Twisted Pinwheel

[Plotvitalnpc]

This is hilarious to me.

I had thought that Mio was actually a pretty terrible academy student. But she's apparently ridiculously fit. Running faster than her minions while carrying someone on her back and still has better endurance.

We now know our true personal ninja style:
We will carry a ninja on our back to cast additional spells! Sure this will let us circumvent the four man party limit and carry additional firepower.

Though honestly it would be a highly amusing training regimen to carry Saki on our back everywhere.

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It'd also be pretty adorable!

 

[fitzgerald]

[X] Can't it ? Putting aside that, as a Jounin, he may just have figured out a way how to do so, what are Suiton and Doton techniques but manipulating chakra you've 'vented' into an element, really ?

 

[SolipsistSerpent]

Hm... I'm growing oddly fond of Fuki. And Ami makes a semi-decent foil for her (and straight-man for Mio) so she's not completely useless.

Also, Saki has more fire than I thought, with the face-punching. Not enough to directly go against Mio's orders, but enough to twist them. She's like an adorable bound demon.

It's pretty clear that he was using more chakra when she got close to mask the fine details of how he shaped his technique's chakra before venting, at least.

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Actually, being Gai, he may have been impressed by Mio's dedication and venting more as we approached to try and make it easier to see the basics of what he was ding.

This is hilarious to me.I had thought that Mio was actually a pretty terrible academy student. But she's apparently ridiculously fit. Running faster than her minions while carrying someone on her back and still has better endurance.

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You're overlooking the option that Ami and Fuki are just that out of shape compared to ninja and Mio is actually pretty terrible compared to many of her peers. Remember that Ami and her minions didn't ever show up on a ninja team in canon so it's quite possible they flunked out at some point.
EDIT: That said, one of the previous updates mentions that physical conditioning is one of the few things Mio works at because her Sharingan doesn't make her stronger or faster and she knows that's a weakness. So she might actually be ahead of the curve or at least average for her class in that one area

We now know our true personal ninja style:We will carry a ninja on our back to cast additional spells! Sure this will let us circumvent the four man party limit and carry additional firepower.

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The fact Chuunin really do travel in four man-teams makes this particularly hilarious to me. We'd break the Final Fantasy and Naruto party limits by cheating the same way Saton and Ukon did. But with less creepy twin body-melding.

Though honestly it would be a highly amusing training regimen to carry Saki on our back everywhere.

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Amusing and efficient for us. Twice the Doujutsu in one! Well, efficient for Mio, I doubt it would increase Saki's abilities much. But then wasn't she resigned to not making anything of herself in the first place? Chief minion of Mio, devil-queen of the Uchiha, is clearly a step up in her life!

Oh, right. Voting.

[X] Can't it? Putting aside that, as a Jounin, he may just have figured out a way how to do so, what are Suiton and Doton techniques but manipulating chakra you've 'vented' into an element, really?
-[X] Heck, what's Gentle Fist even, if not vented yet still controlled chakra? If anything this should be like, Saki's thing, right? Being all fuck-your-chakra-use-I-have-chakra-pokes and whatnot.​

 

[1986ctcel]

Amusing and efficient for us. Twice the Doujutsu in one! Well, efficient for Mio, I doubt it would increase Saki's abilities much. But then wasn't she resigned to not making anything of herself in the first place? Chief minion of Mio, devil-queen of the Uchiha, is clearly a step up in her life!

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And I'm sure becoming the Harem Mistress/Dom of the potential Hyuuga Harem should give her a good confidence boost

*while currently dressed up in a skimpy leather outfit*Saki: Um t-take that you naughty boy!
*limply cracks her whip at the tied up Hyuuga boy*
*looks over from where she's fondling various busty Hyuuga girls* Mio: No no no. Put your arm into it and use your wrist, like THIS!
*Cracks the whip strong enough to hit his balls and cause him to moan half in pain and half in pleasure*
Saki:AMAZING Mistress! I'll do my best to make you proud.

 

[Marked_One]

[X] Can't it ? Putting aside that, as a Jounin, he may just have figured out a way how to do so, what are Suiton and Doton techniques but manipulating chakra you've 'vented' into an element, really ?

 

[prandom]

[X] Can't it? Putting aside that, as a Jounin, he may just have figured out a way how to do so, what are Suiton and Doton techniques but manipulating chakra you've 'vented' into an element, really?
-[X] Heck, what's Gentle Fist even, if not vented yet still controlled chakra? If anything this should be like, Saki's thing, right? Being all fuck-your-chakra-use-I-have-chakra-pokes and whatnot.

 

[inverted_helix]

The fact Chuunin really do travel in four man-teams makes this particularly hilarious to me. We'd break the Final Fantasy and Naruto party limits by cheating the same way Saton and Ukon did. But with less creepy twin body-melding.

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Yes I was referring to both the 4 man chunin squads and the 1 jounin + 3 genin squads.

There are obviously some special events that let you bring extra party members but those are few and far between.

Amusing and efficient for us. Twice the Doujutsu in one! Well, efficient for Mio, I doubt it would increase Saki's abilities much. But then wasn't she resigned to not making anything of herself in the first place? Chief minion of Mio, devil-queen of the Uchiha, is clearly a step up in her life!

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Obviously Saki wasn't good enough to be a ninja anyways so we're just letting her focus her efforts. She needs to learn mounted combat instead of as many physical running and jumping skills, this focus should let her be good enough.

 

[Plotvitalnpc]

It was her eyes that weren't good enough to be a ninja, by hyuuga standards.

 

[inverted_helix]

It was her eyes that weren't good enough to be a ninja, by hyuuga standards.

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That really doesn't make much sense since most Hyuuga combat is melee range, 20 meters is more than enough for that.

I mean sure she's not going to be as good because she can't spot people from all directions at long range, but she could still be good enough for lower ranks without super long range vision. Plus we know from canon evidence that Hyuuga range improves over time, whether that's just maturing or practice doesn't matter.


Besides if she doesn't qualify as a ninja by herself we'll just file her under equipment.

 

[Koled]

Besides if she doesn't qualify as a ninja by herself we'll just file her under equipment.

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I MIO require some massage oil to maintaing my detection tool.

 

[SolipsistSerpent]

I've been thinking one of the things that might limit Mio's survival is that she's not really motivated to excel (or rather, to excel more than she already does). But after seeing the way the Elders treated her and the way her mother chased them out, I'd think "Getting strong enough to tell them to sit and spin" should be a desire we could encourage in her.

It was her eyes that weren't good enough to be a ninja, by hyuuga standards.

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That's not stated anywhere. She just says she's not talented enough to be one and later doesn't want to reveal the limits of her bloodline. It's quite possible her eyes aren't long range enough to help anything but taijutsu and she's not good enough to survive as a specialist in that area.

Besides if she doesn't qualify as a ninja by herself we'll just file her under equipment.

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Hey, if it works for Kiba and Akamaru, it should work for us.

 

[Nekraa]

Range isn't the only thing that is variable for Byakugan. I seem to remember that is was surprising that Neji could see... tenketsu? Those chakra point thingies. So maybe Saki isn't good at seeing through things, or bad at keeping attention to everything around her. Or something like that. It's been a while since I read this quest so I don't remember what she said about it either. Maybe she lacks talent for the gentle fist or something not as related to her eyes.

 

[Bobs Beard]

Actually, that might be how they do it. Dirtlike chakra is partway from chakra to dirt - so your chakra can control it with the chakra interfaces, and it can control the dirt with the dirt interfaces. To generate more of the stuff, you just push it the rest of the way.

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In this interpretation, how do you explain Doton wherein the user produces all of the earth/dirt/mud that their technique then manipulates?

You've got (variations of) Rock Armor, some Earth Dragon bullet stuff, some unnamed earth spitting things, and then there's that whole Earth Grudge Fear/Earth Spear body altering nonsense Kakuzu's rocking...

Doton are not exclusively techs wherein the user manipulates the earth around them - so how would that gel with Doton dirtlike chakra allowing control/interface with regular-old dirt?

EDIT: adjusted for more accurate technique reference.

 

[inverted_helix]

Range isn't the only thing that is variable for Byakugan. I seem to remember that is was surprising that Neji could see... tenketsu? Those chakra point thingies. So maybe Saki isn't good at seeing through things, or bad at keeping attention to everything around her. Or something like that. It's been a while since I read this quest so I don't remember what she said about it either. Maybe she lacks talent for the gentle fist or something not as related to her eyes.

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This is all we really get about it:

"No, not won't, I can't!" Saki insists again. "I'm, I'm not super-skilled or talented or highly trained! I'm Branch House. I'm not even a part of the Branch that's, that's set to guard the homestead, or scout, or anything. I'm in the academy because, because that's expected of all Branch Hyuuga, but I'm the kind of branch member that's going to be a housekeeper or cook after the academy!"

"Huh... not what I'd go for, but I guess if that's what you want to do with your life." you note, dubiously.

"Wanting doesn't have anything to do with it!"

"Whatever, whatever you say." you continue, brushing her insistence off like water off a duck's wings. "So, you've got the Byakugan, but you can't... it's a matter of accuracy, or distance?"

Saki's hands come up to cover her mouth, like she's horrified at letting slip that not all Hyuuga can see for miles.

Which is kind of disappointing, but there's always variables in ability to account for.

"How close are we going to need to be, here?" you ask.

"I don't want to spy on a Jounin!" she insists.

"... Close enough that he's going to know you're there, huh." you muse aloud, and a frustrated flush crawls across her face.

"T... Twenty meters." She finally hisses, softly.

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[1986ctcel]

Sooooo SUPA MEIDO(!) get?

 

[macdjord]

Saki decks you full in the face, sending you sprawling across the ground.

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I like this girl! Let's keep her!

If you're a doton user, you're using dirtlike chakra to control dirt. A suiton user controls water with watery chakra. A fuuton user controls air with vacuous chakra. Raiton users control electrons using polarized chakra, presumably. Katon is fucking weird, I don't pretend it can be readily explained by all of this.

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Of course! It's so clear now! Gai has invented... the Youth-chackra transformation!

 

[SolipsistSerpent]

In this interpretation, how do you explain Doton wherein the user produces all of the earth/dirt/mud that their technique then manipulates?

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He covers it in the last sentence of the part you quoted, I'm pretty sure. You just push the chakra tranformation all the way instead of part-way.

Earth-Grudge Fear is so weird, I'm not even sure it really is a Doton technique. It seems more akin to whatever you call the body modifications Orochimaru got into.

 

[Bobs Beard]

He covers it in the last sentence of the part you quoted, I'm pretty sure. You just push the chakra tranformation all the way instead of part-way.

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I think you missed my question - it's about techniques where at no point does the user manipulate actual dirt, rather than manufacture 'dirt' via their Earth-transformed chakra. That is, manipulate chakra they converted into a solid, tangible material that just happens to share at least some of the physical properties of dirt and dirt-like stuff; 's a difference, there.

While I suppose that depending on reading one could infer such a meaning to what Sirrocco said in the post I questioned, I don't like to assume in inference like that without strong indicators (which I don't feel were present), hence the question. Also, it doesn't address the Earth Grudge Fear/Earth Spear issue even if that interpretation is assumed - and that's a thing.

Earth-Grudge Fear is so weird, I'm not even sure it really is a Doton technique. It seems more akin to whatever you call the body modifications Orochimaru got into.

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Doesn't matter what you or I think makes sense there; in the manga original it was labelled as a Doton-type technique, ditto data book reference of the technique.

So either Kakuzu and the databooks are lying... or we have to justify that tech's existence in any potential explanation that touches on Earth Nature Transformation.

 

[Sirrocco]

In this interpretation, how do you explain Doton wherein the user produces all of the earth/dirt/mud that their technique then manipulates?

You've got (variations of) Rock Armor, some Earth Dragon bullet stuff, some unnamed earth spitting things, and then there's that whole Earth Grudge Fear/Earth Spear body altering nonsense Kakuzu's rocking...

Doton are not exclusively techs wherein the user manipulates the earth around them - so how would that gel with Doton dirtlike chakra allowing control/interface with regular-old dirt?

EDIT: adjusted for more accurate technique reference.

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Err... I thought I'd made it pretty clear. You have chakra, you have a dirt affinity. If you want something like Earth Armor, and you dont' want to have to depend on teh earth around you, you turn a block of your chakra into earth-aspected chakra. You then continue, turning some of that into dirt/rock/whatever, and keeping the rest aroudn to manipulate/control it.

I have no idea what Earth Grudge Fear even *is*. Can't help you there. If it's body alteration... well, I suppose if you get your body attuned to earth well enough, you could somehow modify and control it using earth aspected chakra? Really, I'm guessing there. Like I said, that one I don't know about. Alternately, it might be that its a manga for adolescents that traded heavily in shocking revelations and based major plot points on what would appeal to the Japanese portions of the audience. It's possible that consistent explanations are not available because it's simply not consistent.

 

[redaeth]

Chakra is basically magic by another name. It doesn't make sense because magic doesn't make sense.

 

[Epsilon]

Mio's training schedule will include several new entries, like Saki Lifting, Running With a Saki on My Back, Juggling Saki, Chin-Ups with Saki Tied to My Legs, Spanking and Dominating Saki...

"W-wait, what was that last one?"

I think you missed my question - it's about techniques where at no point does the user manipulate actual dirt, rather than manufacture 'dirt' via their Earth-transformed chakra. That is, manipulate chakra they converted into a solid, tangible material that just happens to share at least some of the physical properties of dirt and dirt-like stuff; 's a difference, there.

While I suppose that depending on reading one could infer such a meaning to what Sirrocco said in the post I questioned, I don't like to assume in inference like that without strong indicators (which I don't feel were present), hence the question. Also, it doesn't address the Earth Grudge Fear/Earth Spear issue even if that interpretation is assumed - and that's a thing.

Doesn't matter what you or I think makes sense there; in the manga original it was labelled as a Doton-type technique, ditto data book reference of the technique.

So either Kakuzu and the databooks are lying... or we have to justify that tech's existence in any potential explanation that touches on Earth Nature Transformation.

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Earth Grudge Fear is not classified as an Earth Release technique in the databook or manga, if I remember correctly. It's a ninjutsu but not an elemental technique; more on the body-mod side like Orochimaru's creepy shit.

Earth Spear is a Doton though. It's a 'chakra flow' technique; Kakuzu circulates Earth Release chakra throughout his whole body to give it the hardening property of earth, thus making it near impervious. The closest parallel to this jutsu is actually the Fourth Raikage's Lightning Release Chakra Mode, which also falls under the 'chakra flow' classification.

[X] Can't it ? Putting aside that, as a Jounin, he may just have figured out a way how to do so, what are Suiton and Doton techniques but manipulating chakra you've 'vented' into an element, really?

 

[Bobs Beard]

Earth Grudge Fear is not classified as an Earth Release technique in the databook or manga, if I remember correctly. It's a ninjutsu but not an elemental technique; more on the body-mod side like Orochimaru's creepy shit.

Earth Spear is a Doton though.

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You're totally right - somewhere along the line I wrongly came to the conclusion that Earth Grudge Fear and Earth Spear were just two translations of the same tech, totally forgetting that his threads-and-heart-masks thing is itself a tech with an earth themed name.

...Man, Naruto has some confusing technique naming conventions; I can only look forward to Mio radically exacerbating that.

Mio: WATER RELEASE: SUPREME IDYLLIC WORLD!
Fuka: ...You just spat while doing a Futon, that doesn't make it a Suiton!
Mio: The great devil queen is not constrained by your expectations of truthful technique names, fool! Did you forget we are ninja!?
Fuka: ...Huh, that's actually a better rebuttal than I expected.
Mio: And that, you should have expected from THE GREAT AND PEERLESS DEVIL QU-
Fuka: Oh shut up.
Mio: Never!

EDIT: Corrected Futon/Suiton derp

 

[Plotvitalnpc]

Silly thought:
Mio would make an AWFUL customer for a book store. You've gotta keep a ninja from rapidly flipping through all your books and memorizing the appearance of all the pages perfectly, before reading it in their head at a later time.

 

[KinKrow]

[X] Can't it ? Putting aside that, as a Jounin, he may just have figured out a way how to do so, what are Suiton and Doton techniques but manipulating chakra you've 'vented' into an element, really ?

yfw Gai can casually into Reality Marbles.

 

[SolipsistSerpent]

Err... I thought I'd made it pretty clear. You have chakra, you have a dirt affinity. If you want something like Earth Armor, and you dont' want to have to depend on teh earth around you, you turn a block of your chakra into earth-aspected chakra. You then continue, turning some of that into dirt/rock/whatever, and keeping the rest aroudn to manipulate/control it.

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No, it seemed clear to me.

Probably manufacturing your own [Element] is harder/more chakra intensive or otherwise it wouldn't be so much rarer than manipulating what's already there, at least for Suiton and Doton.

You're totally right - somewhere along the line I wrongly came to the conclusion that Earth Grudge Fear and Earth Spear were just two translations of the same tech, totally forgetting that his threads-and-heart-masks thing is itself a tech with an earth themed name.

...Man, Naruto has some confusing technique naming conventions; I can only look forward to Mio radically exacerbating that.

Mio: WATER RELEASE: SUPREME IDYLLIC WORLD!
Fuka: ...You just spat while doing a Futon, that doesn't make it a Suiton!
Mio: The great devil queen is not constrained by your expectations of truthful technique names, fool! Did you forget we are ninja!?
Fuka: ...Huh, that's actually a better rebuttal than I expected.
Mio: And that, you should have expected from THE GREAT AND PEERLESS DEVIL QU-
Fuka: Oh shut up.
Mio: Never!

EDIT: Corrected Futon/Suiton derp

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I'm going to assume you mean Fuki there. Fuka (or Fuuka) is a pretty common name, but not one showing up in this quest. However, Ami's sidekick with the scarf is named Fuki.

You are right about confusing naming conventions, though.

 

[Happerry]

[X] Can't it ? Putting aside that, as a Jounin, he may just have figured out a way how to do so, what are Suiton and Doton techniques but manipulating chakra you've 'vented' into an element, really ?

 

[Bobs Beard]

I'm going to assume you mean Fuki there. Fuka (or Fuuka) is a pretty common name, but not one showing up in this quest. However, Ami's sidekick with the scarf is named Fuki.

You are right about confusing naming conventions, though.

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I am of the mind that if you aren't purposefully misspelling the names of the inconsequential side character OCs when referencing them - particularly when playing a character like Mio - then you are doing something wrong.

 

[MinorGryph]

[X] Can't it ? Putting aside that, as a Jounin, he may just have figured out a way how to do so, what are Suiton and Doton techniques but manipulating chakra you've 'vented' into an element, really ?

 

[DOOMPOTATO]

You're totally right - somewhere along the line I wrongly came to the conclusion that Earth Grudge Fear and Earth Spear were just two translations of the same tech, totally forgetting that his threads-and-heart-masks thing is itself a tech with an earth themed name.

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It's because all of Kakazu's techniques are Gundam puns, means that they all have very odd names that aren't really connected to what they actually do.

 

[prandom]

I am of the mind that if you aren't purposefully misspelling the names of the inconsequential side character OCs when referencing them - particularly when playing a character like Mio - then you are doing something wrong.

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Also, consequential side character OCs. Also, consequential canon characters.

Only the name of MIO is worthy.