With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

[RichardWhereat]

It doesn't matter whether you explicitly mentioned Celestia or not, the conversation was about her. Putting Yoda and Dumbles at the end makes them seem like examples rather than the topic, which is what they appear to be on a second read.

Plus, I don't see a response to any of the pints I made.

Oh, and btw, Dumbly wasn't any kind of reasonable mentor for Harry, he is literally Gendo Ikari but friendlier.

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1. It absolutely does matter, because I was responding to someone talking about why Yoda is a bad teacher. So your response about something entirely different is just bad arguments.

2. Since you refused to do me the respect of responding to what I was talking about, and changed the topic to Celestia, I didnt give you the respect of responding to what you were talking about.

3. What an absolute load of shit. This doesn't even need refuting. It's been done often enough.

 

[TheMidnightRook]

Nope. Flim and Flam and that earth pony who ran a resort were pretty bad and completely failed to turn into monsters.

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None of those attempted to consume an energy field larger than their head though, so it's not exactly a fair comparison.

 

[Idkusername]

getting jacked it a state of being, using steroids to do it is cheating.

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Except, doping has proven drawbacks such as health problems, etc. along with the fact that being an alicorn is in no way related to a competitive sport wherein using effort has value in an off itself.

I'm unfamiliar with MLP lore but I'd assume that people that aren't born alicorns or aren't happy-go-lucky types might get turned into monsters/evil. like Psykers in 40k if you aren't careful or covered in holy symbols you turn into a chaos spawn.

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Literally nowhere has that been implied in this fic.

1. It absolutely does matter, because I was responding to someone talking about why Yoda is a bad teacher. So your response about something entirely different is just bad arguments.

2. Since you refused to do me the respect of responding to what I was talking about, and changed the topic to Celestia, I didnt give you the respect of responding to what you were talking about.

3. What an absolute load of shit. This doesn't even need refuting. It's been done often enough.

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1. Looking back I see that you were actually referring to Yoda. It's my mistake. But that in no way invalidates my arguements.

2. Right... an honest mistake = arguing in bad faith? Wtf

3. What in hell... Dumbledore knew from the beginning that Harry would have to die, he explicitly put him with the Duddleys so that, and I'm paraphrasing here, wouldn't develop a big head! He wanted to make 100% sure that Harry would accept his death at Voldemort's hands. He looked for a backup plan for Harry in the Deathly Hallows, sure, but he would have gone through with his convoluted plan regardless. He only chose to reveal this after making sure that Harry and Voldy got a nice rivalry going. Just because he's a manipulative bastard doesn't make him evil. Do me the courtesy of being able to comprehend marginally complex character motivations.

 

[RichardWhereat]

Albus only started to suspect that Harry was a horcrux late in the game. He didn't even realise Voldie used Horcruxes until the second book. So, no.

Also, Albus explicitly did not believe in prophecy.

Do me the courtesy of actually reading the books and understanding the timeline.

 

[Ace Dreamer]

Maybe I've missed this detail, but is Grayven due an "Arrived on Wilson" Pinkie Party?

Or, is this a case of "ponies should be scene but not herd"?

 

[DAT_NOOB]

Except, doping has proven drawbacks such as health problems, etc. along with the fact that being an alicorn is in no way related to a competitive sport wherein using effort has value in an off itself.

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I didn't mention sports, I specifically said 'get jacked' in reference to an increase in size and muscle mass.
You can take drugs that will make you stronger and bigger in an easy way which is why using them to increase size and strength is cheating. (for the purposes of this argument I did not refer to sports but for the cause of gaining muscle mass for its own sake)
Now in relation to what sunset is doing she is using drugs magic to enhance her strength magical potential and change her form.
Still cheating

Literally nowhere has that been implied in this fic.

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That's fair like I said I'm not familiar enough with the magic lore of MLP to know about this stuff

 

[desolatedsabers]

i mean, you're kind of forgetting something. Steroids wear off. and also have addictive properties. Becoming an alicorn via a different method would still just give the same results as emotional enlightenment or whatever. so they'd still have to stay on top of their own mental state to not go wacko, same as normal ones, and would probably develop at around the same rate. it's not explicitly cheating but more "Well you did it this way, but i found another way that gives the same result." it's less cheating and more being pragmatic. if you can achieve the exact same results via a different method, then it's still just as viable as the other method. if it has drawbacks, then it's not.

 

[Lord Ernest]

Not sure if the analogy works or not, but to me it sounds like the "peak human condition" that Captain America and Batman have. Whatever they say, those "peak human conditions" are bullshit and sound more like Atlas superpower, but whatever, it's comic books. However Batman supposedly got his "peak human condition" training, while Captain America got his "peak human condition" with the Super Soldier Serum.

Maybe the serum is cheating, I personally wouldn't call it so because developing the serum took time and effort, even if it wasn't Steve that made it and even if it wasn't the same level of time and effort that Bruce supposedly made to train himself. But at the end of the day both ended up with bullshit level of physical abilities.

The Sword of Beowulf, in the YJ canon and in this fic, works for anybody that is pure of heart; even with its grotesque appearance I imagine that whomever designed the enchantment on that intended for it to be somebody like Captain Marvel, somebody with a good, pure heart. But the idiot of Harm still managed to make his heart pure, by killing his sister and going full edge-third-person-lord, so at the end of the day he managed to use the Sword as well!

If the only acceptable way to become an Alicorn was through whatever friendship enlightenment bullshit, then it sounds to me as if Cadance (think that's her name?) cheated as well as her baby Alicorn or they shouldn't be Alicorns at all, unless it gets proven that they went through the same friendship enlightenment bullshit. If not, then Alicornism is just an ascension/transformation, and all the study and hard work that Sunset invested in finding a way to get that ascension is as valid as, I don't know, being born an Alicorn or whatever.

 

[Siskulous]

When being a father.

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When he handles children, even shitty ones.

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Touche.

Maybe I've missed this detail, but is Grayven due an "Arrived on Wilson" Pinkie Party?

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Somehow I suspect Pinkie would rather throw him a going away party.

 

[Mr Zoat]

Equestria
Afternoon

Twilight turns her head-. Whaw pony necks are flexible. Turns her head back to glare at me.

"And you weren't going to introduce us?"

"Well-."

Princess Cadance flaps her wings and passes neatly over Twilight before landing just inside the room. "Hello, I'm-."

"Mi. Amore."

Cadance spots Sunset, her eyes widening and her body tensing.

"Cadenza."

Twilight pivots on the spot at the sound of discord, and goes into friending mode. "Sunset was just telling me that you two knew each other?"

Sunset grits her teeth for a moment. "Yes. Yes we did."

Cadance cringes. "I… Didn't know you were back?"

"Clearly."

Cadance backs up slightly and misjudges the angle, her haunches hitting the wall rather than going back through the door. As Sunset gets closer Cadance falls onto her haunches with a nervous grimace of a smile on her face, Sunset gritting her teeth and grinding them in what would be a bad idea for a human. But I guess it's fine for equine teeth? Or maybe becoming an alicorn fixes dental issues?

"M'm rryeh."

Cadance blinks. "Ah..? Pardon?"

"I'm-. Sorry."

Sunset breathes heavily, the glare of her eyes not quite matching her words. Though it does match their tone.

"You're… Sorry?"

The teeth grit again. "Yes. I'm.. sorry for how I treated you when we were living together."

"Oh, that's alri-."

Sunset raises her right forehoof. "No. No. No it's not."

"Okay?"

Sunset lowers her hoof. "I was-." She takes a look at Cadance's face and sags slightly. "And I'm scaring you again. And this time I'm not even trying to." She shakes her head and backs up a little in the hope that Cadance will feel secure enough to stand. When that doesn't work she shakes her head sadly and trudges back to the blackboard.

"Cadance?" Twilight looks curiously at her former foalsitter. "You.. knew Sunset Shimmer? You never mentioned her?"

"I… No. Um. Yes. She was living at the palace when Princess Celestia first brought me here. I didn't-."

"It's fine." Sunset turns around dejectedly. "Magic is my special talent, the same as yours. I doubt Cadenza wanted you to turn out like I did."

"Why? What happened between you two?"

"I wanted to learn magic. Celestia wanted me to learn civics. We argued, and Celestia -in her wisdom- decided that the best way to convince me she was right was to show me my future in Starswirl's mirror. I saw myself as a powerful alicorn."

"So you were jealous? You thought Cadance was trying to take your place?"

Sunset shakes her head. "Cadenza wasn't living in the palace at that point. But after that I spent all my time studying alicorns, trying to work out how the transformation worked... I spent months on that and didn't find anything. I bugged Celestia to tell me how it worked and got nowhere. In the end I started to think that I'd-" She glances at the blackboard again with a rueful smile. "-need to work it out from scratch all by myself. Which was.. fine. I like doing magical experiments."

"And then Cadenza happened."

Twilight frowns. "What do you mean 'happened'?"

With Sunset a safe distance away, Cadance gets back to her hooves. "I ascended. I didn't plan-."

"Oh, I know you didn't. I finally worked out how you did it, and if you never want to sleep again I'll show you my calculations for what would have happened if you'd been standing an inch to the left when the amulet exploded."

Twilight looks from Cadance to Sunset. "So you were.. envious?"

"A little. But when I met her she was so clearly clueless-" Twilight frowns a little. "-that it didn't really last. I just wanted her to give me as much information about what happened as she could so I could add a first hoof account to my data. And she wouldn't."

"Oh." Twilight looks at Cadance. "Why.. not..?"

"Because-."

"Because Celestia told her not to." Sunset shakes her head. "I can't believe I didn't work it out sooner."

"Aunt Celestia was worried about you! You were becoming obsessed! Everything was about becoming an alicorn!"

"And it didn't stop just because you were withholding information from me!" Sunset gives a humourless chuckle. "The funny thing is, telling what happened probably wouldn't have helped me all that much. All it would have done is made me stop hating you for obstructing me." She sags. "Because I couldn't bring myself to hate the mare actually responsible." She tosses her mane and straightens up a little. "So, yeah, I'm sorry for all the things I did to try and make you tell me. And now I'm putting the blame firmly where it belongs."

Twilights right ear twitches in a way which probably conveys all sorts of meaning to other ponies. "So… You've realised that your obsessive behaviour was self-destructive and you've come to apologise to everypony you offended and repair your old friendships?"

"No. I've come to prove that I was right all along."

Twilight frowns. "Ah-?"

"And that Celestia was wrong."

Twilight gasps in absolute horror!

I nod. "Yeah, I just got back from talking to Celestia. You… Kind of lost your temper, there."

"I know, I know." She sighs. "She just did it again!"

"I think she was trying to be nice."

"How is she this bad at it?!"

"A thousand years of ponies not wanting to get sent to the moon?" Cadance stares at me, her eyes wide. "Too soon?"

"Nopony's afraid of Aunt Celestia! I'm sure-" She turns her head towards Sunset. "-that she didn't mean whatever it was that made you so angry."

"Is it better that she's massively condescending by accident?"

Cadance starts to answer, hesitates to consider the question, then nods confidently. "Yes, it is. Because it means that she didn't do it deliberately to drive you away, and the fact that she's still reaching out to you shows that she really does want to improve your relationship." She takes a hesitant step towards Sunset. "The question is, do you?"

"I…" Sunset slumps. "Yes? I just-. I've spent a lot of time thinking about why I left, and I-. I know I could have handled it better. But so could she! I need her to.. acknowledge that, or something. And not just a generic 'I'm sorry you feel that way' thing, I need her to actually get what she did wrong." She huffs. "Maybe I'll go talk to her again before I ascend. But right now I just want-. Twilight, could you get on the-?"

"Celestia was wrong?!"

 

[TheMidnightRook]

"And that Celestia was wrong."

Twilight gasps in absolute horror!

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"This video is no longer available because the youtube account associated with it has closed."

 

[Prognostic Hannya]

Twilight gasps in absolute horror!

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Link's broken, FYI

 

[Prognostic Hannya]

"This video is no longer available because the youtube account associated with it has closed."

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You beat me to it by a hair, I shouldn't have taken the time to check it on another browser.

 

[Citizen]

Does Celestia remember how to be wrong? It's probably been a while since she tried.

 

[gustyeagle]

"This video is no longer available because the youtube account associated with it has closed."

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Link's broken, FYI

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Equestria
Afternoon

Twilight turns her head-. Whaw pony necks are flexible. Turns her head back to glare at me.

"And you weren't going to introduce us?"

"Well-."

Princess Cadance flaps her wings and passes neatly over Twilight before landing just inside the room. "Hello, I'm-."

"Mi. Amore."

Cadance spots Sunset, her eyes widening and her body tensing.

"Cadenza."

Twilight pivots on the spot at the sound of discord, and goes into friending mode. "Sunset was just telling me that you two knew each other?"

Sunset grits her teeth for a moment. "Yes. Yes we did."

Cadance cringes. "I… Didn't know you were back?"

"Clearly."

Cadance backs up slightly and misjudges the angle, her haunches hitting the wall rather than going back through the door. As Sunset gets closer Cadance falls onto her haunches with a nervous grimace of a smile on her face, Sunset gritting her teeth and grinding them in what would be a bad idea for a human. But I guess it's fine for equine teeth? Or maybe becoming an alicorn fixes dental issues?

"M'm rryeh."

Cadance blinks. "Ah..? Pardon?"

"I'm-. Sorry."

Sunset breathes heavily, the glare of her eyes not quite matching her words. Though it does match their tone.

"You're… Sorry?"

The teeth grit again. "Yes. I'm.. sorry for how I treated you when we were living together."

"Oh, that's alri-."

Sunset raises her right forehoof. "No. No. No it's not."

"Okay?"

Sunset lowers her hoof. "I was-." She takes a look at Cadance's face and sags slightly. "And I'm scaring you again. And this time I'm not even trying to." She shakes her head and backs up a little in the hope that Cadance will feel secure enough to stand. When that doesn't work she shakes her head sadly and trudges back to the blackboard.

"Cadance?" Twilight looks curiously at her former foalsitter. "You.. knew Sunset Shimmer? You never mentioned her?"

"I… No. Um. Yes. She was living at the palace when Princess Celestia first brought me here. I didn't-."

"It's fine." Sunset turns around dejectedly. "Magic is my special talent, the same as yours. I doubt Cadenza wanted you to turn out like I did."

"Why? What happened between you two?"

"I wanted to learn magic. Celestia wanted me to learn civics. We argued, and Celestia -in her wisdom- decided that the best way to convince me she was right was to show me my future in Starswirl's mirror. I saw myself as a powerful alicorn."

"So you were jealous? You thought Cadance was trying to take your place?"

Sunset shakes her head. "Cadenza wasn't living in the palace at that point. But after that I spent all my time studying alicorns, trying to work out how the transformation worked... I spent months on that and didn't find anything. I bugged Celestia to tell me how it worked and got nowhere. In the end I started to think that I'd-" She glances at the blackboard again with a rueful smile. "-need to work it out from scratch all by myself. Which was.. fine. I like doing magical experiments."

"And then Cadenza happened."

Twilight frowns. "What do you mean 'happened'?"

With Sunset a safe distance away, Cadance gets back to her hooves. "I ascended. I didn't plan-."

"Oh, I know you didn't. I finally worked out how you did it, and if you never want to sleep again I'll show you my calculations for what would have happened if you'd been standing an inch to the left when the amulet exploded."

Twilight looks from Cadance to Sunset. "So you were.. envious?"

"A little. But when I met her she was so clearly clueless-" Twilight frowns a little. "-that it didn't really last. I just wanted her to give me as much information about what happened as I could so I could add a first hoof account to my data. And she wouldn't."

"Oh." Twilight looks at Cadance. "Why.. not..?"

"Because-."

"Because Celestia told her not to." Sunset shakes her head. "I can't believe I didn't work it out sooner."

"Aunt Celestia was worried about you! You were becoming obsessed! Everything was about becoming an alicorn!"

"And it didn't stop just because you were withholding information from me!" Sunset gives a humourless chuckle. "The funny thing is, telling what happened probably wouldn't have helped me all that much. All it would have done is made me stop hating you for obstructing me." She sags. "Because I couldn't bring myself to hate the mare actually responsible." She tosses her mane and straightens up a little. "So, yeah, I'm sorry for all the things I did to try and make you tell me. And now I'm putting the blame firmly where it belongs."

Twilights right ear twitches in a way which probably conveys all sorts of meaning to other ponies. "So… You've realised that your obsessive behaviour was self-destructive and you've come to apologise to everyone you offended and repair your old friendships?"

"No. I've come to prove that I was right all along."

Twilight frowns. "Ah-?"

"And that Celestia was wrong."

Twilight gasps in absolute horror!

I nod. "Yeah, I just got back from talking to Celestia. You… Kind of lost your temper, there."

"I know, I know." She sighs. "She just did it again!"

"I think she was trying to be nice."

"How is she this bad at it?!"

"A thousand years of ponies not wanting to get sent to the moon?" Cadance stares at me, her eyes wide. "Too soon?"

"Nopony's afraid of Aunt Celestia! I'm sure-" She turns her head towards Sunset. "-that she didn't mean whatever it was that made you so angry."

"Is it better that she's massively condescending by accident?"

Cadance starts to answer, hesitates to consider the question, then nods confidently. "Yes, it is. Because it means that she didn't do it deliberately to drive you away, and the fact that she's still reaching out to you shows that she really does want to improve your relationship." She takes a hesitant step towards Sunset. "The question is, do you?"

"I…" Sunset slumps. "Yes? I just-. I've spent a lot of time thinking about why I left, and I-. I know I could have handled it better. But so could she! I need her to.. acknowledge that, or something. And not just a generic 'I'm sorry you feel that way' thing, I need her to actually get what she did wrong." She huffs. "Maybe I'll go talk to her again before I ascend. But right I just want-. Twilight, could you get on the-?"

"Celestia was wrong?!"

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probably something like this

 

[Ganurath]

probably something like this

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Maybe not a playlist set to automatically go to the next video when the one you're linking is less than a second.

 

[Doccer]

"Celestia was wrong?!"

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You poor indoctrinated soul

 

[Doccer]

Twilight gasps in absolute horror!

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The link goes to a removed video.

 

[Prognostic Hannya]

probably something like this

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This is the internet, so I'm not even surprised that this playlist is a thing. What shocks me is that a playlist tuitled "Gasping Twilight and her friends" is SFW enough to be hosted on YouTube

 

[Chojin Patriarch]

Equestria
Afternoon

Twilight turns her head-. Whaw pony necks are flexible. Turns her head back to glare at me.

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Even more flexible than actual Earth horses, depending on the animator, I suspect. Never mind the really weird ones like Pinkie Pie...

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"And you weren't going to introduce us?"

"Well-."

Princess Cadance flaps her wings and passes neatly over Twilight before landing just inside the room. "Hello, I'm-."

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Oh, boy. Grab your hardhats, kiddies, explosion imminent!

"Mi. Amore."

Cadance spots Sunset, her eyes widening and her body tensing.

"Cadenza."

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Oh, dear. That's a worrying colour to see...

Twilight pivots on the spot at the sound of discord, and goes into friending mode. "Sunset was just telling me that you two knew each other?"

Sunset grits her teeth for a moment. "Yes. Yes we did."

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Twilight, word of advice: Read the room!

Cadance cringes. "I… Didn't know you were back?"

"Clearly."

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Geez, even I felt a chill from that one. Brr.

Cadance backs up slightly and misjudges the angle, her haunches hitting the wall rather than going back through the door. As Sunset gets closer Cadance falls onto her haunches with a nervous grimace of a smile on her face, Sunset gritting her teeth and grinding them in what would be a bad idea for a human. But I guess it's fine for equine teeth? Or maybe becoming an alicorn fixes dental issues?

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Some manner of subtle regeneration? Celestia clearly has something keeping her body young and healthy...

"M'm rryeh."

Cadance blinks. "Ah..? Pardon?"

"I'm-. Sorry."

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Wait, Sunset's sorry? Talk about whiplash!

Sunset breathes heavily, the glare of her eyes not quite matching her words. Though it does match their tone.

"You're… Sorry?"

The teeth grit again. "Yes. I'm.. sorry for how I treated you when we were living together."

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Ah... I'm picturing frequent pestering about her ascension and the process involved... And then freezing her out when she won't answer...

"Oh, that's alri-."

Sunset raises her right forehoof. "No. No. No it's not."

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Boy, this must feel cleansing for her, having carried that for a year...

"Okay?"

Sunset lowers her hoof. "I was-." She takes a look at Cadance's face and sags slightly. "And I'm scaring you again. And this time I'm not even trying to." She shakes her head and backs up a little in the hope that Cadance will feel secure enough to stand. When that doesn't work she shakes her head sadly and trudges back to the blackboard.

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Must have been one hell of a shouting match back then. But I suppose Cadance has had fifteen years for it all to stew up...

"Cadance?" Twilight looks curiously at her former foalsitter. "You.. knew Sunset Shimmer? You never mentioned her?"

"I… No. Um. Yes. She was living at the palace when Princess Celestia first brought me here. I didn't-."

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Probably still had some bad memories of the lady...

"It's fine." Sunset turns around dejectedly. "Magic is my special talent, the same as yours. I doubt Cadenza wanted you to turn out like I did."

"Why? What happened between you two?"

"I wanted to learn magic. Celestia wanted me to learn civics. We argued, and Celestia -in her wisdom- decided that the best way to convince me she was right was to show me my future in Starswirl's mirror. I saw myself as a powerful alicorn."

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Yeah, that would just have reinforced her desires...

"So you were jealous? You thought Cadance was trying to take your place?"

Sunset shakes her head. "Cadenza wasn't living in the palace at that point. But after that I spent all my time studying alicorns, trying to work out how the transformation worked... I spent months on that and didn't find anything. I bugged Celestia to tell me how it worked and got nowhere. In the end I started to think that I'd-" She glances at the blackboard again with a rueful smile. "-need to work it out from scratch all by myself. Which was.. fine. I like doing magical experiments."

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Understatement of the century.

"And then Cadenza happened."

Twilight frowns. "What do you mean 'happened'?"

With Sunset a safe distance away, Cadance gets back to her hooves. "I ascended. I didn't plan-."

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And that must have hurt a lot for Sunset... Seeing someone blunder into what she wanted so much...

"Oh, I know you didn't. I finally worked out how you did it, and if you never want to sleep again I'll show you my calculations for what would have happened if you'd been standing an inch to the left when the amulet exploded."

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...I'm picturing something akin to a Chaos Spawn...

Twilight looks from Cadance to Sunset. "So you were.. envious?"

"A little. But when I met her she was so clearly clueless-" Twilight frowns a little. "-that it didn't really last. I just wanted her to give me as much information about what happened as I could so I could add a first hoof account to my data. And she wouldn't."

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Of course, you can't blame her for that... She had orders from a higher power...

"Oh." Twilight looks at Cadance. "Why.. not..?"

"Because-."

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Oh, boy. This is going to hurt someone...

"Because Celestia told her not to." Sunset shakes her head. "I can't believe I didn't work it out sooner."

"Aunt Celestia was worried about you! You were becoming obsessed! Everything was about becoming an alicorn!"

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Next thing you know she'd be trying dark magic to gain power... You know, like Sombra...

"And it didn't stop just because you were withholding information from me!" Sunset gives a humourless chuckle. "The funny thing is, telling what happened probably wouldn't have helped me all that much. All it would have done is made me stop hating you for obstructing me." She sags. "Because I couldn't bring myself to hate the mare actually responsible." She tosses her mane and straightens up a little. "So, yeah, I'm sorry for all the things I did to try and make you tell me. And now I'm putting the blame firmly where it belongs."

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Right in the back of a certain Sunbutt.

Twilights right ear twitches in a way which probably conveys all sorts of meaning to other ponies. "So… You've realised that your obsessive behaviour was self-destructive and you've come to apologise to everyone you offended and repair your old friendships?"

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Still trying to make peace and encourage friendship, eh? Ah, you poor, naive mare.

"No. I've come to prove that I was right all along."

Twilight frowns. "Ah-?"

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Quick, cover her ears!

"And that Celestia was wrong."

Twilight gasps in absolute horror!

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Too late... 'Twilight Sparkle.exe' has encountered an error and must restart.
(This must be a bit you wrote a while back, eh?)

I nod. "Yeah, I just got back from talking to Celestia. You… Kind of lost your temper, there."

"I know, I know." She sighs. "She just did it again!"

"I think she was trying to be nice."

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The problem is she's not used to doing it with ponies who don't revere her as a living goddess...

"How is she this bad at it?!"

"A thousand years of ponies not wanting to get sent to the moon?" Cadance stares at me, her eyes wide. "Too soon?"

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...Just a bit. Luna's going to hear about that, I bet...

"Nopony's afraid of Aunt Celestia! I'm sure-" She turns her head towards Sunset. "-that she didn't mean whatever it was that made you so angry."

"Is it better that she's massively condescending by accident?"

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To be honest, at this point that may well be her default mode of behaviour, albeit covered in maternal concern...

Cadance starts to answer, hesitates to consider the question, then nods confidently. "Yes, it is. Because it means that she didn't do it deliberately to drive you away, and the fact that she's still reaching out to you shows that she really does want to improve your relationship." She takes a hesitant step towards Sunset. "The question is, do you?"

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...And the Princess of Love sees to the heart of matters.

"I…" Sunset slumps. "Yes? I just-. I've spent a lot of time thinking about why I left, and I-. I know I could have handled it better. But so could she! I need her to.. acknowledge that, or something. And not just a generic 'I'm sorry you feel that way' thing, I need her to actually get what she did wrong." She huffs. "Maybe I'll go talk to her again before I ascend. But right I just want-. Twilight, could you get on the-?"

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One second, Sunset. She's still rebooting...

"Celestia was wrong?!"

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Ah, there we go. She's back online.

Well, that turned out well. I was expecting more shouting, really. It's amazing to see Sunset be so reasonable. She must be in a good mood...

Maybe not a playlist set to automatically go to the next video when the one you're linking is less than a second.

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If it helps, cut the first ampersand and everything after it to remove that part. If Mr Zoat wants to use that clip, that'd be the best idea.

 

[RichardWhereat]

Does Celestia remember how to be wrong? It's probably been a while since she tried.

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She doesn't have to know how, she gets it done instinctively. Isn't that awesome?

 

[Mr Zoat]

"This video is no longer available because the youtube account associated with it has closed."

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Thank you, corrected.

 

[Handlewithcare]

You poor indoctrinated soul

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Don't forget she is an immortal who literally raises and lowers the sun.

Quite a lot of us humans would pray to someone like that.

To Twilight Celestia is a reassuring rock, a foundation of her life, someone she can always turn to. A parent. Someone like that isn't supposed to be wrong, it makes the world...insecure.

 

[Sceptic]

"This video is no longer available because the youtube account associated with it has closed."

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Yep, that's absolute horror alright.

 

[Darko]

I can see why ponies would be afraid of being banished to the moon, even if Celestia doesn't do it.

There is this fic called A Hollow in Equestria, where Ulquiorra is sent there by Discord and tells Celestia why people may fear and she has the qualities of a tyrant, even if she isn't one and has no plans on becoming one.

 

[ArKFallen]

I don't like My Little Pony at all.

This chapter is high quality. The timing and pacing of each pony's actions/responses has me imagining this chapter as part of a television episode.

 

[Soul Shocker]

"Celestia was wrong?!"

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Celestia IS wrong!

 

[Sockmonkey]

Don't forget she is an immortal who literally raises and lowers the sun.

Quite a lot of us humans would pray to someone like that.

To Twilight Celestia is a reassuring rock, a foundation of her life, someone she can always turn to. A parent. Someone like that isn't supposed to be wrong, it makes the world...insecure.

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See this just shows how much Celestia needs Luna. Someone she can interact with as an equal. Ironic that she's basically the most friendless pony in the world.

 

[Ace Dreamer]

But right I just want-

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Missing word 'now', or a missing comma?

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Fun chapter, with Sunset showing some self-understanding, which tends to be very tricky in somepony her age... And, Grayven didn't get the trolling he expected, yet, anyhow - how sad.

Somehow I suspect Pinkie would rather throw him a going away party.

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That might be what she wants, but, what does she consider her (maybe with a gritted-teeth smile) duty?

 

[iamnuff]

"Is it better that she's massively condescending by accident?"

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She's an immortal god-being who has absolutely no peers, dealing with creatures sized like tiny children, and who are young enough to be her great-great-great-great-great grandchildren.

Being a bit condescending is expected, tbh.

So long as Sunset remembers not to be so annoying when she herself is an immortal god-being, it should be fine.