With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

webxro · Aug 30, 2020

And now this makes me want a fanfic with a similar premise, with the JL getting punches for similar things. A villain that does everything 100% legally and goes after JL in an 100% legal way.

Viterbi · Aug 30, 2020

I feel like they're busy realizing that there's a reason that Peter Wynne's alt-self kicked their asses 1v7.

Dakkan Sall · Aug 30, 2020

gustyeagle said:
I guess this OL beat the 'This Ring' compulsion?

He didn't outright beat the compulsion, so much as he had no way to recharge the ring (and no Alan to purchase a spare lantern from) so he stored it for emergencies. The main times he's used it that are known are mining out some choice asteroids/moons for startup and emergency funds, and when the Thanagarian invasion happened. Without being a naturally over-avaricious person, and not actually wearing it, no mental effects other than acknowledging that said compulsion exists.

Darko · Aug 30, 2020

webxro said:
And now this makes me want a fanfic with a similar premise, with the JL getting punches for similar things. A villain that does everything 100% legally and goes after JL in an 100% legal way.

That may not work all that well as you may like to think.

A lot of the people the League fights tend to be either psychopaths, world conquerors, serial killers and just general lunatics.

It's not exactly easy to feel sympathy for them because the League beat them up with no warrant, when they engage in evil shit for shits and giggles.

Peter hasn't done anything wrong to them or the world, so he may have a higher chance of winning if he sues.

The rest would be lucky if the judge just doesn't laugh and throw the case in the garbage.

Granted people in comic universes decided to give Norman Osborn a great deal of power, even if he spent years being a psychotic criminal, so people feeling sympathy for maniacs and actually helping them become stronger in their power isn't exactly a new concept.

Hell DC comics did it when they had the Joker sue Batman and the thing was actually taken seriously.

Seriously is the thing that makes civilians in Marvel idiots somehow infecting the DC universe now?

Chojin Patriarch · Aug 30, 2020

Mr Zoat said:
Earth 12
10th February 2005
13:14 GMT

Oh my.

Man, you missed a perfect moment to link the George Takei clip... I'm sure someone will...

Oooooh my.

Lantern Stewart leads the way through the corridors of the Watchtower, past the staring gazes of the various.. superheroes I can… Mostly recognise. Red Tornado, yes, Elongated Man, yes, and… Bwana Beast? Others… Don't ring immediate bells, though with the more conservatively dressed ones I'm not completely sure that they're not part of the crew.

It's amazing how simply some superheroes dress, really. Really takes a certain kind of man to make a sweet three-piece suit work as vigilante wear. Don't even start on the ones basically wearing military surplus...

The whole thing's a bit out there, and-

"Hey, Mister Wynne!" / "Hey, Peter."

At least he has people he knows here. People who can help him yell at the League, perhaps.

I wave back. "Hi guys."

-Courtney and Patrick are the only people here I actually know.

Hmm... Because of his association with the Knight family, was it?

"So… A space station with artificial gravity. Human technology, or did you import it?"

"Wayne Technologies reverse engineered it from crashed Thanagarian ships after the occupation."

"And he hasn't brought the technology to market because...?" Then again, the future of Batman Beyond does have stuff like flying cars, so presumably he eventually did. Or Luthor made it there first.

Perfectly plausible. While I employ a large number of Thanagarians, plenty work in other places and my employees are mostly ex-soldiers rather than technology specialists. And there's nothing stopping a company with the right connections mastering Thanagarian technology with human scientists. I know perfectly well the sorts of things that human technologists can do when they set their minds to it.

Just have to keep them on task. I wonder how many incidents of malign hypercognitive disorder he's had to.. pacify by this point.

"I see." I look around and… That's Crimson Avenger. I've tried to get my head around this… Whole thing. I know my DC, and Crimson Avenger was chronologically one of the earliest superheroes. If that holds true here then he should be about eighty by now, if not older. And yet he's a contemporary of someone like Bwana Beast rather than the far older Wildcat. "So is Batman planning to give me the ring he stole from me back at any point, or do I have to sue you people in open court?"

Yeah, the DCAU timelines are all futzed up in terms of who came along when. After all, when you have the pick of all DC history to use in your superhero cartoon, why not go nuts? Then again, who's to say that Crimson Avenger isn't a legacy hero, merely inheriting the triggerless Colts of his predecessor...

John Stewart doesn't turn around.

"I don't know what you're talking about."

Forget it, Shepard-lite, you don't have the Charm or Intimidate skills necessary to blow this conversation off.

"Do you really think I don't know the difference between a glowing piece of plastic and an actual power ring? I was willing to chalk it up to a temporary attack of Bat-paranoia, but since it hasn't reappeared in my safe yet I thought I'd use the opportunity this represents to raise the issue directly."

"You'll have to talk to Batman."

I'm sure Bats has been making very sure he's never anywhere near Peter at any time, even as Bruce Wayne...

"Or I could talk to the Sector's senior Green Lantern, who he almost certainly asked about it. Lantern Stewart, that's theft. The Justice League does not have the authority to confiscate private property on its own recognisance."

This time he does stop, and glances at me. He looks slightly uncomfortable, but I suspect that's more due to being discovered than actual guilt.

He's probably justifying to himself as 'removing a possible trigger for conflict from his sector' or something...

"That depends where you got it from."

"Lantern Stewart, I employ a great many lawyers. I've checked in every jurisdiction in which I do business. And I can tell you now: it does not. I could have stolen it from Ganthet's laboratory and it wouldn't make the slightest difference to the legal position. Earth does not have extradition treaties with other planets. If you think I stole it from someone on Earth you can apply for a confiscation order and have me arrested. What you can not do is steal from me."

The joy of having to max out your Knowledge:Law skill because you can't work on any superpower-related stuff...

He looks mulish, which I suppose is a job requirement for a Green Lantern. Or maybe it's not? I'm not sure whether the local version of the Corps works on pre-War of Light principles or post-War of Light principles.

"Do you want me to serve him papers in his public identity? Because I'm not playing around here; you will be returning it to me, or that's what will happen."

And isn't that a scary threat to the League. The obvious implication that he knows who they really are (assuming he didn't drop that on Batman back when he 'confiscated' the Ring...)

"We don't take kindly to threats."

"And I don't take kindly to theft."

No, Stewart, you are not going to be able to turn this into the kind of argument you can win...

We spend a few moments staring each other down, but dealing with recovering supervillains on a daily basis has caused me to grow a considerably stiffer spine than I had when I first arrived on this Earth. While I don't think I could win a staring match against someone with an environmental shield under neutral circumstances, he knows that he's in the wrong and that if it came to it I'd probably win.

He looks away.

Ha! Well done, Peter. Staring down a Green Lantern and making him break first. Well done indeed.

"We don't have it anymore. It's on Oa."

"Do you routinely trade in stolen property, or am I uniquely privileged?"

"We wanted to make sure you weren't dealing with Qward. Since they're the only other people who can make power rings, it seemed like a reasonable guess."

Oh, I didn't know Stewart was a mushroom...Kept in the dark and fed shit

I frown.

"All the maltusian factions have the ability to make power rings. You've met Star Sapphire. It's not like the Guardians are the only ones who can do it."

His eyes glow for a moment.

Oh, he thinks he's got an out, does he?

"So you're saying you got it from someone the same species as the Guardians."

"No, I'm saying that if you can't produce the ring, plan legal action is a-go."

I mean, technically he did, even if he's not aware of it. I'm sure Hinon Hee Hannanan is around here too. Probably still snoozing on Maltus...

"I'll-. Ask them."

"They've got until my legal department complete the forms." I look around as Booster Gold and Blue Beetle try to pretend that they're not listening in on our discussion. "Though I'm willing to extend considerable leeway if I get a orange personal lantern out of it."

Ah, nice to see the Blue and Gold bros for once... I'm sure this story is going to spread right fast.

"That isn't gonna happen."

"I can't sue the Guardians, but I can sue their agents. I haven't expended my operations off-world yet-."

"Just-. Come and meet the rest of the founders. We can talk about this together."

I can tell he's thinking 'Oh, I'm gonna need backup for this shit...'

I nod and shrug, and he continues to lead the way through the Watchtower, towards some sort of meeting room.

"Yes, in a meeting where I'm outnumbered seven to one. That sounds completely reasonable."

Ah, you could take them in an argument.They're generally too nice a group of guys to make it physical... Unless you push them into going Justice Lords.

"If you're this angry about it, why-" The door opens and he leads the way through. "-did you agree to come here?"

I raise my right hand to greet the rest of the founders.

I would be very tempted to raise it with middle and index fingers extended, back outwards. Set the tone properly early.

"Because I thought it was just Batman being sticky-fingered." I glare at him. "And yes I did realise that you stole the ring from my safe, Mister Wayne. You'll be hearing from my lawyers. And imagine how disappointed I am to learn that you are all in on it. Is your new motto 'Truth, Burglary, and the American Way', Mister Kent?"

He exhales. "Batman.. told us about that after he did it."

Still doesn't excuse it, Supes. And drop any lines about 'potential risk' either.

"And did you tell him to give it back? Or did you rubber-stamp him sending it to Oa, the last place I'd want it sent? Handling stolen goods. Is a crime."

"So… Okay." Flash raises his hands defensively. "I think we got off on the wrong foot. Ah. Yeah, the ring thing… Probably didn't make the best impression, but we just got our asses kicked by a parallel universe version-"

A reminder: 'Doppelgängered (part 19)'. Let's not harp on how easily he did it, please...

Batman, Hawkgirl and Wonder Woman are glaring at him.

"-of you, and we were worried you might be planning something."

Oh, he has many plans. None of them involved attacking the Justice League until you took his stuff...

"I'm planning a court action, yes."

Okay, I think I've made my point there. The ring will either come back or it won't.

You hardly need it these days. Far too many skill points invested in the Tech Mogul class instead of the Ring Shaman. And a Cosmic Rod is hardly anything to sneeze at.

"I've never met a parallel universe version of myself, so I can't vouch for them. But there are counters to any approach; some better known than others. If you fought a version of me and lost then he probably had more resources to draw on than I do; I'm pretty sure than even if I had my ring back I couldn't beat you. So I can't help you there."

Again, I doubt Peter bothered to put much effort into combat applications of his ring once he realized he wasn't going to be able to recharge...

I shrug.

"What else did you want to talk about?"

Please, do tell us. I doubt this is just a visit for high tea.

Batman leans forward slightly.

"I'm interested in getting your take on League operations. You've clearly given the matter some thought."

At this point, you're going to be lucky if his first answer isn't 'Shove those pointy ears where the sun don't shine.'

"My first thought is that breaking the law in front of someone who knows your secret identity is a good way to bring the whole thing crashing down. Governments do not like losing the monopoly on the legitimate use of force, but they tolerate you because you're popular and generally do a good job. Lose one of those and you'll see anti-vigilante laws getting enforced again." I shake my head. "What sort of guns does this station have?"

Okay, not as pithy as what I said, but he seems to be taking this seriously. Apparently the League can recognise common sense and genre-savviness are valuable traits to them, given how many Pauls end up advising heroes.

Manhunter's face betrays nothing. "That is highly secure information."

"Because I've looked at the publicity images, and I couldn't see any gun ports. With lasers and railguns you could cover something like… Sixteen percent of the Earth's surface with flak batteries to intercept missiles and attack craft. You'd need more platforms to complete the network, but I doubt that Earth's governments would complain about guns that couldn't target the surface. If you want any other advice, I'll need access to your databases."

To be honest, for best effect, they'd want their main gun pointing outwards, not inwards. I bet that amazes extrasolar visitors anytime they pass Earth. "They point their orbital weapons at their only biosphere? These people are mad."

"And my God damned ring back."

Damn it, now I'm remembering the stinger of Pacific Rim: Ron Perlman cutting his way out of a dead baby giant monster's stomach, yelling "Where the hell is my shoe!"

Boy, the League have really stepped in it. You do not mess with an Orange Lantern's stuff (even if he didn't wear the ring much.) I can only hope we get to see him yelling at the Guardians next... And if he does, it will be glorious.

Darko · Aug 30, 2020

Chojin Patriarch said:
Man, you missed a perfect moment to link the George Takei clip... I'm sure someone will...

Here you go.

SotF · Aug 30, 2020

Darko said:
That may not work all that well as you may like to think.

A lot of the people the League fights tend to be either psychopaths, world conquerors, serial killers and just general lunatics.

It's not exactly easy to feel sympathy for them because the League beat them up with no warrant, when they engage in evil shit for shits and giggles.

Peter hasn't done anything wrong to them or the world, so he may have a higher chance of winning if he sues.

The rest would be lucky if the judge just doesn't laugh and throw the case in the garbage.

Granted people in comic universes decided to give Norman Osborn a great deal of power, even if he spent years being a psychotic criminal, so people feeling sympathy for maniacs and actually helping them become stronger in their power isn't exactly a new concept.

Hell DC comics did it when they had the Joker sue Batman and the thing was actually taken seriously.

Seriously is the the thing that makes civilians in Marvel idiots somehow infecting the DC universe now?

Since it's a DCAU world, if I remember right, it seems like it's also around the time when Cadmus was starting, so Waller and friends might actually help on the government side of things

Stsword · Aug 30, 2020

Cuchulin said:
Take most of Bruce Wayne's money and property, make their identities VERY public, shut down the Daily Planet and go after Clark's coworkers, go after Clark's parents and their farm... There are lots of less than direct ways to ruin some one.

And then congrats, Peter turns the Justice League into the Justice Lords, who rule the world with an iron fist.

Great plan.

webxro · Aug 30, 2020

Darko said:
That may not work all that well as you may like to think.

A lot of the people the League fights tend to be either psychopaths, world conquerors, serial killers and just general lunatics.

It's not exactly easy to feel sympathy for them because the League beat them up with no warrant, when they engage in evil shit for shits and giggles.

Peter hasn't done anything wrong to them or the world, so he may have a higher chance of winning if he sues.

The rest would be lucky if the judge just doesn't laugh and throw the case in the garbage.

Granted people in comic universes decided to give Norman Osborn a great deal of power, even if he spent years being a psychotic criminal, so people feeling sympathy for maniacs and actually helping them become stronger in their power isn't exactly a new concept.

Hell DC comics did it when they had the Joker sue Batman and the thing was actually taken seriously.

Seriously is the the thing that makes civilians in Marvel idiots somehow infecting the DC universe now?

I didn't say every villain, I mean one villain who's gimmick is that he does things legally but annoys the fluck out of heroes. Maybe even makes them attack him and then he sues them. Like that time when Lex Luthor made Superman believe that he was doing something nefarious to make him attack an innocent construction.

Mr Zoat · Aug 30, 2020

gustyeagle said:
I guess this OL beat the 'This Ring' compulsion?

I would change it, but since he's not wearing it there's nothing to keep him referring to it in that way.

moralrelativity said:
expended -> extended (I think, could go either way)

Thank you, corrected.

Darko said:
maybe add 'of the same species'

I'd have to study John Stewart's diction to be certain, but I think it's alright.

webxro said:
I didn't say every villain, I mean one villain who's gimmick is that he does things legally but annoys the fluck out of heroes. Maybe even makes them attack him and then he sues them. Like that time when Lex Luthor made Superman believe that he was doing something nefarious to make him attack an innocent construction.

If I remember correctly, he did that using indestructible androids while teamed up with the Joker, and his final plan was to use them to rob a bank rather than anything else at all.

Ngamer11 · Aug 30, 2020

SotF said:
Since it's a DCAU world, if I remember right, it seems like it's also around the time when Cadmus was starting, so Waller and friends might actually help on the government side of things

I wouldn't be surprised if they offered an invitation or tried to get him to unknowingly work with them. He would then counter by starting a benevolent version of Cadmus. That means it is backed by the (British) government, which I hope isn't the corrupt demon worshipping mess in this universe, and is seen as a force of good that can rival the Justice League; and can also get people who are disillusioned with the League, like what happened with Captain Marvel in the DCAU, to join them.

Darko · Aug 30, 2020

Chojin Patriarch said:
Hmm... Because of his association with the Knight family, was it?

Probably.

Chojin Patriarch said:
"And he hasn't brought the technology to market because...?" Then again, the future of Batman Beyond does have stuff like flying cars, so presumably he eventually did. Or Luthor made it there first.

Luthor may have died when he gave old Uxas the AL Equation.

Don't know if he came back in any tie in comics however.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Just have to keep them on task. I wonder how many incidents of malign hypercognitive disorder he's had to.. pacify by this point.

Between fifty and eighty most likely.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Yeah, the DCAU timelines are all futzed up in terms of who came along when. After all, when you have the pick of all DC history to use in your superhero cartoon, why not go nuts? Then again, who's to say that Crimson Avenger isn't a legacy hero, merely inheriting the triggerless Colts of his predecessor...

Or just a fan who decided to emulate his hero.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Forget it, Shepard-lite, you don't have the Charm or Intimidate skills necessary to blow this conversation off.

Paul and not!Grayven are the only Shepards here.

Chojin Patriarch said:
I'm sure Bats has been making very sure he's never anywhere near Peter at any time, even as Bruce Wayne...

Just imagine them at a party and Peter making subtle hints about Bruce being Batman and insulting him.

Chojin Patriarch said:
He's probably justifying to himself as 'removing a possible trigger for conflict from his sector' or something...

To be fair it technically is that.

If Larfleeze found out about it he would most likely try to get it for himself.

And that's without mentioning all the other factions that would like ti if they found out it existed.

Chojin Patriarch said:
And isn't that a scary threat to the League. The obvious implication that he knows who they really are (assuming he didn't drop that on Batman back when he 'confiscated' the Ring...)

He did tell him he knows who he is.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Ha! Well done, Peter. Staring down a Green Lantern and making him break first. Well done indeed.

Stewart may not have been trying to intimidate him all that much.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Oh, I didn't know Stewart was a mushroom...Kept in the dark and fed shit

I think a lot of the Green Lanterns don't know about the other Maltusians.

He could just think the Star Sapphire was Qwardian or some other aliens creation.

Lots of people may have tried to copy Lantern tech.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Ah, you could take them in an argument.They're generally too nice a group of guys to make it physical... Unless you push them into going Justice Lords.

Batman, Hawkgirl and possibly Diana may have tried to do something physical if they thought he was threatening them.

Chojin Patriarch said:
To be honest, for best effect, they'd want their main gun pointing outwards, not inwards. I bet that amazes extrasolar visitors anytime they pass Earth. "They point their orbital weapons at their only biosphere? These people are mad."

They have Batman on their roster and in a leadership role, so yes they kinda are in some aspects mad.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Damn it, now I'm remembering the stinger of Pacific Rim: Ron Perlman cutting his way out of a dead baby giant monster's stomach, yelling "Where the hell is my shoe!"

I need to see this.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Boy, the League have really stepped in it. You do not mess with an Orange Lantern's stuff (even if he didn't wear the ring much.) I can only hope we get to see him yelling at the Guardians next... And if he does, it will be glorious.

That's assuming the Guardians decide to humor him and let him come to them.

Or that they would care what he has to say in the first place.

They've probably been insulted by a whole lot of people who were angry the Guardians for making themselves the universal police force, even if it was necessary.

So now they either have arguments to make their position seem like the correct one, or they just don't care what others think all that much.

Darko · Aug 30, 2020

Mr Zoat said:
I would change it, but since he's not wearing it there's nothing to keep him referring to it in that way.

Raul also had his original ring taken from him and he still couldn't call his original ring 'my ring'

Mr Zoat said:
"No, this-. My ring, the ring I'm wearing now, was made by Lord Atrocitus. He took the ring I started with because he didn't trust it."

"Can you call it 'my ring'?"

"The ring-. The ring-." He blinks. "No, I can't."

Lord Ernest · Aug 30, 2020

I mean, it would be bad if the League loses face and the people's trust at this point, when they are probably expanding and developing their operations (I think? I can't recall the specific timeline of events); Waller and Cadmus would be all over this if it went to court, using it as one of their salvos and public motivators against the League. But still, they totally have this dressing down coming. Has it really been years since the Ring was stolen?

If it has not been that long since the ring was stolen then maybe it's a situation that can be overcome. But Peter would have to make clear that if they want his help, they will have to treat him like an equal, even though he's not precisely a Superhero. He's basically a neutral Lex Luthor, I would say; big company, lot of resources, a bunch of ex-supervillains employed from whom he can take input, contacts within the Superhero community as well. And with his help the League could go from 100% efficiency to 200%, easily. However, if they're not going to respect him and his input, like they didn't have the dignity to get him his property back before inviting him and asking for help, then why bother with them.

If it has long since the theft, I don't know how likely it is that Peter Wynne is going to have it back. Freaking Guardians will not want to part with it or send it back. In which case, why the heck would Peter want to help the League? Yes, they're the good guys, but if they waited all this time to call for his opinion on League operations and, as John Stewart demonstrated, they hadn't even thought about trying to get the stolen property back or admitting that it was stolen, why would Peter even trust them? Why would he want to help them? What does he get out of it when he doesn't even believe in Superheroic ideals?

I honestly don't think that he would sue them. They're still the first and main line of defense the Earth has against Supervillains and Extraterrestrial threats. Eroding the trust the people have on them does more harm than good, besides appeasing a desire for revenge and taking them down a peg. But if it were me I wouldn't want to help them either. Even thought I'm a fan of Batman I would say "fuck 'em" and do my own thing, it has worked pretty well for several years already, after all.

webxro · Aug 30, 2020

Mr Zoat said:
If I remember correctly, he did that using indestructible androids while teamed up with the Joker, and his final plan was to use them to rob a bank rather than anything else at all.

No, I mean the JLU time, when he got Captain Marvel to fight Superman for it. It might've been a while since I watched it, but it wasn't like that, or my memory sucks

Ngamer11 · Aug 30, 2020

Lord Ernest said:
I mean, it would be bad if the League loses face and the people's trust at this point, when they are probably expanding and developing their operations (I think? I can't recall the specific timeline of events); Waller and Cadmus would be all over this if it went to court, using it as one of their salvos and public motivators against the League. But still, they totally have this dressing down coming. Has it really been years since the Ring was stolen?

If it has not been that long since the ring was stolen then maybe it's a situation that can be overcome. But Peter would have to make clear that if they want his help, they will have to treat him like an equal, even though he's not precisely a Superhero. He's basically a neutral Lex Luthor, I would say; big company, lot of resources, a bunch of ex-supervillains employed from whom he can take input, contacts within the Superhero community as well. And with his help the League could go from 100% efficiency to 200%, easily. However, if they're not going to respect him and his input, like they didn't have the dignity to get him his property back before inviting him and asking for help, then why bother with them.

If it has long since the theft, I don't know how likely it is that Peter Wynne is going to have it back. Freaking Guardians will not want to part with it or send it back. In which case, why the heck would Peter want to help the League? Yes, they're the good guys, but if they waited all this time to call for his opinion on League operations and, as John Stewart demonstrated, they hadn't even thought about trying to get the stolen property back or admitting that it was stolen, why would Peter even trust them? Why would he want to help them? What does he get out of it when he doesn't even believe in Superheroic ideals?

I honestly don't think that he would sue them. They're still the first and main line of defense the Earth has against Supervillains and Extraterrestrial threats. Eroding the trust the people have on them does more harm than good, besides appeasing a desire for revenge and taking them down a peg. But if it were me I wouldn't want to help them either. Even thought I'm a fan of Batman I would say "fuck 'em" and do my own thing, it has worked pretty well for several years already, after all.

This makes me think that when Lex is gone, it will be Schizo Applications, not Wayne Industries, that becomes the biggest company in the world. Who wouldn't want to contribute to the company that not only helps superheroes (not part of the League but who do good with some government support, like post-Cadmus Justice League) but also makes the world a better place by improving power generation and reducing pollution?

Handlewithcare · Aug 30, 2020

Ah, the League being told off.

What a hit of nostalgia.

Korfayron · Aug 30, 2020

Peter Wynne is great

Darko · Aug 30, 2020

Lord Ernest said:
Has it really been years since the Ring was stolen?

Not it's only been a few days in universe.

Lord Ernest said:
If it has not been that long since the ring was stolen then maybe it's a situation that can be overcome. But Peter would have to make clear that if they want his help, they will have to treat him like an equal, even though he's not precisely a Superhero. He's basically a neutral Lex Luthor, I would say; big company, lot of resources, a bunch of ex-supervillains employed from whom he can take input, contacts within the Superhero community as well. And with his help the League could go from 100% efficiency to 200%, easily. However, if they're not going to respect him and his input, like they didn't have the dignity to get him his property back before inviting him and asking for help, then why bother with them.

If it has long since the theft, I don't know how likely it is that Peter Wynne is going to have it back. Freaking Guardians will not want to part with it or send it back. In which case, why the heck would Peter want to help the League? Yes, they're the good guys, but if they waited all this time to call for his opinion on League operations and, as John Stewart demonstrated, they hadn't even thought about trying to get the stolen property back or admitting that it was stolen, why would Peter even trust them? Why would he want to help them? What does he get out of it when he doesn't even believe in Superheroic ideals?

The Guardians most likely will not part with the ring, even if it was just recently given to them.

They may lose their agents ability to operate on Earth, but losing a single planet may be seen as something they can accept instead of letting another Larfeleeze potentially come about.

He may like to help the League so they can become more effective in protecting the planet and not do things that are illegal and then justify it to themsleves.

Getting rid of the League is a bad idea since they're practically the only thing that can protect the planet from alien invasions at this point.

Mr Zoat · Aug 30, 2020

Darko said:
Raul also had his original ring taken from him and he still couldn't call his original ring 'my ring'

Guess I'm changing it, then.

Lord Ernest said:
If it has not been that long since the ring was stolen then maybe it's a situation that can be overcome.

Unless I've made a mistake it's been about five days.

Darko said:
They may lose their agents ability to operate on Earth, but losing a single planet may be seen as something they can accept instead of letting another Larfeleeze potentially come about.

Except this continuity runs on pre-War of Light rules. There is no Larfleeze, Parallax is what happens when a crazy Lantern uses multiple rings in parallel and has nothing to do with a giant yellow stick insect, things like that.

Embers999 · Aug 30, 2020

Mr Zoat said:
I would change it, but since he's not wearing it there's nothing to keep him referring to it in that way.

Thank you, corrected.

I'd have to study John Stewart's diction to be certain, but I think it's alright.

If I remember correctly, he did that using indestructible androids while teamed up with the Joker, and his final plan was to use them to rob a bank rather than anything else at all.

No, in the DCAU which is Earth 12, Luthor wanted to screw over the Justice League PR, so he ordered construction of a big development that would provide housing and jobs. He knew Superman would be suspicious since it was Luthor, so he had a shielded reactor built that would power the area, but he made sure it was lead shielded so Superman could not see what it was, it may have used kryptonite as a power source, don't fully remember. He also tricked Captain Marvel into endorsing the project. Superman gets pissy at Captain Marvel, and when Superman finds the shielded kryptonite reactor he feels vindicated to trash the place, and Captain Marvel tries to stop him. Superman eventually tricks Captain Marvel into powering down as part of a magic lightning attack on Superman, and they see the fight has destroyed the development. Luthor complains that he was just trying to give back to the community to show he had turned over a new leaf, and claims responsibility for Superman being a jack ass and wrecking the place. Superman's PR is trashed.

Darko · Aug 30, 2020

Mr Zoat said:
Unless I've made a mistake it's been about five days.

No mistake.

webxro said:
No, I mean the JLU time, when he got Captain Marvel to fight Superman for it. It might've been a while since I watched it, but it wasn't like that, or my memory sucks

To be fair to Superman, Luthor had a long history of criminal activity under his belt and the thing he was planning on unveiling was essentially a giant machine with a lot of Kryptonite in it if I remember correctly.

A lot of people would consider what Luthor is trying to do to be just another one of his crazy evil schemes.

Darko · Aug 30, 2020

Mr Zoat said:
I'm pretty sure than even if I had my ring back I couldn't beat you. So I can't help you there."

'if I had the ring back'

Lord Ernest · Aug 30, 2020

Mr Zoat said:
Unless I've made a mistake it's been about five days.

My bad. Read somebody mentioning years in a previous post and since I didn't remember the time stamps on Peter Wynne's timeline it sounded plausible. Finally remembered when the theft was mentioned and noticed the dates, from February 6 to February 10 in this latest one, so yeah, 4 to 5 days.

Still a dick move what Batman did, but I think this is a situation that can be overcome so that Peter and the League can have a successful partnership. I still don't think the Guardians will want to part from the ring, little OCD smurf assholes are like that. But maybe John Stewart can convince them? It's practically empty, after all.

Embers999 said:
Snip

I think I vaguely recall that episode, but that was a great plan. Successful supervillains should be smart like that. Or be immortals. Or be better than Batman at escaping from things and places. Or like this fic I read where it turns out that the Joker is like a curse on Gotham and if you kill him, a worse one will show up, with some individual in Gotham having a "worst day of their lives" and taking up the image to spread chaos and misery. Haven't read or really looked up The Three Jokers, but I'm hoping the comic is something like that.

Darko · Aug 30, 2020

Lord Ernest said:
My bad. Read somebody mentioning years in a previous post and since I didn't remember the time stamps on Peter Wynne's timeline it sounded plausible. Finally remembered when the theft was mentioned and noticed the dates, from February 6 to February 10 in this latest one, so yeah, 4 to 5 days.

Still a dick move what Batman did, but I think this is a situation that can be overcome so that Peter and the League can have a successful partnership. I still don't think the Guardians will want to part from the ring, little OCD smurf assholes are like that. But maybe John Stewart can convince them? It's practically empty, after all.

The ring may not have a charge, but it can still be recharged, even if it isn't through a Lantern.

Stewart had his ring recharged with Statics electricity once, so Earth has other ways to recharge a ting, and the Guardians may not want to risk another Larfleeze.

transhumansage · Aug 30, 2020

Mr Zoat said:
Earth 12
10th February 2005
13:14 GMT

"And the God damned ring back."

is this the jla animated cartoon?

Ngamer11 · Aug 30, 2020

transhumansage said:
is this the jla animated cartoon?

Yes it is. Specifically, Justice League Unlimited era.

Chojin Patriarch · Aug 30, 2020

Darko said:
Luthor may have died when he gave old Uxas the AL Equation.

Don't know if he came back in any tie in comics however.

I'll admit, I haven't seen any of the JL episodes. But it's a DC universe, he'd be back sooner or later.

Paul and not!Grayven are the only Shepards here.

Hence 'Shepard-lite'. Remember Conrad Verner in Mass Effect 2, running around in N7 armor just like Shepard's and trying to do the RPG hero thing? And failing horribly?

Just imagine them at a party and Peter making subtle hints about Bruce being Batman and insulting him.

Just imagine the tabloid rumours that would start.

I think a lot of the Green Lanterns don't know about the other Maltusians.

He could just think the Star Sapphire was Qwardian or some other aliens creation.

Lots of people may have tried to copy Lantern tech.

In which case, you'd expect him to check his intel better. Wasn't this John Stewart a Marine?

I need to see this.

Misquoted the line a bit, but yes, it is amusing.

That's assuming the Guardians decide to humor him and let him come to them.

Or that they would care what he has to say in the first place.

They've probably been insulted by a whole lot of people who were angry the Guardians for making themselves the universal police force, even if it was necessary.

So now they either have arguments to make their position seem like the correct one, or they just don't care what others think all that much.

Plus the whole mainlining Green Light for millennia thing. I could see Ganthet meeting him out of curiosity, but the rest? Yes, they'd probably go "Eh, another indignant mortal. Meh." Though not in those exact words...

transhumansage · Aug 30, 2020

Ngamer11 said:
Yes it is. Specifically, Justice League Unlimited era.

yeah the guys there are kinda dickish. like tht time they let those lab kids go back into cadmus hands only for them to clone them and turn them into an army.

Darko · Aug 30, 2020

transhumansage said:
yeah the guys there are kinda dickish. like tht time they let those lab kids go back into cadmus hands only for them to clone them and turn them into an army.

Those kids chose to go back to the labs of their own free will.

But yeah I really wish the League did more for them.

Sadly they honestly may not have had the time necessary to save their lives.

They may have also been keeping an eye on Cadmus after that incident, but Cadmus was better at hiding their trails.

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