I mean unless the Harmony ending manages to close off access to the Mansus both entirely and permanently, I feel like the cat's kind of out of the bag on that point.
It is the same overall system though (Hours, Names, Long), which I think is what DO is taking umbrage with.
*Coughs politely*
That is what I'm hoping happens.
The Moon ending is literally bringing the old hours back, Glory is making it possible for Hours to rise again and considering how much History loves its patterns I doubt it would be much better than the old world, even with Harmony, because then it will have competition maybe even opponents that are against its influence in the world.
I mean, it feels kind of presumptuous to assume that the Harmony ending will be entirely free of... CS-ness. Considering that this universe is ultimately a fusion of both CS and MLP, and that for whatever Harmony's nature, it is a power born from a world whose fundamental underpinnings are the Lores (because if it weren't it'd be an Outsider
).Didn't they already lose it like millenia ago? Ponies were doing pretty well before the Lores(and the Wolf) came back for round 2.
The "not knowing what we need" thing is a pretty big barrier to actually preparing. Considering 'preparing' basically amounts to... Influences. Throwing a dart at a random Lore and hoping it will be important is a pretty big ask for having to spend a total of 75 bits for a decent shot at a high-level Influence.I did try saying something, but everyone was just like "eh, we didn't need it last time and don't know what we would need anyways."
Frangiclave can be pushed off to T21 if necessary. It was, in fact, the reason I decided I would rather try the Church this turn rather than sometime in the next couple of turns, because even if we fuck up and get wounded or Dread or w/e, we have the wiggle room to recover before we go Frangiclave-ing.
While true, as I have said before, there's a really good chance of it still having some use, and Winter especially is a pretty safe bet.
It's also worth noting that "teaching Harmony to hide" was the Master's idea of a Harmony victory. The Master was, notably, a Moth Name. So there maaaaay have been a bit of bias involved
I did try saying something, but everyone was just like "eh, we didn't need it last time and don't know what we would need anyways."
We might not even get a choice. We don't know how expensive the Frangiclave expedition is.
What I meant here was the permanent loss of the Glory and what it brings will be a terrible thing. Plus the Lores and the Glory haven't really done anything have they? Or rather the Lore's and the Glory can't do anything it's all the old monsters running around now that can. Were the likes of the Master and Marinette not to have made it to the present and someone stumbled on the Mansus on their own then the conversation would be entirely different no? Part of the reason Velvet has to be the one to reach the Glory and not even someone like Luna is allowed to sub in is, beyond this being a Quest and so that is our victory condition, the simple fact we aren't going to trust anyone with the ability to literally decide what the past present and future will be, to decide who rises to Hourhood and what happens to the current iteration of the Lores, will they stay or will they be subverted to something crueler or kinder?
Huh... I'm confused. I didn't understand much of this. Did you mean to say Harmony would take Glory and make it disappear or that it would stop ponies from reaching it(even though they can't reach it already)?
I think people did talk about that a bit when we saw the Mirror Door vision.
Harmony --
Unlikely. What we were told is that Dreamlands would subsume Woods first, so Master would be gone. Other Names would potentially follow as things of the past should make way for the new. Wolf is interesting obstacle, since agony does not have place in Harmony world, but there is no effective way to deal with him except for maybe resurrecting Sun-in-Splendor but Harmony probably does not wish to have such competitor. Unless it plans to become part of new one as final power up?
Well if we're putting on our conspiracy hats, perhaps he is hiding out behind the Tricuspid, waiting to open the final path to Glory for the first adept of this era to open the GateHave we heard about Watchman so far? He is important Mansus climbing related Hour and Velvet climbed to the top without encountering even a trace of him. This is suspicious. Or at least I would say so, if I decide to wear my conspiracy hat today
If the Second Dawn happened then the Pilgrimage happened too, maybe when The Door in the Eye went to Glory History repeated itself and he had the same fate as The Egg Unhatching, it would make sense when you remember their connection.Have we heard about Watchman so far? He is important Mansus climbing related Hour and Velvet climbed to the top without encountering even a trace of him. This is suspicious. Or at least I would say so, if I decide to wear my conspiracy hat today