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Esquestria: The House of the Sun - A pony cultist experience
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If we end up back in bed [Dancing With Death] for another month because the thread chose to have Biedde dig up a body that will be horribly hilarious. Extremely unlikely though. Like probably a 1% chance of that happening?
Also found this quote while playing Priest legacy:
"The thought of the wood was in vain, for the fire came and it was changed unto ash"
Also found this quote while playing Priest legacy:
"The thought of the wood was in vain, for the fire came and it was changed unto ash"
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We could consider having a Selene action next turn on her Reveal version of her Knock action, the one where she goes BE NOT AFRAID and brings divine moon revelations and commandments. Considering the double shot of Bureau loyalty and street cred from the greenhoofs and the presumable windigo snoot-booping, that should frankly be more than enough to make Reproach personally loyal to Velvet. IIRC Celestia's orders for Velvet specifically puts Luna above Celestia herself in the chain of who Velvet answers to. Not worth much for not getting Formula Fissive'd via sunbeam, but it actually factually makes us completely justified in telling Roach to commit to keeping secrets from Celestia by virtue of "Luna said so" before being allowed to learn the secrets he really wants to know about.
Like, QM specifically was tempted to just declare the omake where Velvet did the Luna reveal to him as canon and add it to the main threadmarks. Investing a Selene AP into wresting that outcome into the Tapestry should be perfectly viable.
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We actually might get the chance to do that next turn(or be forced to do it) if the hints we have seen are not smokescreens for something else.
Beyond Reproach is already investigating Velvet and we just got a massive amount of respect fron the Bureau(and are going to get more when we kill the Windigo) so a Luna reveal is basicaly guaranteed from what I can see.
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If we kill the Windigo, not to be pesimistic, but more bodies means more rolls means more chances of a nat 1's...also of nat 100's, but what are the chances of us having actual good luck for once?
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Heck yeah. Time to unveil the Windigos' three hidden skills, that include multi-combat, explosion upon death, and a one-combat +25 combat stats
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Heck yeah. Time to unveil the Windigos' three hidden skills, that include multi-combat, explosion upon death, and a one-combat +25 combat stats
We have Wrong Keys. "Nah, I'd win"
Also, @OurLadyOfWires, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GIVE US THE KNOCK SACRAMENT IM DYINNNNNNG. YOU PROMISED! IVE BEEN PATIENT! SOON IS IN THE REAR VIEW MIRROR! IT WAS ALREADY SOON! PLEEEEEASE
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This is going to hurt us later, not getting rid of him.
we keep taking half measure after half measures, only being willing to put our hoof down after we've had our eye blackened and nose bloodied, only when we've either been stolen from or had a terrible threat be close to coming true for Velvet to ever do anything that is more permanent or final. And some of y'all wonder why we're constantly on the verge of a game over, and now we're in this situation with Celestia.
When can we stop being so fucking half-assed?
Morals is gonna do Velvet a whole lotta good when she's dead. (Not)
we keep taking half measure after half measures, only being willing to put our hoof down after we've had our eye blackened and nose bloodied, only when we've either been stolen from or had a terrible threat be close to coming true for Velvet to ever do anything that is more permanent or final. And some of y'all wonder why we're constantly on the verge of a game over, and now we're in this situation with Celestia.
When can we stop being so fucking half-assed?
Morals is gonna do Velvet a whole lotta good when she's dead. (Not)
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You call it half-assing, i call it not angering Celestia more by killing the head of Eclipse.
At the end of the day, rolls are mostly what matters.
Even if we have a good plan, it might as well be trash with bad rolls.
Consequently, even being at the edge of a Game Over can be overcome with good rolls.
So complain more to RNG than to morality.
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Is this about morals or generally bad choices from a gameplay perspective?
Because some choices were bad and immoral(using a PtN against Copper) and some were bad and moral(having Rarity design Cadance's dress instead of bringing the Names).
I understand the frustration in not being able to play a character the way you want to, but attributing our failures to a moral compass isn't exactly correct. Characters have their agency, randomness exists and us players as human beings can make bad choices for a multitude of reasons.
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I've been so damned BUSY... I've actually very quickly skimmed the update, and kind of regret not being able to be PROPERLY suprised by... things.
But well, let's see what actually happened. I actually only know basically three things:
1) The vote is about how to deal with Windigo Jars
2) We're, I think, meeting Cadance... though maybe we're stopped by bureau stuff before that?
3) The MASTER somehow survived, if changed and he hates us, and I actually don't blame them.
so, back from the dream, Bureau stuff went well enough...
But I get what she means.
mh... I don't know... I really can't decide here. there's consequences to both helping and hindering his climb, after all.
I'm not willing to do the ultimatum, but anything else is acceptable to me.
this, and the other words...
I'd PROBABLY do it again, but I was already tempted to try for something else... and ideally if I went further back I'd try to give us more options.
...this nearly makes me hope that no, it's not ACTUALLY the master... but I don't think we're that lucky.
I think we might need to bite the bullet on this. with 7 ponies and Velvet to lead, we can probably manage.
There MIGHT be more (they ARE edge and winter 5), but it's possible those edge-winter traits are the ones that make them break free of bindings when in high numbers and give them the "heal after combat" trait.
so... +55.
On the other side, we'd have
Velvet: +29, reroll every 6 rolls
6 guards. Shining was at +25, so I think we can assume they'd be somewhere between +15 and +20.
12 to 15 martial and a +5 combat trait would indicate a peak-tier guard, and we DID go for quality over quantity for our bureau.
@OurLadyOfWires just to be sure, if the Windigo rolls... say an 80 total, and we have a guard that rolls 90 total and everyone else <80, is the Windigo the ONLY one that gets damage?
I don't think we can afford this. It's just too much suspicion.
if we do this I think our hope would be EXACTLY for Eclipse to deal with it. Ideally with Celestia right there ready to kill it with lots of fire.
Then again... do we WANT that?
But well, let's see what actually happened. I actually only know basically three things:
1) The vote is about how to deal with Windigo Jars
2) We're, I think, meeting Cadance... though maybe we're stopped by bureau stuff before that?
3) The MASTER somehow survived, if changed and he hates us, and I actually don't blame them.
though I'm certain they didn't hurt!
so, back from the dream, Bureau stuff went well enough...
well, it's not completely unexpected.
so largely a more grown up Twilight?
well, for the same reason Velvet does, I suppose.
But I get what she means.
That's worthy of respect. It's not exactly easy to keep up with Velvet this way.
mh... I don't know... I really can't decide here. there's consequences to both helping and hindering his climb, after all.
I'm not willing to do the ultimatum, but anything else is acceptable to me.
yeah, this definitely surprised me when I Accidentally skimmed through.
this, and the other words...
and I'm again kinda sorta regretting that regrettable action...
I'd PROBABLY do it again, but I was already tempted to try for something else... and ideally if I went further back I'd try to give us more options.
Well, except Ash (and the Wolf sons). Ash "loves" us, after all...
I SUSPECT that we might want to NEVER again summon a Windigo.
...this nearly makes me hope that no, it's not ACTUALLY the master... but I don't think we're that lucky.
I think we might need to bite the bullet on this. with 7 ponies and Velvet to lead, we can probably manage.
Windigo should have 3 health and an effective +55 to combat. With reroll AT LEAST every 6 rounds.
There MIGHT be more (they ARE edge and winter 5), but it's possible those edge-winter traits are the ones that make them break free of bindings when in high numbers and give them the "heal after combat" trait.
so... +55.
On the other side, we'd have
Velvet: +29, reroll every 6 rolls
6 guards. Shining was at +25, so I think we can assume they'd be somewhere between +15 and +20.
12 to 15 martial and a +5 combat trait would indicate a peak-tier guard, and we DID go for quality over quantity for our bureau.
@OurLadyOfWires just to be sure, if the Windigo rolls... say an 80 total, and we have a guard that rolls 90 total and everyone else <80, is the Windigo the ONLY one that gets damage?
I don't think we can afford this. It's just too much suspicion.
if we do this I think our hope would be EXACTLY for Eclipse to deal with it. Ideally with Celestia right there ready to kill it with lots of fire.
Then again... do we WANT that?
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except...
-UNAVAILABLE: The Master is gone.
in regards to wrong keys... can we even use them "subtly"?
Because if they notice it's hardly less suspicious than banishment.
that's fairly reassuring.
keep in mind we recruited the top 1%, basically. I think 15 to 20ish is more reasonable, why would we bring guards that are not EXCELLENT to the fight?
definitely nothing like Shining at +25, but it would feel weird to bring someone under 15 to this fight I think unless we're really that short on capable guards.
side note, that was actually a fairly ingenious trap. to reach that door, you needed dark magic. but using dark magic against the door just triggered the nightmare I think.
fighting by their side will still likely build up trust, but you have a point.
an expedition for moth 6 sacrament is probably more doable, I think, but yeah, it IS in theory doable.
I still would prefer just going for All In at that point though.
so only one person at a time is harmed? That's good! It improves our chances significantly if ALL 7 need to fail the challenge for us to get any damage!
...seems like I missed the vote.
oh well, I'm fine with what won.
Hopefully we don't get hurt so we CAN do Biedde next turn... I'm not too worried about Midday Dew all things considered.
a warning is probably a decent pick. the main danger from him at this point would be if he reached the Branding Door and noticed we're branded. anything else doesn't matter THAT much.
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No, if the windigo rolls better than Velvet it gets overflow towards wounding velvet. If any of the guards roll higher than the windigo Team Velvet gains progress towards scoring a wound, but if the guards roll lower than the windigo nothing happens. If the guards roll high and Velvet rolls low then the windigo damages velvet and the team damages the windigo simultaneously. The guards roll to see if they contribute damage but do nothing in reducing velvet's damage taken (other than ending the fight and giving the outnumbered penalty).
Also the Master is dead. It was just windigo mindfuckery psychological torment.
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In short, if that Windigo rolls poorly even once, it's probably going to be annihilated unless everyone decides to roll poorly with it.
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Or we could go poking around for a three circle ritual site while we wait to heal. Or we could go with the Baldomare for her Sacrament. Or we could work on mastering the Snekrament.
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Even if we don't get injured, doing this Sacrament makes far more sense to be honest, it's too good of a deal that allows us to not only save time and resources, but we also don't need to get into another crazy fight that we don't need to. (Plus I've never trusted Biede, he's felt off to me ever since he was introduced)
We're getting to a point where time wasted is critical, spending the most valuable resource we have on trying to skirt around doing harmful things. Isn't our Winter Sacrament that we have to kill someone? Our Grail is to basically kill someone's ego and enslave them mentally right? which isn't much better. Moth if I remember correctly is stealing someone's face? No matter what, we'll end up doing terrible things to further our goals, one way or another.
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Or we could focus on acquiring Artifacts instead of Sacraments, since another +10 to a Lore from hitting Lore 5 is less of an overall bonus to an Expedition than just chucking a Level 2 Artifact at a follower.
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Wolf Sacrament does Edge and Winter.
It's cheap, it's easy and it's quick!
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One piece here is that, well, Wolf actions are also incredibly valuable. One got through a door. One killed the Quest's BBEG at the apex of his plan. They're not something to be spent lightly, even considering them purely as a resource and not, y'know, ceding power and influence to literal metaphysical evil!
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Nonono, these ideas are solid.
I am a sane QM, and i can be trusted with a fourth Regrettable Action which will also push us over the 50% threshold
Jokes aside. Ive been dastardly busy. Like, reeeeeally have a lot of stuff going on. Next update already exists in my mind, but havent had the time to sit down and write it. I hope to be able to do so this coming weekend.
I hope you are all doing well! Stay well everyone.
I am a sane QM, and i can be trusted with a fourth Regrettable Action which will also push us over the 50% threshold
Jokes aside. Ive been dastardly busy. Like, reeeeeally have a lot of stuff going on. Next update already exists in my mind, but havent had the time to sit down and write it. I hope to be able to do so this coming weekend.
I hope you are all doing well! Stay well everyone.
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I trust you to be yourself, so i can alredy guess.I am a sane QM, and i can be trusted with a fourth Regrettable Action which will also push us over the 50% threshold
Maybe if the situation gets close to be FUBAR or a game over, but until then...
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I can already see the RA of awakening Softy to save our family from Mareinette in my mind. It is so, so, vivid.
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Can Shattered Risen cast AotL's on our behalf? I'm not sure on the rules for AotL so sorry if that's a dumb question. Are we allowed to do Turn 22 "Comet digs up a body, Winter-revive, both Risens cast Edge AotL's, Velvet uses her free AotL for Edge, go into Edge Sacrament with triple AotL"?
But yeah are there any options for getting BtRC pt 3 completed next turn? The loot from expeditions is consistently massive in value and I really want to raid BtRC3 asap. I'm pretty sure this isn't an "Axe can solo this expedition" sort of mission, so can we afford to send Velvet? The fact that our Lores stack with Axe's general bonus makes the two of them much more capable of crushing any tests than Axe/Selene or Axe/Name where the general bonuses don't stack, and we're intended to send Velvet on Expeditions and get rewarded for doing so, QM described being forced to promise to never go on one as a huge and crippling restriction so I think it'll be worth the AP to make sure btrc gets crushed and we get the huge goodies at the bottom of it. If Axe isn't back next turn we can Velvet/Mareinette instead for basically the same outcome.
But yeah are there any options for getting BtRC pt 3 completed next turn? The loot from expeditions is consistently massive in value and I really want to raid BtRC3 asap. I'm pretty sure this isn't an "Axe can solo this expedition" sort of mission, so can we afford to send Velvet? The fact that our Lores stack with Axe's general bonus makes the two of them much more capable of crushing any tests than Axe/Selene or Axe/Name where the general bonuses don't stack, and we're intended to send Velvet on Expeditions and get rewarded for doing so, QM described being forced to promise to never go on one as a huge and crippling restriction so I think it'll be worth the AP to make sure btrc gets crushed and we get the huge goodies at the bottom of it. If Axe isn't back next turn we can Velvet/Mareinette instead for basically the same outcome.
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