Yes. Because you're ignoring that dealing with Daybreaker alone is going to take time. Time in which we can find the Outsider, explore the Malleary, and generally get much, much closer to the Glory ending. So yes, it's still suboptimal, because it's going to take longer.
Would people stop being paranoid about Mareinette that is explicitly not how her ablity works. Mareinette power is to act as Velvet for social actions, doing anything else would be breaking her binding.
If Celestia can reach Lantern 4 in four turns when all Eclipse has is a single Lantern artifact, she's going to be doing that independent of any sort of institutional knowledge. In which case I don't see why introducing the Lores to the Bureau would be any riskier. Especially since if we're really worried about it we can. You know. Just leave out the Lantern for Dummies manual?
We want to make sure we have all the loot before we let the Bureau in, I think. Since you still have to make your way through Part 1 and Part 2 to get to the Part 3 door, it's just that the path is already mapped so the obstacles don't need to be rolled again. So it'd probably be a bit inconvenient trying to raid the innermost depths of the mountain while our own employees are busy poking around
Celestia is supposed to have 4 Lores. While only one can be used to discover Velvet's levels, 3 other can still help her to climb Mansus and thus reach locations where she would be able to improve her Lantern. Not mention that having ponies knowing Lores means also having ponies capable to recognize Lore artifacts. First Celestia orders us to give all information we found to Eclipse. They study it and then go to archives or royal vaults, discover and study new Lore artifacts and report them to Celestia. She uses them for her climbing.
Um, yes. Daybreaker will take time, time that we would need to invest actions in anyway unless we want to find out what the hyperthermia mechanic does, that we also have no idea how to kill an Outsider or even if we can do it without heavy investment(even more actions)and would need to research it unless it is as easy as breaking his prison(I'm pretty sure it is Discord at this point) is also something to keep in mind.
Celestia's rolling a base of +50 just from being an alicorn. She's not going to have any problems exploring the lower Mansus, artifacts or no artifacts.
We also have no idea how to contact Harmony, what the win condition for Harmony even is, how to go about the process that would lead to that win condition, how to solve the Daybreaker problem, or how long solving the Daybreaker problem will take once Selene comes up with some sort of plan.
You mean besides the fact where we haven't even been told IC, officially or unofficially, that Eclipse is a research facility? Or, hell, even their actual department name? And therefore reasonably shouldn't be expected to automatically pass on stuff we found in a cave to an institution whose purpose IC is literally just a big fat question mark, especially when we have no standing orders to do so? Especially if said stuff we found in a cave isn't related to the changelings, which is currently the only thing Celestia seems to be expecting reports from us about?
I... like this plan for the most part. It's solid it's clean, it handles all the concerns I have for the Bureau and works towards most of the plans expected, actually starts in on DoA Sacrament, and fixes health concerns, gets some useful artifacts, Finally actually starts hunting for the Outsider (!) ... all that jazz.
My assumption is Baldomare would do it. While she would certainly be the most effective at searching for the Outsider, other followers can still throw their dice at it and still make progress. A really good RotT pretty much requires Baldomare to be the one to do it, though.
I expect they're out there, but they're not spots you can just go in and draw a circle. Basically, if we send someone out looking for a permanent, nonsuspicious spot and they succeed, I expect them to be coming back with an expedition, not a spot we can use right away.
Also I just want to bring up that in my recent post I did suggest doing a simultaneous Spoiled Rich + Filthy Rich social action if Bird lets us, since he's let us multitask socials before as long as they made sense. That way we can do both
Velvet writes reports to Celestia. And as I said before I expect that we would keep Celestia informed about our findings. Which is why I proposed to do it slow, so we are ordered to look for more materials, or at least tie it to changelings so we have reason to teach lores to our agents, or not bother with Bureau Lores at all.
You know what, I'm clearly not going to convince you, so I'm just going to stop wasting my energy on this, because this is going a whole lot of nowhere. Believe what you want, I guess.
That still leave Glory up for grab from someone else.
this too, yeah.
If at all possible I'd rather send only 2. It's just too expensive to send 3.
not quite, we have shortcuts (holes in the mountain walls) to reach directly the end of part 1 and 2. But yeah, if we let the Bureau people in then there's a risk of them reaching part 3 before we're done...We want to make sure we have all the loot before we let the Bureau in, I think. Since you still have to make your way through Part 1 and Part 2 to get to the Part 3 door, it's just that the path is already mapped so the obstacles don't need to be rolled again. So it'd probably be a bit inconvenient trying to raid the innermost depths of the mountain while our own employees are busy poking around
Bird repeatedly stated Glory is our best option right now.
Yeah, we are PROBABLY one to three steps away from Glory ending (find outsider, sacrifice outsider, POSSIBLY deal with something beyond Tricuspid), while we quite literally have no idea how many steps there are for Harmony, and we're basically at step 0 of Moon (though I still want to explore there once we've done SH Sacrament, but that's mostly because I expect us to find useful stuff there even independent of the actual moon ending, and partly because it costs us very little).
nah, they likely exist. the cult had one, for example.
The Cult was its own thing that did indeed generate suspicion, see Dull Glass being sent. And being associated with it gave us suspicion, see the actions we did to disassociate from it!
Hmm. I... agree that no one else could, but I feel it would be best to have Baldomare search for the Outsider.
Moon requires Heirlooms, 2 of which have been destroyed.
Where are you getting that from??
Oh, at least four steps till Glory.
The blood is unlikely to be a physical thing we'll need to put anywhere. When we found where Luna had run off to, the option to kill her would have given us the "Blood of the Outsider" trait; it is more probably a metaphysical status - a note that we have tasted and claimed some of the powers that come from outside the World.
? I mean in the Manus. Physical or no, it needs to be taken somewhere, per... this'n!
that's literally NEVER been said.
So, I'm not really following the conversation, but this is something I feel I should comment on, because as terrifying as the thought is that Celestia has started working on her Lore levels and the consequences of that are… well, I feel like Level 0 may end up giving some initial misconceptions, purely because of our own experiences of growing from that point, as well as meta knowledge.
