us.

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At least in terms of what canon shows us, that's not remotely guaranteed true.

Yes, there are many late genin that would classify as what you say - possibly even higher - but by the same token, there are many genin that would not meet the standard you're escribing to them. Sure, Hana is an heir and from a big family, but that in and of itself is not an assurance of a specific combat attribute.

In THEORY, if we can get both of our lackeys to work with us, we can sacrifice one or both and still get out to the 'safe' area. But since we did not have any time to plan, we'd have to sacrifice with ourselves with you "sucker punch" ploy - which is counter-productive since Gai's not going to be looking for that kind of play.

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How do you know what Guy's looking for, from us?

Or to rephrase; what causes you to believe that he won't be happy with whole-assed effort regardless of outcome in an initial training session from people that aren't even yet full-fledged ninja?

Aha, then if you want a no nonsense jutsu 'approach' then:

edit:
1. Tell your minions: 'DO WHAT I DO, NOW'
2. Remove shirt with panache (cue double takes)
3. Throw shirt at one of the dogs, minions throw theirs at the other ones
4. cast extra-chakra Knot-tying Jutstus on shirts
5. (puppies are stupid are are probably trying to bite/smell the fabric, so they get a nice tourniquet around the neck/mouth)
6. Genin panics, you all engage her to prevent her helping the dogs.
7. You magnanimously offer to spare the dogs lives if the genin surrenders because she can't defeat us all before one dies since they can't attack and some are probably suffocating.
8. Keep your word, go secure her (drop it, on the floor, hands behind back, etc) with the sharingan and any wire she has (she should have ninja wire to 'capture') and let your blade specialist and the other one free the dogs, priority any with trouble breathing.
9. make her send the dogs ahead, but not too ahead, and keep guard with the sharingan and stroll to the checkpoint chin high like a boss.

She's going to hate you, but it might work.

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You know it'd really behoove you to structure something intended as a vote... as a vote.

You know, with [X]'s and junk?

Just putting that out there, as we still only have one actual vote up with two votes.

I don't really care if I win, I'd just prefer it if there's an actual attempt to vote from the people ostensibly here to participate in a quest... and the days are ticking by...

 

[prandom]

[X] - Purposefully lag behind your mooks, and keep the dogs occupied long enough the two to get a proper head start. They need the help, and there's no point to instantly spending minions; 's wasteful.
-[X] - Take a good, long gander at Hana's dogs, and give that Sharingan a proper workout. How each moves, what mannerisms and quirks you can witness in their methods - all of it's up for grabs.
--[X] Once you've got enough to work with (and the goons have gotten clear), make your own retreat, and look for a chance to trick Hana with illusions of her own dogs. You only need a moment...
---[X] If it works, fantastic; Mio makes a stately exit to 'retreat' - if it doesn't, she does it considerably faster, attempt made

 

[SCO]

Sure, edited to be a vote, is it some kind of board txt scrapper? I thought the OPs did manual counts, but i guess not.

 

[rcnr]

Chibi almost always does manual counts, but there is a vote counter program and most QMs either use it themselves or ask for it to be used on their behalf.

We had an IRC bot that could do it on request, but it's broken right now.

 

[Adyen]

*snip*

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You're never going to convince me that near civilian levels of fighting prowess is going to match near Chuunin levels of fighting capability. Your attempt is as self-defeating as trying to convince me that an average jonin is as strong as one of the Sannin.

What's making me hesitate on voting is that, while voting for a plan that puts effort in doing something is great, a bad plan that attempts the impossible is not going to do anything other than fail.

If we attempted to split up in any way, we'll immediately get triple-teamed by the dogs (or even Hana herself). 4 on 1 odds are not going to work out very well, and then Hana would be free to just pick each person off one by one.

Attempting to fight is hampered by the fact that we have no offensive jutsus and we will definitely be lagging behind in taijutsu against an Inuzuka (Kiba has shown us that he can fight alone if needed, but Hana has 3 dogs, so that's almost never an issue).

Attempting to flee as a team will have us chased - I'm not too sure about this option since I'm assuming that her dogs are going to be pretty fast, and Hana's not going to be any worse condition than we are.

That's why I haven't voted for anything else. Not quite sure what we can do...

 

[Bobs Beard]

You're never going to convince me that near civilian levels of fighting prowess

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That's a nice thought, but I don't think you thought it through - to wit, there is, I'd hope you agree, a considerable range from 'civilian' to 'pre-genin' in terms of possible physical performance.

is going to match near Chuunin levels of fighting capability

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Again - nice thought, but I question the logic.

To wit; on what basis do you assume Hana's martial ability is in fact near the upper end of things for her rank and experience?

Sure, the Inuzuka are a generally martial family from what little we know - but we also know exactly zero Inuzuka with multiple dogs besides Hana.

It's entirely possible that her MO is having the dogs do Inuzuka techniques together, rather than with her - it's a viable approach/use of what her clan's given her, and wouldn't make Hana, herself, a powerhouse.

Your attempt is as self-defeating as trying to convince me that an average jonin is as strong as one of the Sannin.

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How politely phrased and logical. Sarcasm aside, not only have I not come close to saying what you used as an example here, this is in fact the opposite of my point - my point being, recall:

Or to rephrase; remember how absurdly much variance canon showed us in terms of what ninja of the same rank are capable of?

What little data we have on Hana does not really paint her as the threat you seem to make her out to be - she may be such, but in-character all we know is that she's a clan heir with three dogs and a penchent for healing and animal care.

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The whole point of this comment was that rank isn't indicative of ability in the way you were insinuating, and that point is, in fact, perfectly alligned with 'it's laughable to think a generic jonin is the same as one of the jonin labelled the Sannin'.

What's making me hesitate on voting is that, while voting for a plan that puts effort in doing something is great, a bad plan that attempts the impossible is not going to do anything other than fail.

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Right, sure - but again; why would failure in an introductory training prompt matter?

What, do you think Gai's the kind of asshat that'd shoo off kids if they weren't quickly cottoning onto things like a genius or whatever?

Did you forget the whole deal with Rock Lee? Insofar as Jonin we know, Gai is the most tolerant of people that fail but still tried - hence why I think it's dumb people are prioritizing 'success' over having tried, period.

That's why I haven't voted for anything else. Not quite sure what we can do...

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You did a fair job of identifying potential things that'd prevent us from netting a win, but again; why does that matter in a nonlethal, training-oriented context under the watchful eyes of the guy least likely to care about success and the most likely to care about putting in effort?

 

[Adyen]

That's a nice thought, but I don't think you thought it through - to wit, there is, I'd hope you agree, a considerable range from 'civilian' to 'pre-genin' in terms of possible physical performance.

Again - nice thought, but I question the logic.

To wit; on what basis do you assume Hana's martial ability is in fact near the upper end of things for her rank and experience?

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"The only Jounin who's really helpful just has to be..." the genin sighs to herself, then waves. "Yo. I'm Inuzuka Hana, and these are the Haimaru brothers. I'm a genin, and I'm training to pass the Chuunin examinations and open up a veterinary clinic."

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Because it's in the update.

 

[Adyen]

Better mention this too: I don't think it matters whether we succeed or lose, but I think it matters whether we preform befitting as an aspiring genin or not.

Choosing plans that is known to fail is not a good idea. Why? Because A: It damages the trust Amy and Fuki has in us, and B: Gai could say that we should just stop being a ninja and not train us.

Succeeding in this 'test' of his does not mean he will train us, but failing utterly will definitely mean something negative. And by 'utterly', I don't mean just failing to escape; but rather failing to show that we have any potential as a ninja or that we can be trusted with any sort of power.

 

[Bobs Beard]

Because it's in the update.

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No - her 'training to pass the chunin exam' is in the update, as you so helpfully underlined.

That's not what you were previously claiming, or I was refuting.

That does not mean the same thing as 'could be expected to have the same combat skills/ninjutsu repertoire/leadership skill as the chuunin average', or anything like that.

Would you say all the people who went to the canon chuunin exams were equivalent - or even remotely comparable - in terms of any given attribute?

Sakura as good of a fighter as Sasuke or Neji, Naruto or Choji as good at chakra control as Hinata or Sakura, or any of that?

...I get the feeling you are reaaaaally not trying to read and interpret what I'm saying, rather than just trying to use it to prove a point.

 

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No - her 'training to pass the chunin exam' is in the update, as you so helpfully underlined.

That's not what you were previously claiming, or I was refuting.

That does not mean the same thing as 'could be expected to have the same combat skills/ninjutsu repertoire/leadership skill as the chuunin average', or anything like that.

Would you say all the people who went to the canon chuunin exams were equivalent - or even remotely comparable - in terms of any given attribute?

Sakura as good of a fighter as Sasuke or Neji, Naruto or Choji as good at chakra control as Hinata or Sakura, or any of that?

...I get the feeling you are reaaaaally not trying to read and interpret what I'm saying, rather than just trying to use it to prove a point.

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Soooo... Basically, when I was claiming that Hana could and should be in the higher genin/lower chunin bracket of strength and use that as a bases of how things would go, you claimed that I have nothing to back that claim up.

Now that I back that claim up, you say I wasn't claiming that and that's not what you're talking about.

Perhaps you should say what you mean instead of attempting to mean something you don't want to say.