I can already make glorious Solar babies with Ex2, and even weirder Lunar babiesThink of the GLORIOUS SOLAR BABIES you can make when Eis officially out!
I kinda liked the art with Her Redness. But other than that? I'll see and judge accordingly WHEN it is finally out. From the snippets there are parts I dislike and found boring. Like "Law" of Dimnishment.Think of the GLORIOUS SOLAR BABIES you can make when E
You mean the art they stole?
I'm not quite sure exactly what you are referring to here. Do you mean the reduced scale and/or "power levels"? Solars are still terrifyingly strong, but they do have weaknesses and don't get to win just for showing up.
Dunno wich, saw by accident. One where she sits on the jade, Tiamat-themed, throne and some dude kow tows.
I contributed to the kickstarter. I put my trust in the developers, because I thought they understood the issues the game was facing.
, was of average to poor overall quality in the Backer PDF....That's not even slightly the worst problem with Exigents.
No, not at all. Exalted has always been a game where glorious shining heroes dwell in a gritty, broken world.
The standard special snowflake "I get the unique privilege to be more disappointed than anyone" opener. Yawn.
I'm not sure you know what the issues were given that you're complaining that they took out virtues of all things.
*gives internet cookie*
Truthfully speaking, this ... despite flavor text supporting it, bothered me always. Different set of mechanics for Solars and everyone else.
Where is glory and shining when Solars are RESPONSIBLE for most of the gritty, broken state of the world? When you can steamroll over EVERYTHING and basically punch troublesome things till they "arlight" your responsibility for your own actions shines in the results.
Creation is doomed by local movers and shakers, aka Exalted, own hands because their personal flaws are MORE important.
Lets politely disagree. As far as I know, in Warhammer ... there are some people who try acting like shining heroes of myth. And despite being unable to, make a difference. In Exalted? There is suposed to be people who ARE so ... yet one finds it to be no more than "average Joes with BIGGER sticks acting all crazy monkey".
Bah. I reject the idea that fleshy beings who can be killed through mere magically-enhanced physical violence can rightfully be called more powerful than 3e Solars.
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Exactly. And this is where the so-called "charm bloat" plays into things -- in the old system you could be Hercules in addition to whatever your core character concept was just by picking up one or two charms. In the new system there's an entire tree of stuff for that. Complaining about having too many charms is the same as complaining that you have too many options for fun things to do and character concepts to run. My heart bleeds for you, honest.
I'm curious what it is that you dislike about them. I really like the idea, as I feel like they fill a huge hole. That said, I'm I'm skeptical they'll actually manage to make creating your own viable for the average player.
That's not an entirely new thing. Even in previous editions, the first time the Sun set was a terrifying experience. Still, it's not quite as bad as you describe:
So it's more like taking out an utterly ruinous loan. Even a completely corrupt and amoral god might find it profitable in the long run, though they're unlikely to get their request approved if they don't have a good cover justification.3e core said:
Exactly. And this is where the so-called "charm bloat" plays into things -- in the old system you could be Hercules in addition to whatever your core character concept was just by picking up one or two charms. In the new system there's an entire tree of stuff for that. Complaining about having too many charms is the same as complaining that you have too many options for fun things to do and character concepts to run. My heart bleeds for you, honest.
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Y'think you can maybe not bitch like some more-detached-than-thou prat, here? You comment on my emotional investment, you get my reasoning. Maybe a hundred pounds is spare change to you, but it wasn't to me. Not then.
Virtues were solid. They worked.
Well it's a good thing that you've got no authority.
. Not when it's abandoned many of the things that made Ex1 and Ex2 worth using.For one, not everything stinks. Creation is big, and there are many glorious wonders that don't care about the Realm or Yu Shan.
Solars cannot steamroll over each other. Nor can they effortlessly defeat the Realm, not if the system functions correctly. For that matter, Elder Lunars should also be somewhat dangerous.
That is also true in the real world. Given power, people will try and make the world more to their liking. More power and fewer checks on using it lead to more extreme actions.
Excellence is not always linked to a moral code you share. The Solar Exaltation is not, and has never been, linked to omniversal benevolence.
Have you ever heard of Achillies? Of Heracles? What of Sun Wukong, or Lu Bu? Of Lancelot Du Lac? Of Cerce, and Odysseus?
You remember when we decided that speedbump charms were a fun thing that improved the game, and that balancing a charm by hiding it behind others worked?Exactly. And this is where the so-called "charm bloat" plays into things -- in the old system you could be Hercules in addition to whatever your core character concept was just by picking up one or two charms. In the new system there's an entire tree of stuff for that. Complaining about having too many charms is the same as complaining that you have too many options for fun things to do and character concepts to run. My heart bleeds for you, honest.
Because we already had Godblooded, and calling them Exalted feels cheap. They're being shilled as if they're new.
Your one hundred pounds bought you whatever benefits were promised you for your reward tier, not the right to be supremely asspained about the final product not being every single thing you hoped for. That's a risk you take on knowingly with any sort of preorder, whether it's kickstarter or the latest video game or whatever.
"Planning to" implies you didn't, which means you haven't played it, which means you have no authority to say anything about the game's quality. Saying you know E
because you know Ex2 is like saying you can judge the latest WoD supplement because you played Scion.
Until Exalt comes over and murderhobos it for XP. There is no thing sacred in Exalted. Everything exists to be butchered by Exalt for his newest wanking scheme.
More skilled/lucky Solar will kill the less skilled/lucky one. It's flawed mechanical system when the only risk comes from fighting other Solar. It isn't heroic if you slaughter cows.
Since when Sids and Dragon-Blooded stopped being also Exalted? I blame all of the Exalted Host, Valette. After all they usurped Primordials and thus took the reins of Creation, and responsibility for it as well.
Truthfully? Depends on people with power. Average Joe with super-powers will remain average and you know where it leads. Great person given power? Have a chance to know the pitfalls of absolute power.
When do I claimed so? If I remove Exalt Power from 99%, since I don't know all of them, Exalted? I get your Average Joe/Jane.
Good and evil is simple, it's humans who muddy it to fit their delusions. You need not superpowers to be good or evil. Just make your choices.
How queen being a slaver have a fucking influence of good/evil ratio of your hypotetical personage's choices?
I also heard of Leonidas. And many hailed as heroes in my home country and cursed by our neighbors, who had then their asses kicked.
"Planning to" implies you didn't, which means you haven't played it, which means you have no authority to say anything about the game's quality. Saying you know E
...I am a person, and can have feelings about things I was emotionally and financially invested in.
I'm fairly sure I was quite clear about why I didn't switch."Planning to" implies you didn't, which means you haven't played it, which means you have no authority to say anything about the game's quality. Saying you know E
, that's Motes, WP, Anima level, Health Levels, Charm Reset status, and Initiative. Looks about the same? It's not, given that nearly every bloody charm has a different reset condition, Initiative is bouncing around everywhere by design, and I only have so many tokens for NPCs. craft system, as well. Go on, defend that! If you're so sure that playing with it will reveal how it works better than I think, tell me how so! Because otherwise, that's a core concept that one of the few characters I've had the opportunity to play cannot use in E....That's not how EXP works in Exalted.
I'll not argue that the system doesn't have flaws, but a more powerful and skilled Exalt having an advantage against a less powerful and skilled one is not among them.
Three Dragonblooded, and a large squad of mortal Archers. That's what it takes to kill most Solars. If the Solar is combat-focused and using Artifact equipment, the requirement is somewhat higher.
Then perhaps you should say Exalted rather than Solars. Look at the part I quoted.
...You have completely misunderstood how Exaltation works. Each and every Exalt is an outstanding person.
Good and Evil are subjective. That is the understanding that Exalted is written with.
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Most people think that Slavery is wrong. Don't you?
Indeed. And what they do with their power is what defines the Exalted.I also heard of Leonidas. And many hailed as heroes in my home country and cursed by our neighbors, who had then their asses kicked.
Though my personal standards for heroism are simple. Beat overwhelming odds. While risky prospect, not insurmountable.
Respectable hero? Someone you admire even if he's your bitter enemy. Now ... there is few, even among the mythological ones. Leonidas is one.
The "heroic" Exalted are the Average Joes with super-powers attached. It is not the power that defines a hero, even in Iron Age understanding of the term, but what said Hero does. His or her deeds.
Power is just a nice perk to have.
In core. More will be released, and I daresay that evocations will have some. This is an unacceptable level of bloat in Core.
