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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)
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Human. People. The only good thing about calling a subset of people 'mutants' is that they aren't being called Inhumans. Jesus I know they are called that for comic book reasons but realistically like how October Day created a story based on her belief of how bad these people could use a decent lawyer I think some folks could use a PR professional. New-Types, Enhanced, Parahumans, Metahumans, X-geners, Empowered, Nex-Gen, The NEXT, X-ers, something that was made with some thought beyond calling them something with the connotations that the X-Men and King Black Bolts people are a thing that should be chained up in the garage where visitors are charged 5 Bucks to get a look at them!
Those people that live in the sewers in that one X-Men episode because they are unfortunate to have mutations that are too ugly and grotesque to peacefully live above ground? THAT'S WHAT I IMAGINED when I heard a story about mutants.
The word mutant and Inhuman unpeoples them.
I really need to get around to that show. Don't tell me of you mean the Assimilation or the sun.
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Paul has a power ring.
I know you don't know what that means, but unless Sinister has access to reality warping powers then he's screwed.
We've seen power rings assimilate and brand gods, demons, powerful spirits and immortals.
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30th Septermber 1995
17:43 GMT -5
Parker luck…
The sentinel swivels its head a hundred and seventy degrees and warms up its eye-mounted plasma weapons, easily burning off Mr. Parker's somewhat hopeful web coating. Anne-Marie should be in the control room running through the deactivation process-
"What is this?!"
-but Mr. Parker's already taken a couple of nasty knocks and this really isn't doing anything to encourage cordial relations going forwards.
"Training!"
I throw up a shield to block the sentinel's shot, then stick a friction-free sheet under its feet before grabbing its right calf with a construct gauntlet and pulling. First time I tried this I embarrassed myself because I couldn't generate enough force, but with the friction gone-. Yes, over it goes, and that's one that Henry or Forge won't have to rebuild later because its internal mechanisms can easily survive something like that.
"I think you guys take the 'no soliciting' thing a bit too seriously!"
Yes, its control system has realised that it can't get up quickly so it just raised its hands and fired from there, red beams slamming into my shield and being blocked, though the shield is looking a bit ropey.
"When I joined? I phoned ahead!"
"Well excuse me, Princess! I wasn't expecting giant robots at a school!"
He looks up, eyes… I'm assuming they're getting wider, but the mask makes it look like they're wide all the time, as two more sentinels trudge our way. Scott blasts one in the next from the entrance, sending the head flying into the side wall. The other extends an arm in both directions, a volley from each palm forcing Scott into cover and wrecking my shield.
I dart aside as Mr. Parker leaps, plasma bolts raining down where we were an instant before.
"Your tax dollars at work. Maybe you remember the Mutant Registration Act?"
"I want a rebate!"
Pshhhhhhuuuuuu!
I relax slightly as the robots lose power. Not completely relaxed, because these things can be worryingly clever at times.
"Is that it?" Mr. Parker has attached himself to the side wall and is twitching with adrenaline. "My work-out routine usually involves less lasers, but I guess I'm not too old to learn new tricks."
Scott steps back into the open, right hand hovering near the activation switch for his visor. "We fought things like this for real before. We don't intend to forget how to beat them."
Mr. Parker pushes off the wall into a front flip, landing in a crouch just in front of Scott. "And who are you supposed to be, Cyclops?"
Scott nods. "Yes."
I fly over as Anne-Marie makes her way down from the control room and Mr. Parker takes a moment to get his head around how on the nose Scott's codename is.
"Oh. Okay, I guess that makes sense. I'm looking for a guy named Professor Charles Xavier? He's supposed to be an expert in genetic mutation."
I wince. "I'm sorry, but he and his girlfriend are taking a short break out of the country. They'll be back in a few days…" I shrug awkwardly. "If you'd phoned ahead we could have told you that."
Mr. Parker punches the floor plating. And.. leaves a dent. "Damn it!"
Yeah, I… Forget how much stronger than a normal man he is sometimes. Anne-Marie and Jean walk in as he gets himself back under control.
"Ah, Doctor McCoy should be back later this evening if you've got a scientific enquiry? If you're looking for physical backup, we can-."
"No, that's not-. I'm looking for someone who knows how to stop me mutating before things get even worse!"
…
My x-gene bearing colleagues go very still for a moment.
I raise my hands. "Why don't I handle this?"
Scott breathes out. "Yeah. I think that's probably a good idea. Spiderman, Orange Lantern will handle… Whatever you're looking for."
He turns and leads Anne-Marie and Jean out, the Danger Room door slamming closed behind them.
"What did I say?"
I exhale. "You basically did the equivalent of walking into a National Association for the Advancement of Colored People annual general meeting and announcing that you didn't want to be no no-account nigger no more. Now, I don't think you meant it-"
He recoils. "No!"
"-like that, but that's what it sounded like to people who've been attacked in the streets by the Friends of Humanity for years, and they're a lot more physical in their attacks than Mister Jameson is. So: breathe in. Count to five."
I wait for a mental 'five' count.
"Breathe out." He does. "Now. You've been active as a superhero for years, with the same powers. You've maintained a secret identity, so if you want to quit then you can. What's the problem? With a little more detail, this time."
"I got my powers in-. I got them a few weeks before I started out as Spider-Man. But lately they've been randomly cutting out in the middle of fights. I went to see Doc Conn-. Doctor Curt Connors, he-."
"I'm-" I nod. "-familiar with his work. Attempting to grant humans the regenerative abilities of reptiles?"
"Yeah. I thought I might just have the flu or something, but I watched my D.N.A. literally fall apart under the microscope."
"Oh. Sugar." Scan. "Um, do you have a preserved sample of blood or tissue from before that started happening?"
"Ah, yeah. Why?"
"It's a bit invasive, but I should be able to reset you back to that state myself. Ah, obviously you'd.. eventually progress to the point you're at now again-."
"Hey, if it gives me more time to work on this then I'm all for it. But I was kinda hoping that Professor Xavier had some way to fix this. I'd like to keep my powers, but I'd kinda like to avoid falling apart genetically even more."
"Heh. Ah. See, if you'd started with 'I'm losing my powers and I want to keep them', then it would have gone over a lot better. For people with the x-gene, suggesting that it's a disease or something that needs to be 'cured' is really insensitive. But in your case… Yeah, if it's actually killing you then you do need to do something."
He nods. "You seem to be taking it a lot better than the others."
"Oh." I raise my left hand. "I'm the token baseline human on the team. The orange force fields come from this ring, not from anything innate to me."
"Oh. Guess you don't need to worry about your D.N.A. decaying."
"No. Going crazy because it messes with my emotions, yes. D.N.A. breakdown, no. So, ah, why don't I fly us back to Doctor Connor's laboratory and we can go from there."
He turns towards the door, then hesitates. "I… Guess I should probably apologise to your friends, first."
I nod. "I think that's probably a good idea."
17:43 GMT -5
Parker luck…
The sentinel swivels its head a hundred and seventy degrees and warms up its eye-mounted plasma weapons, easily burning off Mr. Parker's somewhat hopeful web coating. Anne-Marie should be in the control room running through the deactivation process-
"What is this?!"
-but Mr. Parker's already taken a couple of nasty knocks and this really isn't doing anything to encourage cordial relations going forwards.
"Training!"
I throw up a shield to block the sentinel's shot, then stick a friction-free sheet under its feet before grabbing its right calf with a construct gauntlet and pulling. First time I tried this I embarrassed myself because I couldn't generate enough force, but with the friction gone-. Yes, over it goes, and that's one that Henry or Forge won't have to rebuild later because its internal mechanisms can easily survive something like that.
"I think you guys take the 'no soliciting' thing a bit too seriously!"
Yes, its control system has realised that it can't get up quickly so it just raised its hands and fired from there, red beams slamming into my shield and being blocked, though the shield is looking a bit ropey.
"When I joined? I phoned ahead!"
"Well excuse me, Princess! I wasn't expecting giant robots at a school!"
He looks up, eyes… I'm assuming they're getting wider, but the mask makes it look like they're wide all the time, as two more sentinels trudge our way. Scott blasts one in the next from the entrance, sending the head flying into the side wall. The other extends an arm in both directions, a volley from each palm forcing Scott into cover and wrecking my shield.
I dart aside as Mr. Parker leaps, plasma bolts raining down where we were an instant before.
"Your tax dollars at work. Maybe you remember the Mutant Registration Act?"
"I want a rebate!"
Pshhhhhhuuuuuu!
I relax slightly as the robots lose power. Not completely relaxed, because these things can be worryingly clever at times.
"Is that it?" Mr. Parker has attached himself to the side wall and is twitching with adrenaline. "My work-out routine usually involves less lasers, but I guess I'm not too old to learn new tricks."
Scott steps back into the open, right hand hovering near the activation switch for his visor. "We fought things like this for real before. We don't intend to forget how to beat them."
Mr. Parker pushes off the wall into a front flip, landing in a crouch just in front of Scott. "And who are you supposed to be, Cyclops?"
Scott nods. "Yes."
I fly over as Anne-Marie makes her way down from the control room and Mr. Parker takes a moment to get his head around how on the nose Scott's codename is.
"Oh. Okay, I guess that makes sense. I'm looking for a guy named Professor Charles Xavier? He's supposed to be an expert in genetic mutation."
I wince. "I'm sorry, but he and his girlfriend are taking a short break out of the country. They'll be back in a few days…" I shrug awkwardly. "If you'd phoned ahead we could have told you that."
Mr. Parker punches the floor plating. And.. leaves a dent. "Damn it!"
Yeah, I… Forget how much stronger than a normal man he is sometimes. Anne-Marie and Jean walk in as he gets himself back under control.
"Ah, Doctor McCoy should be back later this evening if you've got a scientific enquiry? If you're looking for physical backup, we can-."
"No, that's not-. I'm looking for someone who knows how to stop me mutating before things get even worse!"
…
My x-gene bearing colleagues go very still for a moment.
I raise my hands. "Why don't I handle this?"
Scott breathes out. "Yeah. I think that's probably a good idea. Spiderman, Orange Lantern will handle… Whatever you're looking for."
He turns and leads Anne-Marie and Jean out, the Danger Room door slamming closed behind them.
"What did I say?"
I exhale. "You basically did the equivalent of walking into a National Association for the Advancement of Colored People annual general meeting and announcing that you didn't want to be no no-account nigger no more. Now, I don't think you meant it-"
He recoils. "No!"
"-like that, but that's what it sounded like to people who've been attacked in the streets by the Friends of Humanity for years, and they're a lot more physical in their attacks than Mister Jameson is. So: breathe in. Count to five."
I wait for a mental 'five' count.
"Breathe out." He does. "Now. You've been active as a superhero for years, with the same powers. You've maintained a secret identity, so if you want to quit then you can. What's the problem? With a little more detail, this time."
"I got my powers in-. I got them a few weeks before I started out as Spider-Man. But lately they've been randomly cutting out in the middle of fights. I went to see Doc Conn-. Doctor Curt Connors, he-."
"I'm-" I nod. "-familiar with his work. Attempting to grant humans the regenerative abilities of reptiles?"
"Yeah. I thought I might just have the flu or something, but I watched my D.N.A. literally fall apart under the microscope."
"Oh. Sugar." Scan. "Um, do you have a preserved sample of blood or tissue from before that started happening?"
"Ah, yeah. Why?"
"It's a bit invasive, but I should be able to reset you back to that state myself. Ah, obviously you'd.. eventually progress to the point you're at now again-."
"Hey, if it gives me more time to work on this then I'm all for it. But I was kinda hoping that Professor Xavier had some way to fix this. I'd like to keep my powers, but I'd kinda like to avoid falling apart genetically even more."
"Heh. Ah. See, if you'd started with 'I'm losing my powers and I want to keep them', then it would have gone over a lot better. For people with the x-gene, suggesting that it's a disease or something that needs to be 'cured' is really insensitive. But in your case… Yeah, if it's actually killing you then you do need to do something."
He nods. "You seem to be taking it a lot better than the others."
"Oh." I raise my left hand. "I'm the token baseline human on the team. The orange force fields come from this ring, not from anything innate to me."
"Oh. Guess you don't need to worry about your D.N.A. decaying."
"No. Going crazy because it messes with my emotions, yes. D.N.A. breakdown, no. So, ah, why don't I fly us back to Doctor Connor's laboratory and we can go from there."
He turns towards the door, then hesitates. "I… Guess I should probably apologise to your friends, first."
I nod. "I think that's probably a good idea."
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'and is'
Yeah, he's very, very strong.
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James Jonah Jameson in the average Spider-Man comic Versus James Jonah Jameson in the average X-Men comic.
Triple J is committed to fighting the good fight when it comes to integrity in journalism... Except when that no good wall-crawling menace Spider-Man is around!
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Well, it really helps that in the episode, the Sentinels were actually just holodeck holograms and disappeared with the scenery as soon as the Danger Room was powered down. Which I'm like 75% sure is thanks to whatever alien tech they've upgraded the Danger Room with, but considering how crazy the Marvel Animated Universe can get, could also be Earth-genius tech.
In the episode, Peter straight up breaks out of the all metal straight jacket the security system wrapped him in and was busting through locked scifi metal doors when running from the X-Men. Only one stronger in that room was Rogue.
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Eh, Pete didn't do anything wrong. He didn't say "make me not a mutant" he said "I want to stop mutating"
None of the x-men are actively mutating. Their x-genes turned on and then stayed on.
If any one of them were fucking unravelling on a genetic level, they'd want to undo it too.
To say nothing of the constant critique that the x-men are the 'pretty mutants' and all the unlucky ones live in the sewers are Morloks.
This version of Paul could do some good by going around 'fixing' mutants who got really shitty powers like 'one eye' or 'vestigle arm growing out of centre of chest' or 'transparent flesh but not bones of veins' or 'hydrochloric acid sweat'
"Oh it's racially insensitive"
Fuck off. These people are fucking sick, and they need help. Not like you, miss perfect weather-controller.
None of the x-men are actively mutating. Their x-genes turned on and then stayed on.
If any one of them were fucking unravelling on a genetic level, they'd want to undo it too.
To say nothing of the constant critique that the x-men are the 'pretty mutants' and all the unlucky ones live in the sewers are Morloks.
This version of Paul could do some good by going around 'fixing' mutants who got really shitty powers like 'one eye' or 'vestigle arm growing out of centre of chest' or 'transparent flesh but not bones of veins' or 'hydrochloric acid sweat'
"Oh it's racially insensitive"
Fuck off. These people are fucking sick, and they need help. Not like you, miss perfect weather-controller.
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Yeah, I feel like Peter didn't actually say anything offensive and the X men are overreacting. Not really a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
Also, I seem to remember that Beast had a mutation that actually did progress and change him over time. Like he wasn't always so animal like and had blue fur. Part of his story was trying to stop his mutation from progressing and doing research on it, right?
This is like a exact match to early Beasts storyline.
You would think they would understand someone being concerned with their power or mutation doing something to them.
Also, I seem to remember that Beast had a mutation that actually did progress and change him over time. Like he wasn't always so animal like and had blue fur. Part of his story was trying to stop his mutation from progressing and doing research on it, right?
This is like a exact match to early Beasts storyline.
You would think they would understand someone being concerned with their power or mutation doing something to them.
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They didn't actually know that at this time. This is the episode where the X-Men actually learn that Beast once tried to stop his mutation from progressing into the "blue furry" stage. In the fact, the bad guy is someone who once worked with Beast on that project and continued on after Beast stopped. Not with the intention of curing mutation of course but to find a "better" way of killing mutants. And the assistant he had helping him was actually secretly a mutant herself who wanted a "cure" for her condition despite being one of the "pretty" mutants who just got a neat power and no physical deformity.
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I thought the exact same thing at that scene.
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Ah ok.
I thought that had happened much earlier in the show.
Though there have been a lot of X men shows at this point so I might be getting events mixed up between them.
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Training simulation mode, of course. So no lethal-intensity attacks. But getting knocked around still hurts. And it's got no restrictions about freeing itself from bindings like that. Hence why it turned it's head away from any potential targets, I bet.
But are they actual decommissioned and reprogrammed Sentinels, or just combat platforms built to look like them, I wonder? Doubt they have the full holo-matter sims of Shi'ar tech yet, after all.
I mean, Paul could rebuild it himself if he really had to... Or does he just prefer to let the experts handle it.
Hasn't quite realised the trick of layered fields, I suppose. Or he's just thinking of the outer layer.
Goddammit, I can hear the animated voice... At least it wasn't Link.
Ah, the joy of realistic worlds rather than the conveniences of animated shows. Not that the animated series had much motion in his lenses anyway...
Kind of a shit-show, that. Not helped by the panic over 'monsters in our midst' their media was pushing. In the comics, they even published stuff like 'artist's depictions of the future' with human slaves and 'Mutant overseers'... Back in Uncanny X-men 14. A story created by the creator of the Sentinels, in fact...
...Sometimes, the Spidey quips don't hit.
I'd be amazed if he was out of his teens yet, not that he presents that in his public persona.
To be fair, the X-men aren't widely known yet. beyond a general 'group of mutant vigilantes'. I doubt even Beast is that well known despite having stood trial for that break-in back in the series opener.
I mean, there are worse names for a guy with eyebeams. Gazerbeam, for instance.
Hmm... Not Moira MacTaggert, surely? Too early for Lilandra...
People always forget just how strong Spidey is, yes. 'Proportional Strength of a Spider' isn't just talk. He does pull his shots against most people, but when it comes down to it, he can lift upwards of ten-plus tons, closer to twenty or even more if determined or angry enough.
...Ooh, wrong choice of words in this company, perhaps.
Yes, before someone says something that sours their relationship permanently.
I suspect if he'd kept talking, Petey would have been eating an optic blast before long.
And while Spidey's charismatic, I don't think things would go down very well if he'd kept it up. Just be glad Wolverine wasn't here or something...
Well, Jonah does have issues with masked folks due to a family tragedy. Doesn't excuse him backing the creation of supervillains to go after Spidey...
Given the whole 'Neogenic Nightmare' storyline ahead of him, this is a little more complicated than wanting to quit.
And he managed it, albeit with some side-effects. Not exactly the final product, of course...
...Must have been one hell of a microscope.
Then again, he probably meant his cells, not his DNA. Not that most kids watching the show would have understood the difference.So more palliative care than a solution, merely regressing the symptoms. But it might prevent him from taking random serums on the off-chance it'd fix it.
Given that it's death or mutating into a man-spider (which happened in canon, temporarily) I think he'd grab at any chance to prevent it.
A fine tradition of X-Men teams, really. Carol Danvers served on at least one X-Man team in the comics during a period when she was depowered, as did a few other people who got caught up in their stuff.
Definitely a good place to start. Or maybe this can serve as a chance to meet Reed Richards. While he isn't specifically a biologist, he is a multi-disciplinarian savant...
Just try not to put your foot in your mouth again, even as flexible as you are.
Well, that probably went much better than the original canon (I don't really remember the Spiderman animated series.) With any luck, they should be able to find a solution that doesn't require life-draining devices, unsafe biochemical formulae or other risky measures. Hopefully they still end up stopping that 'Mutant Cure' plan that played a part in their crossover...
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You seem to have forgotten that Power Rings dont protect against psychic powers.
And that this is a Season 1 version of Paul.
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Actually, in the episode, the Sentinels were just holograms that disappeared after the Danger Room got turned off.
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Thank you, corrected.
Except Henry, who originally just had big hands and feet and gradually developed animalistic features and fur.
The problem there is that that's normal for their body and you'd risk messing them up worse by changing it.
The issue here is that with the M'kraan Crystal gone D'ken had no reason to have anything to do with Earth. Lilandra is on Earth, but she's an exile with no access to Shi'ar technology except what she personally remembers how to make and... I guess whatever they salvaged from Erik the Red's operation?
Guess he's what happened to Alan in the comics...
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not too old
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Thank you, corrected.
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When you look at those two sentences you'd see that they don't sound too different, even if they are.
Too bad they didn't know that's what's happening to Peter.
Paul isn't a geneticist, so he doesn't understand how complex biology works.
In some of the earlier chapters he was reluctant to heal the likes of Kid Flash because he didn't know if he'd accidentally destroy his powers.
Heck, instead of just restoring Peter on the spot he asked to scan a relatively healthy piece of his DNA so that he knows what to do.
Though I do remember that in the comics Xavier basically downloaded Beasts knowledge of biology, medicine and genetics into Elixir, a mutant capable of biological manipulation.
You seem to forget that he's on a team with two psychics and that his ring is capable of scanning and copying many, many objects, like Magneto's helmet.
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Actually they do Psi shields are a thing the rings are programmed with they don't make you immune but they do make you resistant though it depends on the psionics being used as they're are different forms there's big difference between say Gorilla Grodd controlling how your neurons fire with the speed force versus Maxwell Lord using the collective unconsciousness to blanket erase the idea of him existing from memory constantly.
Kinda funny considering metahuman powers arent genetic they're sort of a having a partailly divine soul from a god fucking a mortal or to much exposure to the source bringing mortals closer to a full god which is the apex of evolution in dc hell I still remember a time darksied went on a exposition dump that metahuman is just a new age word for demigod.
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You misunderstood, being metahuman is both genetic and divine.
The metagene causes genetic changes when activated and DC storyline Genesis established that metahumans come from the Godwave, which is from the Source and also the origin of the native gods.
At least until Flashpoint, in which a Metal event revealed that "meta" is actually short for "unknown metal found in blood," so apparently metahumans are the result of people having Element X in their system and they subconsciously use the reality bending effects of the metal to give themselves powers.
The metagene was referenced after this, so either it's another case of DC editorial being asleep on the job, or perhaps its something like the metagene being a genetic condition that has someone retain Element X in their system instead of just flushing it out of their system or something.
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No? It's literally a thing in story that power rings can't protect you from Telepathy and the like.
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So I was bored, so I started re-reading the thingie a week ago, and I have several things to say, first off there's this quote
Secondly, I was reminded that there is an indian magic kingdom hidden from the world, and they might be open to diplomacy.
Third, did we ever find out why Paul couldn't say his name ?
Secondly, I was reminded that there is an indian magic kingdom hidden from the world, and they might be open to diplomacy.
Third, did we ever find out why Paul couldn't say his name ?
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Element X is hyper pure uncoded magical energy and magic which governs the subatomic energy of matter is only one of the seven forces of the universe that metahumans draw they're powers from so that doesn't make a lot sense really the lore for as long as I remember is that most metahumans are physiologicly and genetically identical to baseline humans
Like I said it depends on what type of psionics is used something like Grodd's telepathy would no sell most defenses as his powers are tied into the speed force which is the universe's physics engine.
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Yeah, it's ruler was apparently a teammate and friend of Teth Adom in the past.
Paul made contact with it so that he could invite him to Adom's wedding as a gift.
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Then they cut themselves from the world even more than before during the anti-life, and I don't think we've heard of them since
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Element X isn't magic, it's the building block of all universes and everything in them.
To forge Element X is to forge reality.
And I have not the slightest clue where you got the idea that metahumans aren't distinct from baseline humans.
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As X-men Paul pointed out a while ago, the meta gene is one gene difference, thats less than blond hair! Genetically they're not really distinct, is the idea
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Horseshit, that's the opposite of how it works. The metagene mutates the person's DNA when it's activates, that was established in the eighties. By definition in DC every metahuman is genetically distinct from a normal human.
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DC's Meta-Gene and Marvel's X-Gene are two different things from to different settings.
What exactly does the Meta-gene have to do with Celestial biotech?