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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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RichardWhereat said:
Like the greenies, really. The main difference is that his bobblehead is sexy.
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Who am I to judge?
 
Travisplo said:
That for and against, or the other way round?
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The first, but I just checked, and actual betting odds are traditionally "return/bet", AFAICT. That would make a 70% estimate that Karmang will take the oath give odds of 3/7, which is a bit confusing, since the fraction is not actually the probability of anything, but the return if you win (assuming no transactional costs)
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KillingYouNicely said:
Are we going to get an idea of what Kaldur wanted, that he was ashamed of OL seeing?
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I can only guess, but I'm thinking maybe something about his one-sided affection towards Tula? I think it was mentioned previously that it was eating him up inside pretty bad seeing her with Garth.
 
PDV said:
In favor? I'll take the other side of that, I'm about 80:20 that Karfang doesn't get recruited.
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I'm with you on that, Karfang doesn't seem the sort willing to work for others in any manner so unless Paul starts rewiring his desires or turns him into a construct which he probably has protection against anyway.
Sorrow said:
It is a little irritating how Paul can't seem to do anything, lately...
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I've personally liked the fights where Paul actually does affect his opponents but they're tough enough/smart enough to make him work for it. Paul just seems to go down his lost of options lately though, find out they all don't work and then has to figure out who can actually deal with the problem at hand for him.
 
Zeroguard said:
Paul just seems to go down his lost of options lately though, find out they all don't work and then has to figure out who can actually deal with the problem at hand for him.
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Yeah, after his Baby VS Mike Tyson fight with The Angel of War, OL has basically been reduced to that C-list character that is talked up to be powerful, but only shows up to get smashed by the new threat so that readers can see how serious the threat is.
 
Maxx Crowley said:
Yeah, after his Baby VS Mike Tyson fight with The Angel of War, OL has basically been reduced to that C-list character that is talked up to be powerful, but only shows up to get smashed by the new threat so that readers can see how serious the threat is.
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As opposed to previous where nothing could really touch him. Though I admit to being biased. I don't really like Paul much. Frankly Zatanna can do better. :p
 
Maxx Crowley said:
Yeah, after his Baby VS Mike Tyson fight with The Angel of War, OL has basically been reduced to that C-list character that is talked up to be powerful, but only shows up to get smashed by the new threat so that readers can see how serious the threat is.
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What exactly do you expect Paul to do here?

He utterly refuses to look up a lot of the Supertech in the setting and his biggest gun was the Foot Long Blade of the Fallen, which was just destroyed.
 
Enochi said:
As opposed to previous where nothing could really touch him.
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When was that? OL pretty much peaked combat-wise during the attack on Adom's country with Apokolips tech. Plus, in his early days, he didn't face anything REMOTELY on the same level as a power ring user.

Beyond that he just kinda flails around till someone else comes and helps out. Unless of course he is facing a fellow hero or lantern trainee. Then he hands them their ass.

Vaermina said:
the Supertech in the setting
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Fuck the supertech in the setting. He has a goddamn power ring!

The entire POINT of a power ring is that you don't NEED to carry ten million pieces of tech.
 
Maxx Crowley said:
When was that? OL pretty much peaked combat-wise during the attack on Adom's country with Apokolips tech. Plus, in his early days, he didn't face anything REMOTELY on the same level as a power ring user.

Beyond that he just kinda flails around till someone else comes and helps out. Unless of course he is facing a fellow hero or lantern trainee. Then he hands them their ass.
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Case in point.
 
Good to see I'm not the only one who finds it strange that OL has been turning into a pretty crappy fighter lately. He didn't even try half of his regular stuff this time around.

Maxx Crowley said:
Fuck the supertech in the setting. He has a goddamn power ring!
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By this point I'm partial to calling Earth's magic as the setting's true supertech. It can do anything, bypass any limitations and ignore anything it wishes . Even stuff specifically designed to stop magic, like the mageslayers, become obsolete just because.
 
icsm said:
By this point I'm partial to calling Earth's magic as the setting's true supertech. It can do anything, bypass any limitations and ignore anything it wishes . Even stuff specifically designed to stop magic, like the mageslayers, become obsolete just because.
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Oh I agree. I've said more then once that Magic is clearly the most powerful force in the universe. With the religious version apparently being just a notch above.

But, various shizo tech has shit on his power ring more then once AND about the only things he has in his toolkit that does work is either his earth tech bullets, or constructs based upon shizo tech like the Cold gun.

icsm said:
Good to see I'm not the only one who finds it strange that OL has been turning into a pretty crappy fighter lately. He didn't even try half of his regular stuff this time around.
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Well he doesn't like to fight...or break things.

You'd think being flat out murdered would be something of a wake up call. But he scarcely seems to care that it happened.
 
Maxx Crowley said:
Well he doesn't like to fight...or break things.

You'd think being flat out murdered would be something of a wake up call. But he scarcely seems to care that it happened.
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Maybe the series is suffering from Threat Descalation. We can't keep having bigger and biggers stakes, or the series become DBZ, so OL gets to fight something more reasonable. Problem is, we feel it should be a breeze for him.

The guy is supposed to be pretty much the biggest specialist in fighting power ring users by a fair margin, and is the greatest non-malthusian orange light specialist. He has toppled galactic empires, fought qwardian squads and killed the friggin First of the Fallen. Why is he scared about a overgrown iguana?
 
icsm said:
Even stuff specifically designed to stop magic, like the mageslayers, become obsolete just because.
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Just because it has a power ring, which is something that can trivially stop mageslayers before they hit?

Meh. Perhaps we need to see more of OL dealing with lesser threats while pushing his uplift agenda. Because I suspect there's been too much focus on big fights that OL can't stomp recently.
 
Maxx Crowley said:
Fuck the supertech in the setting. He has a goddamn power ring!

The entire POINT of a power ring is that you don't NEED to carry ten million pieces of tech.
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Power Rings are nowhere near as powerful as you seem to think they are.

And on a related note, AMAZO beats Power Ring.
 
People chill.

This dragon has a funky defense type that grants immunity to certain types of damage, this is hardly unheard off and this one isn't even a case of Zoat nerfing Paul as the Dragon has this power in canon.


The complaint doesn't have merit in this particular situation, so save it for the next time.
 
Chaoswind said:
People chill.

This dragon has a funky defense type that grants immunity to certain types of damage, this is hardly unheard off and this one isn't even a case of Zoat nerfing Paul as the Dragon has this power in canon.


The complaint doesn't have merit in this particular situation, so save it for the next time.
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The problem is less with the specific enemies and more that that's all we get nowadays. Enemies with very specific power sets that force the story into that cycle of Paul being unable to do anything until he calls in backup. OL used to be all about growing his skills and equipment so he could handle bigger problems, but at some point it seems he just decided to stop doing that while everything else in the universe went to the goddamn gym.
 
Gforce1000 said:
The problem is less with the specific enemies and more that that's all we get nowadays. Enemies with very specific power sets that force the story into that cycle of Paul being unable to do anything until he calls in backup. OL used to be all about growing his skills and equipment so he could handle bigger problems, but at some point it seems he just decided to stop doing that while everything else in the universe went to the goddamn gym.
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You know that one Skyrim comic about the training Draugr? It's pretty much that. OL has been focusing on building the OLC, eliminating specific threats, recruiting planets against The Reach, and generally building his soft power. Everyone else has been focusing on personal development.
 
Chaoswind said:
This dragon has a funky defense type that grants immunity to certain types of damage, this is hardly unheard off and this one isn't even a case of Zoat nerfing Paul as the Dragon has this power in canon.
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No, Karfang had immortality as long as her heart was intact, and enough regeneration to rebuild her body from scratch, presuming that she ate enough treasure to rebuild herself.

The comic showed Karfang being defeated by a bunch of medieval knights peppering her with crossbow bolts and then a knight charging her on horseback with a lance. Superboy would have just been faintly annoyed after that.

Either Zoat gave her additional powers (which as the author is certainly his prerogative, perhaps she took the opportunity to improve herself, just as Paul's body was improved), or she's full of treasure she's regenerating so fast that Paul can't tell he hurt her to begin with.
 
Stsword said:
No, Karfang had immortality as long as her heart was intact, and enough regeneration to rebuild her body from scratch, presuming that she ate enough treasure to rebuild herself.

The comic showed Karfang being defeated by a bunch of medieval knights peppering her with crossbow bolts and then a knight charging her on horseback with a lance. Superboy would have just been faintly annoyed after that.

Either Zoat gave her additional powers (which as the author is certainly his prerogative, perhaps she took the opportunity to improve herself, just as Paul's body was improved), or she's full of treasure she's regenerating so fast that Paul can't tell he hurt her to begin with.
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or has so much avarice that the ring is keeping her protected?
 
Hoard (part 19)
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    "-hot."

    I raise a construct barrier as chunks of rock rain down around-

    "Starfire, Superboy, engage the dragon." Kaldur makes momentary eye contact with Kon. "Make certain that it does not leave the area,"

    -us. Kon leaps into the air. He's wearing his Nth metal armour and while that's got a ridiculous melting point it isn't sealed or insulated. I designed it to resist physical impacts, not gas attacks. Of course Leonid doesn't even have th-.

    A fat blast of red energy illuminates the night sky and slams into Karfang as she pulls her way out of the hole she just blasted! She gets battered back for a moment, then takes a firmer grip on the rock and drags herself free. Up in the sky I can just about make out Leonid pointing his fists in her direction, mind completely focused on his target. He cuts out a second later and Kon slams into Karfang's head at full speed! She's staggered, but as he flies on past she's able to point her head at him and exhale a fat column of fire at his retreating feet. It briefly envelops him, only to be battered back as Leonid fires another crimson blast into her mouth.

    "Zatanna, will you be able to remove any enchantment which has been placed on Osiris or Canis?"

    "I don't know. The Power of Atum should make Osiris resistant to magic. And Canis should ignore anything not related to artwork."

    "There's probably all sorts of artwork down there. Give a race of kleptomaniacs a few hundred years they're bound to pick up some good pieces."

    "Are you able to feel their location?"

    I close my eyes for a moment, then shake my head. "No, sorry."

    Karfang flaps, trying to get into the air. The Bio-Ship flies upwards and opens fire on the left wing while Leonid shoots the right. The wings shudder, then she interposes glowing orange shields between herself and her attackers. Kon lunges in and smashes the shield on the left into fragments, then pulls back before she can burn him again so that the shooters can maintain their bombardment. Karfang jerks her left wing back into her side with a snarl.

    "Artemis, Robin, take the Sphere. Kid Flash, go with them into the gnome warren and find Osiris and Canis. Try to avoid contact with the enemy. If you can persuade them to return, do so."

    They nod, the Sphere flying closer to allow Artemis to jump into the rear seat while Richard takes the front. Artemis directs the Sphere into the air, heading for the entry point which Karfang just created while Wallace dashes into the warren entrance.

    Karfang takes Leonid's blasts on the chin for a moment, then flaps hard, ignoring all incoming fire. Beryl directs the Bio-Ship's shots to her face in an attempt to blind her. I can't tell whether it works or not, but it doesn't stop her flapping. Kon lunges in once more but Karfang twists, maintaining her lift while moving her wings out of his flight path. Kon takes another blast of fire as he pulls out and Karfang ponderously lifts into the air. Fortunately, she's too distracted to notice the Sphere flying down into the mountain behind her.

    "Cornwall Boy, can you drain magic from the dragon?"

    "Maybe? I need to be closer."

    Kaldur nods. "Be careful. You are not so resilient as Superboy or Starfire."

    "Yeah." Robert nods as the winds around his body pick up. "I know."

    He takes off at a steadier rate, going for height as much as closing the distance. While he should be able to drain a fae creature's magic it appears to work best at close range, and thus encounters the problem of physical teeth and mostly chemical fire.

    "Zatanna-."

    "Heads up, Aqualad." Wallace's voice comes in over the radio. "There's a whole bunch of… Gnomes? Heading your way."

    Raquel rises off the ground, heading for the entrance. "Gnomes, great."

    Kaldur looks at me. "How far from Altdorf are we?"

    "About four miles."

    He nods and lifts his water bearers into a guard position, one forming a shield and the other a mace. "Then we will have to prevent them leaving. Zatanna, make sure that we can see them."

    "The gnomes down there didn't use the invisibility." She lifts the staff. "But I suppose it doesn't hurt to make sure."

    A wave of violet mist covers the ground between us and the entrance, prompting Raquel to increase her h-. I attach a filament to her and transition her back as Karfang sends a gout of flame our way. Kon and Leonid are taking turns to pound her face but that's just irritating her. I'm not seeing any of the injuries a big lizard should take from being punched by super strong assail-. Ooh, they managed to time it so that they hit her from opposite sides at the same time.

    "Raaarwgh!"

    "Superboy, Starfire, focus on distracting her so that Cornwall Boy can get closer."

    They respond immediately, Kon going for her tail while Leonid punches her on the nose before backing off. She snaps at him and then opens her mouth to breathe fire, but he's already backing out of range. Unfortunately, he doesn't take into account exactly how fast she can move once she's airborne. One flap and she moves forwards at a speed that's frankly unrealistic. Leonid tries to evade, but she opens her jaws and cranes her neck to bite down on his legs! He winces slightly, but apparently she's tougher than she is strong. After a moment of trying to pull free and failing, he pulls himself up into a hitting position, jams an arm into each of her lower nostrils and fires!

    I create a railgun construct and load a mage slayer round as Karfang shudders, not actually hurt but definitely off-put. Something about shooting her nasal cavity doesn't trigger some part of her invulnerability. Because she can still smell? Is she immune to her own body? Whatever it is, splitting her attention between biting through Leonid and remaining in the air means that she fails to notice Robert drop down behind her head.

    "What-?"

    Raquel back up slightly as the first mutant gnome sprints out of the tunnel, spitting fire as it comes. She puts up a kinetic barrier, juking to the side to avoid getting roasted. The gnome runs straight into the barrier and is brought to an immediate stop. It huffs fire again, trying to burn the energy barrier with its flame. Others are already dashing out after it-.

    "I'm not the only one with a barrier, y'know!"

    Right. Controls are a bit awkward compared to a power ring, but I can still extend the version built into my armour. I spread it out, trying to cover-.

    One of the mutants shimmers, and a violet mist marker dives through the barrier. I track and fire, my mage slayer hitting it in the centre of mass and bowling it over. Some.. other mutants follow its example, but others content themselves with scrabbling fruitlessly against an unyielding surface. Track fire, track fire, track fire.

    "Are you..?" Raquel looks down, decidedly discomforted. "Killing them?"

    "Not yet. Broken bones and internal bleeding. Disabling and painful, but not lethal."

    "Okay. Just…"

    "Ah." Track fire. "You read about what I did on my holiday."

    "Yeah."

    "Don't worry. I'm on Justice League rules of engagement." Realising that they're not getting anywhere, the mutants start to back off. "Though those are a little more flexible than is commonly-."

    A giant mutant charges out of the entrance, runic claymores in hand!
     
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