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Cytokinesis said:This is ridiculous. At this point I'd be willing to bet that half the forum would gladly chip in to pay for a new server. Why is this problem so difficult to fix that it's taken nearly a year with no progress?
That lawsuit ended months ago.Alectai said:The guy who handles the server has been fighting a lawsuit for two years now, and it's basically kept him from doing his job. He won, but now he's busy playing catch-up.
It's a small miracle SB just has to deal with daily levels of crippling lag instead of being shut down.
Guile said:That lawsuit ended months ago.
Anyhow, I think we should hit the yak kid now. Kyoko would be necessary if Tetsu has some cronies, but Tokyo is supposed to be this magically dead zone or something. So yeah, given Tetsu and MC's magical apotheosis things are a-changing, but I think if we just go in, do Discreet or Arsenal (pick up the Ultimate if we can afford it) and hit him with everything we got, we'll manage. Kyoko is another 1-2 weeks for Tetsu to figure stuff out, plus the potential that Kyoko isn't going to play ball or we'll owe her half a dozen grief seeds.
If we hamstring his operations in a sort of magic-y way, I think we could get him hunting us (as the only magician in his organization, hopefully), but I really can't help but think the most direct approach is best. Blow his brains out from a mile away, using Discreet stealth or Arsenal misdirection to keep him away from us. At most, we get in trouble and pop our Mysterious Voice Power.
People keep saying that Tokyo still is a magical dead-zone, but all we do know is that it has been one.Guile said:That lawsuit ended months ago.
Anyhow, I think we should hit the yak kid now. Kyoko would be necessary if Tetsu has some cronies, but Tokyo is supposed to be this magically dead zone or something. So yeah, given Tetsu and MC's magical apotheosis things are a-changing, but I think if we just go in, do Discreet or Arsenal (pick up the Ultimate if we can afford it) and hit him with everything we got, we'll manage. Kyoko is another 1-2 weeks for Tetsu to figure stuff out, plus the potential that Kyoko isn't going to play ball or we'll owe her half a dozen grief seeds.
If we hamstring his operations in a sort of magic-y way, I think we could get him hunting us (as the only magician in his organization, hopefully), but I really can't help but think the most direct approach is best. Blow his brains out from a mile away, using Discreet stealth or Arsenal misdirection to keep him away from us. At most, we get in trouble and pop our Mysterious Voice Power.
I know that it might work, but having Word of God say that it would be really unlikely for it to be as easy as popping him from behind the grassy knoll makes me quite hesitant to do that without something more substantial to go on.Guile said:If we hamstring his operations in a sort of magic-y way, I think we could get him hunting us (as the only magician in his organization, hopefully), but I really can't help but think the most direct approach is best. Blow his brains out from a mile away, using Discreet stealth or Arsenal misdirection to keep him away from us. At most, we get in trouble and pop our Mysterious Voice Power.
It is possible that kyubey is trying to repopulate Tokyo with witches/litches so the land isn't going to waste. The obvious way to do so is recruit several magicians and just not tell them how to clean their seed so they'll wait away the rest of their gem.Guile said:That lawsuit ended months ago.
Anyhow, I think we should hit the yak kid now. Kyoko would be necessary if Tetsu has some cronies, but Tokyo is supposed to be this magically dead zone or something. So yeah, given Tetsu and MC's magical apotheosis things are a-changing, but I think if we just go in, do Discreet or Arsenal (pick up the Ultimate if we can afford it) and hit him with everything we got, we'll manage. Kyoko is another 1-2 weeks for Tetsu to figure stuff out, plus the potential that Kyoko isn't going to play ball or we'll owe her half a dozen grief seeds.
If we hamstring his operations in a sort of magic-y way, I think we could get him hunting us (as the only magician in his organization, hopefully), but I really can't help but think the most direct approach is best. Blow his brains out from a mile away, using Discreet stealth or Arsenal misdirection to keep him away from us. At most, we get in trouble and pop our Mysterious Voice Power.
Because that's just like us?TheOtherSandman said:I'm not exactly sure why, but the fact that guys are fucking everything up amuses me greatly.
The positive side for the incubators of magic users with increased average lifespan is that it means there are magic users with more experience and are unlikely to witch out being told the truth. This allows magicians to be excelent combatants against a power that already knows the truth.Deadly Snark said:I had a though, it's not very relevant to the choice, but I feel that it's something that we need to consider.
We've been mostly assuming that Magicians are at the end just a variation of the magical girl system, however judging by information from canon, that shouldn't be the case.
For one, there's a reason why Incubators uses girls, the in-series justification is that girls are far more self consicious, more emotivaly variable and thus fall into despair and become witches easier. The problem with boys is not that they're more mature or anything like that, in fact it's possibly the opposite. On average guys enjoys being almost immortable magic wielding badass heroes of mankind much more than girls and are more comfortable with the truth, so it takes them a lot longer to fall into despair.
Now, that's a problem since the goal is to harvest energy from Grief Seeds, and I doubt that granting the wishes is entirely costless for the Incubators. The longer it takes for a magic user to change, the less efficient and profitable the system is. It's not a problem with Puellas, because most of them witch out in months, weeks or even possibly days, resulting in a near constant supply of Despair laden energy that comes reguarly. With guys, it's a lot harder.
We all know this, is what you guys are thinking, so what are you getting at, is what you guys are asking yourself. Easy, my point is that by introducing Magicians into the system, it becomes less profitable and less efficient. Every time a new male user is created, the whole system get's bogged down.
Why? Because they consumme about as much as Puellas, but don't change/produce nearly as often. So it's hard to create a stable population of Litches. Without a stable population of litches and with the population of witches constantly going down due to the new consummers, that means less seeds, that means less energy overtime.
My point is that Magicians are a virus, they are an attempt to sabotage the Incubators's entire energy harvesting system.
LoreOfClarke said:The positive side for the incubators of magic users with increased average lifespan is that it means there are magic users with more experience and are unlikely to witch out being told the truth. This allows magicians to be excelent combatants against a power that already knows the truth.
In short: we were made to fight the incubators enemies, not to witch out.
I think he means that we're Homura hunters; we're meant to off the puella magi that try to unravel the whole system after finding out the truth. We're the cops that drag Thorn away as he screams aloud that Soylent Green is made of people, the operatives that hunt down The Question to keep CADMUS safe.Deadly Snark said:Us, fight against the Incubators's enemies...
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Yeah, I don't see that, because if they're fighting at all, it'll be at a scale that completely dwarfs anything we can imagine. Considering how advanced they should be, they're likely at a level where a few guys with Magic aren't going to do jack shit on the frontlines.
There are plenty of reasons why the incubators might fight a proxy war without making them impossible for us to kill: their enemy may be able to permanently damage the incubators or their collective mind meaning that a proxy is the only way to protect themselves from accidental casualties, the enemy may be able to detect or intercept messages from the collective consciousness meaning magicians are the only beings that can ambush or outplan them, the incubators are incapable of magic (kyubey hints towards this in the anime with a Clarke's third law quote but he isn't exactly a reliable source) and magic is vital to harm the enemies more than superficially.Deadly Snark said:Us, fight against the Incubators's enemies...
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Yeah, I don't see that, because if they're fighting at all, it'll be at a scale that completely dwarfs anything we can imagine. Considering how advanced they should be, they're likely at a level where a few guys with Magic aren't going to do jack shit on the frontlines.
That works too.EnderofWorlds said:I think he means that we're Homura hunters; we're meant to off the puella magi that try to unravel the whole system after finding out the truth. We're the cops that drag Thorn away as he screams aloud that Soylent Green is made of people, the operatives that hunt down The Question to keep CADMUS safe.
Which doesn't make sense, because a growing population of Magicians is far more harmful to the system than any Puella who wanted to stop the operation could.EnderofWorlds said:I think he means that we're Homura hunters; we're meant to off the puella magi that try to unravel the whole system after finding out the truth. We're the cops that drag Thorn away as he screams aloud that Soylent Green is made of people, the operatives that hunt down The Question to keep CADMUS safe.
The magician population doesn't grow. They are made by incubators and so their population is perfectly controllable. We've had no indication that magicians are being created outside of Tokyo.Deadly Snark said:Which doesn't make sense, because a growing population of Magicians is far more harmful to the system than any Puella who wanted to stop the operation could.
LoreOfClarke said:There are plenty of reasons why the incubators might fight a proxy war without making them impossible for us to kill: their enemy may be able to permanently damage the incubators or their collective mind meaning that a proxy is the only way to protect themselves from accidental casualties, the enemy may be able to detect or intercept messages from the collective consciousness meaning magicians are the only beings that can ambush or outplan them, the incubators are incapable of magic (kyubey hints towards this in the anime with a Clarke's third law quote but he isn't exactly a reliable source) and magic is vital to harm the enemies more than superficially.
It just grew from 0, to 2. And you've apparently missed the implications of my theory. So let me spell it out for you.LoreOfClarke said:The magician population doesn't grow. They are made by incubators and so their population is perfectly controllable. We've had no indication that magicians are being created outside of Tokyo.
If figuring out Tetsu's various defenses, neatly bypassing them and then cleanly taking him out is Plan A, then we already have a Plan B.Eler0 said:I think we should go and try to hire Kyoko because it gives us a plan B if he has minions or can detect our bullets or has some other ace up his sleeve. It just helps with dealing with something unexpected. In an ideal world, we could just headshot him from several kilometers away, but she willl be really helpful if we can't. It will also mean more character interaction, so that's a huge plus as well.