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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

6 981 941.M41

And there we go.

A swarm of ships of various classifications erupt from the mining stations and floating shipyards, the brood brothers of the Cult of Destined Stars coming into the open in a frantic attempt to prevent Inquisitor Vail's ship warning nearby Imperial worlds.
Ah, P'ol of the Tau Empire. Currently in a committed relationship with a... Water Caste diplomat? And it seems a cult of the brood-children has gone hot in this system. That doesn't bode well, as that sort of thing typically precedes a Hive-Fleet's approach.

Naturally she wouldn't warn T'au Empire worlds, despite the obvious increase in efficiency that would cause. So if the envoy of self-proclaimed 'downtrodden masses' we received hadn't been spotted by our improved detection protocols, this could have ended up being jolly awkward.
Of course not, they're nominally enemies of Mankind. Enemies of moderate priority, especially compared to Tyranids, but still enemies.

Externus Exterminatus is officially listed as a 'yacht'. What that means is that it's between a frigate and a light cruiser in size, has its own navigators and astropaths and a… Decent gunnery. The ships attacking it vary from heavy freighters down to personal mining scouts that are trying to get inside the yacht's void shield envelope so that they can use their melta cutters on the turrets-.
So only, maybe, a mile in length or so. Quite petite by Imperial standards. Still quite useful, and basically her main ride. But sometimes you need to slum it to ensure the foe doesn't see you coming. Edit: Okay, her main personal ride. She does have the ability to requisition any Imperial vessel as needed...

Yep, that one just managed it, and now more are swarming the opening.

Odd, really. I'd expect an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor to have upgraded her ship's weapons with alien technology. Tau turrets would significantly outperform what she's currently using, but I suppose that's what being a puritan means.
That would be tech-heresy, after all. Can you imagine the binaric screeching of the techpriests? 😏

I transition forwards, right up to the hull of the heavily armoured cargo freighter currently trying to ram the Inquisitor. Her ship is trying to evade, but ships in the 41st millennium aren't the most agile and the cargo ship has had extra manoeuvring thrusters added to help if dodge asteroid clumps. Manoeuvring thrusters whose outlets I could stand inside without my head touching the upper interior surface, so… Tiny by Imperial standards.
Imperials do love to build them big. Mostly because their tech is so old and shit it's often necessary.

And out come the melta bombs. I flitter around, planting them on anything that looks exposed and important to the task of ramming the Externus Exterminatus. Nothing the locals can't fix, but this whole place is going to get annihilated by the Imperial Navy in a day or two so I doubt that matters. Punching through the hull would take more time than I want to spend, and… The sheer size of these ships makes actually doing enough damage to kill them frustratingly difficult.
Naturally, an out-of-context problem like a Lantern is capable of facerolling these guys. But he is one man, and not a combat-focused build.

There. Done. Now transition onto the bow of the Externus Exterminatus and detonate.

Can't see a darn thing from here. That ship is trying to collide with the one I'm standing on and I can barely see it. But my scans show that most of the melta bombs did the trick and the freighter's manoeuvring capacities have dropped right off.
So it's coasting purely on inertia for the most part. No doubt there's screaming amongst its command crew right now, and possibly executions. Edit: Well, there would be if they weren't telepathically interlinked by Genestealer brood telepathy...

I generate a railgun turret and start shooting the tiny mining scouts still trying to swarm the yacht. And the funny thing is that there's a good chance that the pilot and the Inquisitor have no idea that I'm here. Not like these things have much in the way of external cameras.

Ring, contact the ship.

Ave, Lanterna.
They've met him before, if I remember right? During a different sort of cult outbreak. Edit: Right, Cain, not her. But since she's associated with Cain, she probably got her hands on his reports pronto.

"This is the Externus Exterminatus, ship of His Most Holy Majesty's Inquisition. All servants of the throne are ordered to lend all possible aid. If you're the one who just-."

"The problem there is that I'm not a 'servant of the throne'. I'm Orange Lantern, and I need a word with Inquisitor Vail. Can that be arranged?"

"Stand by."
No doubt a moment to allow the Lady Inquisitor to stifle the swearing she no doubt broke into when she heard that.

I scan the exterior of the ship. A few long-ranged shots are causing the void shields to flare prettily, but they're not exactly overstressing them. The rule with Imperial ships is that two ships of the same class can usually batter down each others' shields, but won't be able to inflict significant hull damage before the shields reset. The few remaining scouts… They're hiding from the orange glow. I've got a null rod in subspace, but it doesn't have the range to try and disrupt them. I move the turret further away from the ship, giving it a better angle.
Such is the nature of working off the same techbase as your traitorous enemy. Void shields, for reference, are heavy enough that it takes a minimum of anti-tank weaponry to disable a single layer of dozens.

"This is Inquisitor Vail. What is an agent of the Tau Empire doing here?"

"The cultists were trying to convince us that they were totally on our side, and that they'd love it if we'd annex the system. We're not that gullible." Anymore. "Look, do you mind if I come inside? Your way to the Mandeville Point is clear and last time I rode a ship through the warp it got some unwanted attention. I was fine, the ship less so."
Good to see the Tau worlds he associates with aren't quite so naive at this stage... I assume the attention he attracts are daemons, and things like Gellar Fields make his trips a lot easier.

There's a brief delay.

"The closest maintenance hatch is unlocked."

"Ta everso."
Good, they're not being obnoxious about things today.

I fly up off the hull and around the crenellations and other gothic splurges until I find… The doorway wide enough for an entire maintenance team to leave simultaneously. And this isn't even one of the big doors. Those, you can drive tanks through three abreast.

Interface and open.
Once again: Imperial scale is wacky.

The doors open, and I disable the internal weapons before flying inside and closing the door behind me. The air starts cycling a moment later, and then the internal doors open with a quiet hiss of equalising pressure.

It leads out into a room containing lockers and spacesuits and some sort of manoeuvring frames. There's only one door leading into the ship's interior proper, so I head towards-.
Of course there are guns in the airlock.

A squad of armsmen enter, shotguns levelled. I take an instant to observe their discipline and professionalism, nod, and transition to… A heavy bulkhead door.

This could take a while.
Voidsmen-at-arms, for reference. Famously made their modern debut in the Kill-team game, and basically not-Guardsmen in space. The shotguns are probably the safest weapon aboard ship, with minimal risk of damaging the systems with pellets.

After scanning, transitioning and poking holes in a few walls, I finally arrive in the bridge briefing room and raise my right hand in greeting to Inquisitor Vail herself as I shield, scan and set alerts for when they take a crack at me. A few more armsmen level a few more guns at me, and the techpriest-. Is that a Mark I plasma pistol? I've only seen them used by the traitor legions…
Hope he patched those holes behind him, I doubt they appreciate him leaving pinprick gaps in their bulkheads.

I point at the tactical plot of the… Shuddering green hologram projector on the table. Far worse than the tau version, which has colours and anti-aliasing. It's showing local space and-.

"Yeah, don't worry about that one. I wrecked its thrusters. Just alter course a little and you'll be fine."
Ah, Imperial holography. The finest monochome graphics the Eighties could provide.

She looks up at one of the armsmen and nods, and he leaves the briefing room at a jog. I track him heading for the pilot's station, which… Isn't as insanely gothic as it might have been, but makes up for it in fortifications.

"Why are you here?"
A question asked by many people who encounter P'ol or his alternate selves. 😏Often with a little frustration.

"I had some good fortune recently, and I thought that I'd share." The data storage device which isn't built into a skull but should still be compatible with most imperial cogitators appears from subspace, and the techpriest starts furtively fiddling with something under his robes.
Well, it is tech, and he is a techpriest. While the Mechanicum might not like the idea of it, Tau tech is a little more advanced in some areas over Imperial, and though a hardliner might dismiss it as anathema, he'll still study it.

Hopefully, it's a scanner. I'm a married man after all.

I hold it out to the Inquisitor, but her eyes flick and an armsman comes forward to take it from me instead.

"What is it?"
Ah, I see he and his lady formalised matters. Good for them, even if she might have been a little bemused by the whole exercise.

"The birthright of all humans everywhere." I shrug. "I found a historical database on a derelict ship recently." True, though it was walking around at the time. "I… Don't think you'd be much interested in some of it… Certainly not in the catalogue of pre-Ecclesiarchy human religions and their beliefs for example, but the music should pass a purity screening. Some of it is recognisably the original inspiration for certain popular hymnals. I've already started distributing it amongst the human population of the Tau Empire and I can think of no one better than you to introduce it to the Imperium."
Now I wonder what else he found aboard it. A repository of what Imperials call Archeotech is a big thing, and Mechanicum priests would give their left nut (organic or cybernetic, natch) to get a sniff of it.

"I'm a little busy with Genestealer Cults at the moment. Based on the information you provided, they've been prioritised."

"And I'm glad to hear it." I nod, genuinely pleased. The Imperium, prioritising properly? But then I suppose that if 'they're coming for the Emperor' didn't make that happen then nothing would. "We've dealt with all of ours, tau and otherwise. But…" I raise my right hand in a placatory fashion. "We're dealing with a far smaller area."
Before anyone asks, he means that by some background material, the light of the Astronomican, Humanity's beacon in the Warp (and basically fuelled by the Corpse God-Emperor's soul,) is acting like a giant flame to the Tyranid's moth. They're making a beeline for the Milky Way, basically.

And dealing with them using an efficient police state, rather than the inefficient one she's got to deal with.

"Are you prepared to share the details?"
A rare occasion of the Tau's somewhat totalitarian government coming in useful. Imminent disaster tends to make a good knife for cutting through red tape.

"But of course! Tyranids are everyone's problem."

She looks past me. "Pelton, take him to the drawing room on kappa deck and make him comfortable. I will join you once we've transitioned to the warp."
And so she can finish swearing about him in relative privacy, too? :p

A return to the Warhammer 40,000 Paul alternate, and a fun sequence of showing just how tricky he can be. And a fun contrast to the events of the paragon OL plot. It'll be interesting to see what he's got lined up to share with Vail this time, besides the historical data, and what complications will arise to interfere with existing plans.
 
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Supnautica (Story Only)
4th May 2013
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Supnautica (part 9)
6 981 941.M41
Spacenautica (part 1)
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Supnautica (part 10)
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9 main, 2 alt then at least 3 main. A significantly more pleasant pattern than last chapter's.

Now transition onto the bow of the Externus Exterminatus
And the funny thing is that there's a good chance that the pilot and the Inquisitor have no idea that I'm here. Not like these things have much in the way of external cameras.
They do have big windows. Although if he is standing on the bow he is probably something like two to three kilometres away from the bridge.

"I found a historical database on a derelict ship recently." True, though it was walking around at the time.
'It' so probably not a Maltusians. Could be one of the bots, like the one they found with the burning martian. Assuming it is from the ship he was investigating last time.

And dealing with them using an efficient police state, rather than the inefficient one she's got to deal with.
Well if you are going to have tyranny it might as well be organised.
 
Not just a puritan. Just an imperium agent in general.

Unless you're a radical, or Cawl, but that's pretty much the same, then no alien tech for you.
Are you familiar with the c'tan phase sword or the ulumeathi plasma syphon? Ot the tesseract labyrinth?
And it seems the cult of the Four-armed Emperor has gone hot in this system.
Right army, wrong faction.
Still quite useful, and not her main ride.
I'm pretty sure it is? I mean, in theory she can requisition anything but it's the largest ship she owns personally.
That would be tech-heresy, after all. Can you imagine the binaric screeching of the techpriests?
I remember that in the Fire Warrior novel, a techpriest got rather excited by tau technology until his own implants made him hate it again.
So it's coasting purely on inertia for the most part. No doubt there's screaming amongst its command crew right now, and possibly executions.
No, genestealer cultists are one big happy family. They know that they're all trying their hardest, so there's no need for summary executions.
They've met him before, if I remember right? During a different sort of cult outbreak.
No, he met Cain but he's never met the inquisitor.
 
What happens when this SI rides a ship through the warp?
I expect he attracts a shitload of daemonic attention due to either his extra-universal nature or that fancy ring he has which Tzeentch at the very least would definitely want to yoink.

It's also possible that his lack of a soul has interesting interactions with the warp.

Not just a puritan. Just an imperium agent in general.

Unless you're a radical, or Cawl, but that's pretty much the same, then no alien tech for you.
Ordo Xenos inquisitors are notorious for making use of xenotechnology.
 
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Not just a puritan. Just an imperium agent in general.

Unless you're a radical, or Cawl, but that's pretty much the same, then no alien tech for you.
Nah, Inquisitors are frequently willing to give themselves exceptions even if they're reasonably conservative inquisitors. They're the most trusted of the Emperor's servants, after all, it's fine for the rules not to be applied.
 
Hopefully, it's a scanner. I'm a married man after all.
Huzzah!
I wonder if creating engram/uploaded minds from wise Tau as resources could develop over time. The Aeldari do it, though most souls are a bit confused. I'm talking about an electronic version of the Protoss's Khala, rather than robot bodies for these hypothetical minds. A library of memories, or networked holocrons.
 
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Thank you, corrected.
Huzzah!
I wonder if creating engram/uploaded minds from wise Tau as resources could develop over time. The Aeldari do it, though most souls are a bit confused. I'm talking about an electronic version of the Protoss's Khala, rather than robot bodies for these hypothetical minds. A library of memories, or networked holocrons.
The technology exists, but is rarely used.
 
Thank you, corrected.

The technology exists, but is rarely used.
Alright. Implanting a used chip into someone's head isn't what I would expect of the Tau. Poor Sha'vastos, that sounds traumatizing. Also it sounds like the Tau should just continue using the chips against Tyranids, Orks, and no-name alien scum, they are just a poor match for psykers. I guess ork weird boys could be a problem, but not a serious one.
 
I remember that in the Fire Warrior novel, a techpriest got rather excited by tau technology until his own implants made him hate it again.
General reminder here that Tau technology has literally no defense against even the most basic Scrap Code and an Inquisition employed techpriest would know this.
 
General reminder here that Tau technology has literally no defense against even the most basic Scrap Code and an Inquisition employed techpriest would know this.

As is typical, I see nothing on the page you cited that supports that Tau technology cannot resist scrapcode as well or better than Imperial tech.
 
As is typical, I see nothing on the page you cited that supports that Tau technology cannot resist scrapcode as well or better than Imperial tech.
And even if it was vulnerable to it at one point, there's nothing stopping the Tau from researching the phenomenon and finding a defense against it.

They're not against research like the Imperium is.
 
Spacenautica (part 2) New
6 982 941.M41

After shifting the shaped charge in the proffered seat into subspace and replacing the void with heretical tau padding foam, I started playing a thing or two from my new playlist.

It's amazing what survived the intervening 38000 years.

I mean, it's not the original singer, whatever his name was. And I don't think the instruments are the same. But the tune and the beat and the lyrics are there, and that's more than I had any right to hope for.

My guard is clearly uncomfortable with my choice of listening. Really, he could do a better job of covering it up: I didn't complain about the bomb or the nanotech in the drink he gave me.

"You don't like it?"

He doesn't look at me.

"You're not dressed like the eggmen, so I assume that you're one of the Inquisitor's acolytes? This is a perfect opportunity to gather useful information on an enemy whose behaviour you don't understand."

"I don't enjoy heretical music with traitors."

"Heretical?" I point upwards my right forefinger, raising my eyebrows. "Do you understand what he's saying? I thought English was a dead language; just me and the Emperor who know it now."

"Fine. What's he singing about?"

"He's a ganger who -after some self-reflection- has come to realise that the life he's living is evil and self-destructive, and is begging a priest to show him how to live better because he's literally never seen anyone live differently to him and has no idea what it's like."

A slight twitch of surprise undermines his aloof demeanour. "Oh."

"It's from M Two, by the way. Twenty eight thousand years before the founding of the Ecclesiarchy. Some parts of human nature are universal and unchanging."

"What god did the priest worship?"

"Ah… The God of Christianity didn't really have a name other than 'god'. I don't know if it existed in any literal sense. And if it did… Given the relative strength of human souls, I don't imagine that it survived the Age of Isolation intact."

"What's that supposed to mean?"

"The Eldar say that their gods are dead because they were torn apart when Slaanesh was born. But the warp storms of the Age of Isolation leading up to that event would have badly stressed all warp-based structures. Humans have less of a warp presence that Eldar, and given that I've seen no signs of the presence of older human gods I have to assume that any we created are all dead as well."

"The only human god is the Emperor."

"Depending on your definition of 'god' and 'human', that may well be correct." His expression hardens, and I raise my hands in mock surrender. "Let's not pretend that the chaos gods haven't eaten their share of willing human worshippers, contemptible as they are. And yes, I admit that I don't know for certain that our species generated other gods naturally, just that it would fit with what I know about warp mechanics."

"And what god do you worship?"

"I don't. I respect the Emperor for his tremendous ongoing sacrifice, but… Ah… Obviously I didn't look at the Imperium of Man and say 'yes, the being who created this is clearly a faultless divinity'."

His face hardens, and I think that I've lost him. And then the door opens and Inquisitor Vail strides in, techpriest in tow.

"Pelham, don't talk about religion with the Alpha-level heretic."

He bows his head in contrition. "I'm sorry, my lady."

"Alpha?" I spread out my arms in appeal. "Why don't I warrant Alpha-Plus? I fight armies!"

"Why?" She's affecting the manner of a stern school teacher, looking at me as if I was a disobedient child as she takes her place opposite me. "Because if you were Alpha-Plus we wouldn't be able to converse with you and dealing with the tau requires negotiation."

"You still send bloody temple assassins, though. So congratulate whoever did that for teaching the tau how to make hellfire and turbo-penetrator rounds. I'm sure your tank commanders will enjoy being on the receiving end." A bracer appears on my right forearm, a green blade extending from it. "This is beyond their technology, but I'm keeping it. Think carefully before-."

When the blade appeared, the techpriest gripped some sort of-.

"Hah!" I send the phase sword back into ironic subspace. "A null rod?" I take mine out of subspace and pointedly pat the head with my left palm. "Wrong approach, I'm afraid. It's really not warp-based."

Vail glances at the techpriest, and he stows his rod. So I return the favour by stowing mine. The Tau Empire can't produce null devices itself -as far as I know- but they've collected enough from Imperial wrecks that we're not desperate for it to make sense for me to steal his.

"Why are you here?"

"Did you test my blood?"

"Yes. You're human. Minimal mutations-."

"Come on." I frown. "'Minimal'?"

"No obvious warp-based mutations. You also lack any genetics we could trace to any known phenotype or to any known bio-augmetics."

"So on a purity scale of-."

"Your biology isn't the problem. The problem is that you've chosen to serve aliens."

"And you can't imagine why."

"Information on the second millennium is hard to come by."

"That wasn't a question."

She blinks slowly. "Why, then?"

I sit back, smiling ruefully. "Can you imagine how much human society has changed in thirty eight thousand years? In my day we only inhabited Earth. We had rocket-driven spacecraft, but no… Plasma thrusters or warp drives. No psykers, not that.. anyone knew about. I mean, the… Being you call The Emperor was around somewhere, but his existence wasn't public knowledge. I certainly didn't know about him. And you're probably thinking 'ignorant bumpkin from a industrial-age backwater', but I'm not. That was it. That was all we had. No Imperium, no Terran Federation or… Whatever. Just the one world."

I frown at her, leaning forwards.

"Can you imagine that?"

I think she's actually thinking about it.

"No. I don't think I can."

"And can you imagine what we did to get from there to here? Everything we had to learn about the mechanics of the universe, every theory guessed at, tested, revised… Everything we could imagine but couldn't yet build… We weren't even sure that faster than light travel would turn out to be possible."

The techpriest nods. "Through the blessings of the Machine God-."

"No you idiot!" I glare at him. "M Two! Your religion didn't even exist back then! We worked it out! For ourselves! No gods, only men! Hard material graft! And… You! You say that humanity's peak was in the past and try to recover it from… Fragments. You can't! It's gone! The only way to get back up there is to do it the same way we did the first time around! Like the tau do, and you don't!"

The techpriest glares at me. "Heresy."

I sit back in the chair, smiling faintly as the ring notifies me that someone tried to set off the explosive. "You lack our virtues, and try to pretend they're vices to make yourself feel better about your inadequacy. You want to know what the ancients would have thought of you? You're a child proudly displaying a full potty. And then replacing your own organs with the contents. Your civilisation disgusts me profoundly."

Inquisitor Vail remained almost completely still throughout that outburst. "And tau civilisation does not?"

I shrug. "They remind me of how we used to be. They're making a lot of mistakes, but they're learning and they're not repeating them." I shrug. "Too often. My kind of people. So… Yeah. That's why I picked the tau. Any other questions?"
 

The fact that it isn't Amish Paradise is profound proof that the universe is completely grimdark.

"Ah… The God of Christianity didn't really have a name other than 'god

He did in some denominations.

"Depending on your definition of 'god' and 'human', that may well be correct." His expression hardens, and I raise my hands in mock surrender. "Let's not pretend that the chaos gods haven't eaten their share of willing human worshippers, contemptible as they are. And yes, I admit that I don't know for certain that our species generated other gods naturally, just that it would fit with what I know about warp mechanics

Or the presence of the Emperor prevented any from forming, or he killed them.

"Why are you here?"

"Did you test my blood?"

"Yes. You're human. Minimal mutations-."

"Come on." I frown. "'Minimal

Well you are from thousands of years in the past.

I doubt the humans during the Great Crusade when all the talk about purity would have formed had the same genes as someone from the 21st century.

The techpriest nods. "Through the blessings of the Machine God-."

"No you idiot!" I glare at him. "M Two! Your religion didn't even exist back then! We worked it out! For ourselves! No gods, only men

Well if a certain dragon was around then they dud have some help.
 
Or the presence of the Emperor prevented any from forming, or he killed them.

Oh yea, because Games Workshop has never retconned or otherwise invalidated lore statements before.

Edit: To clarify, the 'prevent from forming' is actual lore from a GW author, if I recall correctly. I could be wrong!

He did in some denominations.

Probably not a wise idea to toss around names like that in a metasystem that includes the Warp. Besides, said names wouldn't mean much to his audience.
 
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Oh yea, because Games Workshop has never retconned or otherwise invalidated lore statements before.

Edit: To clarify, the 'prevent from forming' is actual lore from a GW author, if I recall correctly. I could be wrong!
As far as I am aware there isn't any lore on the subject, largely because nobody currently alive in the 42nd millennium other than the Ruinous Powers and those serving them know how gods actually form, and they sure as shit cannot be trusted.

But based on what we do know about how the Ruinous Powers formed, belief alone is insufficient to create a god; you need souls, lots and lots and lots and lots of souls. Far more souls than modern humanity could possibly have contributed.


So most likely the human gods simply never formed because there just weren't enough human souls available to clump together into a god.


e: I believe in one of the Xenology books its also implied that the human pagan gods were misinterpretations of the Aeldari gods, though as always with Xenology books this should be taken with a grain of salt.
 
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Or the presence of the Emperor prevented any from forming, or he killed them.
IIRC, there was a scene in a 40k book containing the corpses of humanity's gods. One of them had a crown of thorns. I'll try to find out more, but don't hold your breath.

Also, @Mr Zoat? You're cooking here. Keep doing that.
 
IIRC, there was a scene in a 40k book containing the corpses of humanity's gods. One of them had a crown of thorns. I'll try to find out more, but don't hold your breath.
I find that hard to believe given that it is very obvious that in the 40k-verse Christ and the Abrahamic God were inspired by\misinterpretations of the Emperor.

Other gods I could potentially buy having existed as Warp entities, though it wouldn't make sense because humanity just wasn't populous enough nor psychically powerful enough to manifest gods, but the Abrahamic God? Nah, that was very strongly implied to be the Emperor. (Though of course never explicitly stated because we don't want to upset Christians any more than usual.)
 
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After shifting the shaped charge in the proffered seat into subspace and replacing the void with heretical tau padding foam, I started playing a thing or two from my new playlist.

It's amazing what survived the intervening 38000 years.
Heh. Naturally the place they set him up was trapped to kill him if desired. And honestly, a surprise shaped charge to the kidney might have killed him before he could intensify his shields. Pity he's too sensible to not scan everything for threats.

I mean, it's not the original singer, whatever his name was. And I don't think the instruments are the same. But the tune and the beat and the lyrics are there, and that's more than I had any right to hope for.

My guard is clearly uncomfortable with my choice of listening. Really, he could do a better job of covering it up: I didn't complain about the bomb or the nanotech in the drink he gave me.
So a cover from decades later. Possibly remixed to high heck and back. Also, a nano-tech mickey? Boy, they must really want to take him, dead or alive.

"You don't like it?"

He doesn't look at me.
Even hearing this uncensored is probably heresy. Not that he could understand the words, both any version of Imperial Gothic not being English, and I doubt P'ol would extend him the courtesy of Ring translation.

"You're not dressed like the eggmen, so I assume that you're one of the Inquisitor's acolytes? This is a perfect opportunity to gather useful information on an enemy whose behaviour you don't understand."

"I don't enjoy heretical music with traitors."
Definitely a puritanical bent. I'm amazed he doesn't simply have earplugs in, but I suppose he has to be able to listen for any useful information or requests.

"Heretical?" I point upwards my right forefinger, raising my eyebrows. "Do you understand what he's saying? I thought English was a dead language; just me and the Emperor who know it now."

"Fine. What's he singing about?"
Ah, there you go. Nothing damning about asking a question, after all. 😏 Though I suppose who you ask and what you ask about count for a lot.

"He's a ganger who -after some self-reflection- has come to realise that the life he's living is evil and self-destructive, and is begging a priest to show him how to live better because he's literally never seen anyone live differently to him and has no idea what it's like."

A slight twitch of surprise undermines his aloof demeanour. "Oh."
Yes, it's a surprisingly insightful song, despite everyone assuming its meaning to be completely the opposite.

"It's from M Two, by the way. Twenty eight thousand years before the founding of the Ecclesiarchy. Some parts of human nature are universal and unchanging."

"What god did the priest worship?"
Ah, the Imperial timekeeping always sounds funny when you deal with numbers that small.

"Ah… The God of Christianity didn't really have a name other than 'god'. I don't know if it existed in any literal sense. And if it did… Given the relative strength of human souls, I don't imagine that it survived the Age of Isolation intact."

"What's that supposed to mean?"
The warp is a hungry thing, and minor powers fuelled by a single world don't last long.

"The Eldar say that their gods are dead because they were torn apart when Slaanesh was born. But the warp storms of the Age of Isolation leading up to that event would have badly stressed all warp-based structures. Humans have less of a warp presence that Eldar, and given that I've seen no signs of the presence of older human gods I have to assume that any we created are all dead as well."
Though the Emperor probably got some use out of their faded remains.

"The only human god is the Emperor."

"Depending on your definition of 'god' and 'human', that may well be correct." His expression hardens, and I raise my hands in mock surrender. "Let's not pretend that the chaos gods haven't eaten their share of willing human worshippers, contemptible as they are. And yes, I admit that I don't know for certain that our species generated other gods naturally, just that it would fit with what I know about warp mechanics."
Admittedly, he doesn't exactly know all that much. Metaknowledge only goes so far, and 40k kind of runs on bullshitium.

"And what god do you worship?"

"I don't. I respect the Emperor for his tremendous ongoing sacrifice, but… Ah… Obviously I didn't look at the Imperium of Man and say 'yes, the being who created this is clearly a faultless divinity'."
Oof. If he wasn't protected by his Ring and the fact they need him alive for stuff, that would have earned a 'blamming' from just about any Imperial.

His face hardens, and I think that I've lost him. And then the door opens and Inquisitor Vail strides in, techpriest in tow.

"Pelham, don't talk about religion with the Alpha-level heretic."
Your fault for leaving him without earplugs.

He bows his head in contrition. "I'm sorry, my lady."

"Alpha?" I spread out my arms in appeal. "Why don't I warrant Alpha-Plus? I fight armies!"
You're one man, no matter how powerful. And you can only be in one place at a time.

"Why?" She's affecting the manner of a stern school teacher, looking at me as if I was a disobedient child as she takes her place opposite me. "Because if you were Alpha-Plus we wouldn't be able to converse with you and dealing with the tau requires negotiation."

"You still send bloody temple assassins, though. So congratulate whoever did that for teaching the tau how to make hellfire and turbo-penetrator rounds. I'm sure your tank commanders will enjoy being on the receiving end." A bracer appears on my right forearm, a green blade extending from it. "This is beyond their technology, but I'm keeping it. Think carefully before-."
Ooh, a C'tan phase sword. Old Necron technology used by the Callidus temple. Notable for basically ignoring nearly any kind of shielding technology (On the tabletop, it ignores Invulnerable Saves.) One guess why they tried it on him.

When the blade appeared, the techpriest gripped some sort of-.

"Hah!" I send the phase sword back into ironic subspace. "A null rod?" I take mine out of subspace and pointedly pat the head with my left palm. "Wrong approach, I'm afraid. It's really not warp-based."
Phew, for a second, I though he was gripping something else. But that part has probably long since been removed anyway as 'inefficient'.

Vail glances at the techpriest, and he stows his rod. So I return the favour by stowing mine. The Tau Empire can't produce null devices itself -as far as I know- but they've collected enough from Imperial wrecks that we're not desperate for it to make sense for me to steal his.
Heh. Guys. Leave them alone long enough and they'll whip things out to compare...

"Why are you here?"

"Did you test my blood?"
Awfully big risk, giving them samples, but I suppose he needed to make a point about something.

"Yes. You're human. Minimal mutations-."

"Come on." I frown. "'Minimal'?"
Honestly, given some of the gene-modding during the golden age of technology, he probably does seem like an inferior specimen of 'Human', lacking implanted traits they take as standard these days.

"No obvious warp-based mutations. You also lack any genetics we could trace to any known phenotype or to any known bio-augmetics."

"So on a purity scale of-."
And I would not have been surprised if they tried to trace his family lineage, just so they could take hostages or something.

"Your biology isn't the problem. The problem is that you've chosen to serve aliens."

"And you can't imagine why."
Because the Imperium is such a wonderful place to exist, eh?

"Information on the second millennium is hard to come by."

"That wasn't a question."

She blinks slowly. "Why, then?"
Ah, and there you go. Give him a reason to explain his decisions. To explain his actions... To monologue.

I sit back, smiling ruefully. "Can you imagine how much human society has changed in thirty eight thousand years? In my day we only inhabited Earth. We had rocket-driven spacecraft, but no… Plasma thrusters or warp drives. No psykers, not that.. anyone knew about. I mean, the… Being you call The Emperor was around somewhere, but his existence wasn't public knowledge. I certainly didn't know about him. And you're probably thinking 'ignorant bumpkin from a industrial-age backwater', but I'm not. That was it. That was all we had. No Imperium, no Terran Federation or… Whatever. Just the one world."
Literally unthinkable to modern Humans, given that all but the most isolated worlds know they are part of something larger than themselves.

I frown at her, leaning forwards.

"Can you imagine that?"
The question is more, 'would she want to?' If she believes the Imperium is so superior...

I think she's actually thinking about it.

"No. I don't think I can."
Like trying to explain colours to the blind. No frame of reference to compare it to.

"And can you imagine what we did to get from there to here? Everything we had to learn about the mechanics of the universe, every theory guessed at, tested, revised… Everything we could imagine but couldn't yet build… We weren't even sure that faster than light travel would turn out to be possible."
Given it took all of sixty-ish years to go from powered heavier-than-air flight to the most basic space flight... Imagine how much farther things could advance in just six thousand years at that rate. Now imagine how much further that would go given another ten thousand year on top.

The techpriest nods. "Through the blessings of the Machine God-."

"No you idiot!" I glare at him. "M Two! Your religion didn't even exist back then! We worked it out! For ourselves! No gods, only men! Hard material graft! And… You! You say that humanity's peak was in the past and try to recover it from… Fragments. You can't! It's gone! The only way to get back up there is to do it the same way we did the first time around! Like the tau do, and you don't!"
Ooh, that's gonna cheese the toaster-lover off. Given their love of historical revisionism, just implying there was no Mechanicum back in the day would be...

The techpriest glares at me. "Heresy."

I sit back in the chair, smiling faintly as the ring notifies me that someone tried to set off the explosive. "You lack our virtues, and try to pretend they're vices to make yourself feel better about your inadequacy. You want to know what the ancients would have thought of you? You're a child proudly displaying a full potty. And then replacing your own organs with the contents. Your civilisation disgusts me profoundly."
At least he isn't trying to actively dismantle that society. Probably because it's too big to tear down.

Inquisitor Vail remained almost completely still throughout that outburst. "And tau civilisation does not?"

I shrug. "They remind me of how we used to be. They're making a lot of mistakes, but they're learning and they're not repeating them." I shrug. "Too often. My kind of people. So… Yeah. That's why I picked the tau. Any other questions?"
Certainly, people don't shout 'heresy' at him for merely existing and try to kill him.

Heh. P'ol certainly making his feelings on the Imperium very clear. Hopefully Vail doesn't take it too personally and remains willing to work with him, because there are Inquisitors who would have been foaming at the mouth and waving their sidearm around in rage at some of the stuff he said. Perhaps one day P'ol could give one a fatal heart attack just by talking. 😏
 
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Besides, said names wouldn't mean much to his audience.

That may not necessarily be true.

Some form of Christianity did survive during the Crusade era, like Pius's faith, and in a short story, Death of a Silversmith, there was a book with details about ancient religions, so some religious knowledge can survive in hostile environments.

Plus, there is the Ecclesiarchy and Lorgar you have to consider.

The Ecclesiarchy is a cult that gained power, and cults tend to borrow pieces from other religions all the time.

And Lorgar wrote their holy book, so he may have added the names of ancient gods in there to spite his dad.

I find that hard to believe given that it is very obvious that in the 40k-verse Christ and the Abrahamic God were inspired by\misinterpretations of the Emperor.

Other gods I could potentially buy having existed as Warp entities, though it wouldn't make sense because humanity just wasn't populous enough nor psychically powerful enough to manifest gods, but the Abrahamic God? Nah, that was very strongly implied to be the Emperor. (Though of course never explicitly stated because we don't want to upset Christians any more than usual.)

Unless the Emperor inspired those gods, but they eventually formed separately from him.
 
Unless the Emperor inspired those gods, but they eventually formed separately from him.
That's not really how it works; worship of different versions of an entity goes to the entity, it doesn't form new gods. This is why there are like half a dozen different versions of each Chaos God, but they're just that; versions, not actual unique individual beings: Tchar the Raven God does not actually exist, its just Tzeentch in a raven fursuit.

All the Abrahamic worship would have been going to the Emperor, not to a new entity. If the Emperor didn't have such a massive Warp presence that might be different, but his presence in the Warp is powerful enough to contend directly with the Ruinous Powers, so it would have almost certainly drawn all related souls to it rather than them coalescing as a new entity.

(Incidentally it's also implied that the Emperor was responsible for many other pantheons as well, with him being Buddha and Indra and soforth, basically he kept attempting to be an enlightened religious leader and he kept fucking it up until he eventually decided that it was a better idea to hide in the background and leave humanity to run itself, and those attempts resulted in the various religions of Earth.)
 
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Though the Emperor probably got some use out of their faded remains.

There is that theory that the Primarchs were Warp Beings stuffed into superhuman bodies.

The warp is a hungry thing, and minor powers fuelled by a single world don't last long.

Though with humanity spreading to the stars, it's likely they brought their religion with them, so now those minor Warp entities have potentially trillions of new followers on thousands of worlds to feed them.

and 40k kind of runs on bullshitium.

The Eye of Terror is basically just a cosmic anal fissure.

Phew, for a second, I though he was gripping something else. But that part has probably long since been removed anyway as 'inefficient'.

They need something a bit different for their toasters.

Though I am reminded of a DC/Marvel fic I read years ago where if I remember correctly, there was a technopath mutant that got really excited seeing a Lantern ring.

And I would not have been surprised if they tried to trace his family lineage, just so they could take hostages or something

Given the timeline, it's likely that he, or at least his family, are the ancestors of everybody.
 
Other gods I could potentially buy having existed as Warp entities, though it wouldn't make sense because humanity just wasn't populous enough nor psychically powerful enough to manifest gods, but the Abrahamic God? Nah, that was very strongly implied to be the Emperor. (Though of course never explicitly stated because we don't want to upset Christians any more than usual.)
Not necessarily the case. Lesser Daemon or Fury tier entities can be formed just from the emotions of a handful of people. During the age of man, the Three were pretty sleepy and the Immaterium was much calmer so it's feasible that human "gods" were lower powered warp beings that may have eventually evolved to higher status over time.
All the Abrahamic worship would have been going to the Emperor, not to a new entity. If the Emperor didn't have such a massive Warp presence that might be different, but his presence in the Warp is powerful enough to contend directly with the Ruinous Powers, so it would have almost certainly drawn all related souls to it rather than them coalescing as a new entity.
Keep in mind the Anatolian's insistence on not being a god though. If worship alone is enough to form empyrean beings, then it's possible his refusal to be a god would prevent him from actually "absorbing" the worship, allowing it to form entities inspired by him.
 
"He's a ganger who -after some self-reflection- has come to realise that the life he's living is evil and self-destructive, and is begging a priest to show him how to live better because he's literally never seen anyone live differently to him and has no idea what it's like."
You know it's funny. I didn't actually click the link so I recognized the song just from the description alone. And I don't think I've even ever noticed that the narrator in that song was talking to a priest.
 
Not necessarily the case. Lesser Daemon or Fury tier entities can be formed just from the emotions of a handful of people. During the age of man, the Three were pretty sleepy and the Immaterium was much calmer so it's feasible that human "gods" were lower powered warp beings that may have eventually evolved to higher status over time.
Daemons (but not daemon princes) are part of the god they serve. It's why daemons like Vashtorr refuse to serve a god and seek their own divinity instead; if Vashtorr signed up with one of the Ruinous Powers he would become part of them.

When you see say a daemon of Tzeentch, it is not actually its own being, it is a teeny tiny piece of Tzeentch, a metaphorical finger of the greater god.

If worship alone is enough to form empyrean beings
It isn't, you need souls as well: Every single Warp god we have seen was formed from countless billions upon billions of souls at minimum. (And for the Ruinous Powers it was a lot more than that.) Even Furies are created from souls, likely individual souls given how incredibly weak they are by daemonic standards.

Worship alone only provides power, its why undirected worship and worship of things that do not actually exist is such a bad thing; any daemon can just slide on past and suck up all that worship for itself.


Humanity at that point in its history just does not have either the numbers or the psychic power to form any kind of significant warp entity even if the Emperor wasn't interfering, which he almost certainly was even if only by accident.
 
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Daemons (but not daemon princes) are part of the god they serve. It's why daemons like Vashtorr refuse to serve a god and seek their own divinity instead; if Vashtorr signed up with one of the Ruinous Powers he would become part of them.

When you see say a daemon of Tzeentch, it is not actually its own being, it is a teeny tiny piece of Tzeentch, a metaphorical finger of the greater god.


It isn't, you need souls as well: Every single Warp god we have seen was formed from countless billions upon billions of souls at minimum. (And for the Ruinous Powers it was a lot more than that.) Even Furies are created from souls, likely individual souls given how incredibly weak they are by daemonic standards.

Worship alone only provides power, its why undirected worship and worship of things that do not actually exist is such a bad thing; any daemon can just slide on past and suck up all that worship for itself.


Humanity at that point in its history just does not have either the numbers or the psychic power to form any kind of significant warp entity even if the Emperor wasn't interfering, which he almost certainly was even if only by accident.


I want to disagree but 40k lore is so schizophrenic at times I find I can't do so in good faith
 

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