Trials of the God-Harem King [Highschool DxD/Exalted] (CLOSED)

[noahgab1133]

I wouldn't worry about issei going tyrant. His compassion score is gonna be way too high for that to happen. Though I shudder to think what will happen if something happens to asia during the shalba and diodora arc.

Also was playing ff12 today and finally beat yiazmat today. But he did have a ability that i think will perfectly match issei in this quest growing threat. though i do not know how charms are made or requirements for them. can someone help?

 

[Noctum]

[X] No need to worry about witnesses, the way these things are going you'll probably have to do some memory erasure regardless of whether your anima banner lights up or not. Boosted Gear blazes gold as you trigger Fists of Iron Technique, Orichalcum Fists of Battle, and Fist of the Daystar Form while your opponent charges at you, trying to smite you into the pavement with an overhand blow.

*reads world-body discussion*
*sigh*

Okay, time for Primordial meta-physical-biology 101 people.

A Primordial is best described[1] as a living concept, a being so vast and powerful that their soul overflows and forms semi-independent beings in their own right, each of whom is also metaphysically powerful to create 7 independent souls of their own. The Primordials souls are the demons/devas of the Third Circle, each of which represents an intimacy or facet of the Primordial's personality. The most powerful and important Third Circle is called the fetich or heart soul, and is the representation of the core of the Primordial's personality and character. Slaying a Third Circle causes a major change in their progenitor's personality, and the death of a fetich turns them into an almost unrecognisable being/person, abet on that has a connection to the themes and nature of their predecessor.

At the same time, Primordial's physical forms are so overwhelmingly potent as to be able to exist in multiple locations and shapes at the same time. Each of these bodies is called a jouten. The most famous jouten of each Primordial or Yozi are their world-jouten and their human form jouten[2]. For example, Malefas is both the Demon City and the Brass Dancer at the same time, and a dozen other forms like a great black granite mausoleum. All of these bodies are jouten, a direct part of the Primordial's being. Destroying one is a direct attack on the Yozi, even more so than slaying a Third Circle soul, and on that will bring their full wrath down on the perpetrators.[3]

For now the Infernals are young, and even those few that have begun to walk the path of the Devil-Tiger cannot match these causal achievements of their would-be masters. They lack the weakness of the fetich for they need only themselves to anchor their heart-core in reality. But neither have they yet matched the co-location of the Yozi. In the future they may yet be able to draw upon the kilo-mote reserves of a Primordial scale being, and shape whole nations with the wave of a hand. And those ephemeral, fragile constructs within their souls may become fully real worlds in their own right, and each new Titan exists as both person and world. A few may yet even look upon the nature of their former patrons, and craft even more bodies for themselves, to better fufil their new world-shaping plans...

[1] As we mere mortals can conceive of such beings.
[2] The Ebon Dragon is the exception as usual. He would have no being be above him, not even himself.[4]
[3] In so far as such Titans notice beings on the scale of insects to them.
[4] He's a Yozi. Such twisted logic is the rule of the day.

So basically if we get to Cosmic Dragon, then Ise might have at least two bodies:
1) The one he was born with.
2) The new world growing within his soul or in a universe half a step to the side of the universe he's in at the moment.
As well as any others that he might develop (like the multi-mile long Dragon from Alex is suggesting. Another body might be a great and grand gallery, which only a chosen few can enter, home to art and memories of his loves.

...yeh, mimicking Primordial meta-soul-architecture is fun.

(why I do love Yozi metaphysics and Devil-Tigers, why do you ask?)

 

[Introspective Tinkerer]

[X] No need to worry about witnesses, the way these things are going you'll probably have to do some memory erasure regardless of whether your anima banner lights up or not. Boosted Gear blazes gold as you trigger Fists of Iron Technique, Orichalcum Fists of Battle, and Fist of the Daystar Form while your opponent charges at you, trying to smite you into the pavement with an overhand blow.

*reads world-body discussion*
*sigh*

Okay, time for Primordial meta-physical-biology 101 people.

A Primordial is best described[1] as a living concept, a being so vast and powerful that their soul overflows and forms semi-independent beings in their own right, each of whom is also metaphysically powerful to create 7 independent souls of their own. The Primordials souls are the demons/devas of the Third Circle, each of which represents an intimacy or facet of the Primordial's personality. The most powerful and important Third Circle is called the fetich or heart soul, and is the representation of the core of the Primordial's personality and character. Slaying a Third Circle causes a major change in their progenitor's personality, and the death of a fetich turns them into an almost unrecognisable being/person, abet on that has a connection to the themes and nature of their predecessor.

At the same time, Primordial's physical forms are so overwhelmingly potent as to be able to exist in multiple locations and shapes at the same time. Each of these bodies is called a jouten. The most famous jouten of each Primordial or Yozi are their world-jouten and their human form jouten[2]. For example, Malefas is both the Demon City and the Brass Dancer at the same time, and a dozen other forms like a great black granite mausoleum. All of these bodies are jouten, a direct part of the Primordial's being. Destroying one is a direct attack on the Yozi, even more so than slaying a Third Circle soul, and on that will bring their full wrath down on the perpetrators.[3]

For now the Infernals are young, and even those few that have begun to walk the path of the Devil-Tiger cannot match these causal achievements of their would-be masters. They lack the weakness of the fetich for they need only themselves to anchor their heart-core in reality. But neither have they yet matched the co-location of the Yozi. In the future they may yet be able to draw upon the kilo-mote reserves of a Primordial scale being, and shape whole nations with the wave of a hand. And those ephemeral, fragile constructs within their souls may become fully real worlds in their own right, and each new Titan exists as both person and world. A few may yet even look upon the nature of their former patrons, and craft even more bodies for themselves, to better fufil their new world-shaping plans...

[1] As we mere mortals can conceive of such beings.
[2] The Ebon Dragon is the exception as usual. He would have no being be above him, not even himself.[4]
[3] In so far as such Titans notice beings on the scale of insects to them.
[4] He's a Yozi. Such twisted logic is the rule of the day.

So basically if we get to Cosmic Dragon, then Ise might have at least two bodies:
1) The one he was born with.
2) The new world growing within his soul or in a universe half a step to the side of the universe he's in at the moment.
As well as any others that he might develop (like the multi-mile long Dragon from Alex is suggesting. Another body might be a great and grand gallery, which only a chosen few can enter, home to art and memories of his loves.

...yeh, mimicking Primordial meta-soul-architecture is fun.

(why I do love Yozi metaphysics and Devil-Tigers, why do you ask?)

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So what you're saying is that Primordials are living chains?

 

[EternitynChaos]

...not Primordial, not Devil-Tiger, something different, for one thing we don't have the soul architecture of a Primordial, Alexander said I believe we are going to do something Similar to the Devil-Tiger transformation sometime in the future, maybe. As for the miles long Dragon form, I just figured that was like an E6 charm or knack or something /shrug maybe an E7 one, and guys a dragon, getting Stuck, in a shape they don't want... really come on, like that's EVER going to happen

 

[Deathwings]

[X] Activate Boosted Gear, Fists of Iron, Fist of the Daystar Form, Orichalcum Fists of Battle and Monkey Leap Technique. From Personal motes
--[X] With little more then a thought hard earned reflexes come to the fore and you slip into your combat stance as essence pools around your fists and body, stone shatters as you propel yourself into the air, deftly manoeuvring your body around one of the lumbering strikes of your target as you fly towards it, fist cocked and blazing with power, you drive your hand into the youkai's face, using the momentum to flip yourself away from the returning arm, and giving yourself time to take a quick glance around the battlefield and see how your companions are doing before landing on your feet once more.

 

[Introspective Tinkerer]

[X] Activate Boosted Gear, Fists of Iron, Fist of the Daystar Form, Orichalcum Fists of Battle and Monkey Leap Technique. From Personal motes
--[X] With little more then a thought hard earned reflexes come to the fore and you slip into your combat stance as essence pools around your fists and body, stone shatters as you propel yourself into the air, deftly manoeuvring your body around one of the lumbering strikes of your target as you fly towards it, fist cocked and blazing with power, you drive your hand into the youkai's face, using the momentum to flip yourself away from the returning arm, and giving yourself time to take a quick glance around the battlefield and see how your companions are doing before landing on your feet once more.

 

[Weero]

...not Primordial, not Devil-Tiger, something different, for one thing we don't have the soul architecture of a Primordial, Alexander said I believe we are going to do something Similar to the Devil-Tiger transformation sometime in the future, maybe. As for the miles long Dragon form, I just figured that was like an E6 charm or knack or something /shrug maybe an E7 one, and guys a dragon, getting Stuck, in a shape they don't want... really come on, like that's EVER going to happen

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Well, when a being gets to that point it's kinda hard to distinguish the differences, no? Cosmic Dragon, Devil-Tiger, to-may-toe, to-mah-toe?

 

[megrisvernin]

[X] Activate Boosted Gear, Fists of Iron, Fist of the Daystar Form, Orichalcum Fists of Battle and Monkey Leap Technique. From Personal motes
--[X] With little more then a thought hard earned reflexes come to the fore and you slip into your combat stance as essence pools around your fists and body, stone shatters as you propel yourself into the air, deftly manoeuvring your body around one of the lumbering strikes of your target as you fly towards it, fist cocked and blazing with power, you drive your hand into the youkai's face, using the momentum to flip yourself away from the returning arm, and giving yourself time to take a quick glance around the battlefield and see how your companions are doing before landing on your feet once more.

 

[noahgab1133]

[X] Activate Boosted Gear, Fists of Iron, Fist of the Daystar Form, Orichalcum Fists of Battle and Monkey Leap Technique. From Personal motes
--[X] With little more then a thought hard earned reflexes come to the fore and you slip into your combat stance as essence pools around your fists and body, stone shatters as you propel yourself into the air, deftly manoeuvring your body around one of the lumbering strikes of your target as you fly towards it, fist cocked and blazing with power, you drive your hand into the youkai's face, using the momentum to flip yourself away from the returning arm, and giving yourself time to take a quick glance around the battlefield and see how your companions are doing before landing on your feet once more.

 

[Noctum]

So what you're saying is that Primordials are living chains?

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? Can you be more clear please?

Well, when a being gets to that point it's kinda hard to distinguish the differences, no? Cosmic Dragon, Devil-Tiger, to-may-toe, to-mah-toe?

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Devil-Tiger = Primordial 2.0 who has transcended to that point with an Infernal exaltation.
Cosmic-Dragon = Primordial 2.0 who was a Solar prior to transcending.
Theoretically the Abyssal equivalent would be called a Nether-Phoenix, or something similar.

That said, such transcendence does not come easily, Solars are Humans writ large, not world shaping titans, and the 'natural' Abyssal transcendence would be closer to the Void or Greater Dead than a Titan. It was only our fortunate circumstances of having a Sacred Gear and being able to tap into the nature and power of Dragons, the greatest of which are Primordial scale beings in their own right that lets us walk this path. Had Issei lacked Boosted Gear, he would have been a 'mere' Solar, nothing more. Impressive yes, but not on the same scale or scope that the Cosmic-Dragon will be. Any other Solars, Abyssals or Exalts would need to find a similarly unique path to Primordialhood as what Issei did.

 

[Alexander]

Also was playing ff12 today and finally beat yiazmat today. But he did have a ability that i think will perfectly match issei in this quest growing threat. though i do not know how charms are made or requirements for them. can someone help?

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I would like to. Send me a PM.

...not Primordial, not Devil-Tiger, something different, for one thing we don't have the soul architecture of a Primordial, Alexander said I believe we are going to do something Similar to the Devil-Tiger transformation sometime in the future, maybe. As for the miles long Dragon form, I just figured that was like an E6 charm or knack or something /shrug maybe an E7 one, and guys a dragon, getting Stuck, in a shape they don't want... really come on, like that's EVER going to happen

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Yes. I repeat: I am drawing inspiration from Yozi and Devil-Tigers, not copying them.

Cosmic Dragon is not better than Primordial, Yozi and/or Devil-Tiger. It's just different.

EDIT: on the subject of Cosmic Dragon Issei, other considerations include:

-The Mythos Exultant's reward may be regaining one Compassion channel (since Issei seems to burn through them a lot)
-As you can see Issei easily creates Intimacy (with females). This can be a strength but also a weakness, and may be a good starting concept for an eventual Behavior Charm Tree.
-Issei's Supremacy is "proving himself above others". A possible Urge would be the "Urge to Surpass". (as another mirror of his pride and self-worth, Issei's Charm would revolve around himself and making himself better, not control or inconvenience others like Malfeas and the Ebon Dragon.
-I am going to create a Homebrew page for future Cosmic Dragon Issei. Only I can post there, but if you have suggestions and/or want to add/change something, send me a PM and post in this thread.

 

[Diller]

[X] Activate Boosted Gear, Fists of Iron, Fist of the Daystar Form, Orichalcum Fists of Battle and Monkey Leap Technique. From Personal motes
--[X] With little more then a thought hard earned reflexes come to the fore and you slip into your combat stance as essence pools around your fists and body, stone shatters as you propel yourself into the air, deftly manoeuvring your body around one of the lumbering strikes of your target as you fly towards it, fist cocked and blazing with power, you drive your hand into the youkai's face, using the momentum to flip yourself away from the returning arm, and giving yourself time to take a quick glance around the battlefield and see how your companions are doing before landing on your feet once more.

Megrisvermin,Deathwings, codeRR,Diller,EternityChaos,noahgab1133, Justbrowsing, Introspective Tinker,staplesdex2


[X] No need to worry about witnesses, the way these things are going you'll probably have to do some memory erasure regardless of whether your anima banner lights up or not. Boosted Gear blazes gold as you trigger Fists of Iron Technique, Orichalcum Fists of Battle, and Fist of the Daystar Form while your opponent charges at you, trying to smite you into the pavement with an overhand blow.

Smuthunter


[X]
You glared at the gorilla thing, Boosted Gear already fully formed, as you activated what you mentally dubbed as the Force Choke function on it, dragging it across the ground suddenly even as you raised your fist back, with Fist of the Daystar Form and Orichalcum Fists of Battle readied to be unleashed on the target of your ire.

kinglugia

Winning vote by 8 votes

[X] Activate Boosted Gear, Fists of Iron, Fist of the Daystar Form, Orichalcum Fists of Battle and Monkey Leap Technique. From Personal motes
--[X] With little more then a thought hard earned reflexes come to the fore and you slip into your combat stance as essence pools around your fists and body, stone shatters as you propel yourself into the air, deftly manoeuvring your body around one of the lumbering strikes of your target as you fly towards it, fist cocked and blazing with power, you drive your hand into the youkai's face, using the momentum to flip yourself away from the returning arm, and giving yourself time to take a quick glance around the battlefield and see how your companions are doing before landing on your feet once more.

 

[kinglugia]

Just gonna prettify things a bit, Alex-kyun~
The Radiant Dragon, The Light of Supremacy

The Red Dragon Emperor, The Crimson Dragon Overlord, The Sovereign Of The Radiant Scales


On the subject of the being widely know as Cosmic Dragon:

The Cosmic Dragon isn't a Primordial, a Yozi or one of those new beings that call themselves Devil-Tigers.

He is not better or inferior. He is different.

I can't stress this enough. To try to understand it by using the aforementioned beings as comparison is to be mislead and to invite disasters upon the perpetrator. Furthermore it is considered a great crime to compare the Radiant Dragon to what are essentially his greatest enemies, closely followed by the Raksha and the Evil Dragons.

This may change in the eventually the Shining Sovereign manages to redeem one to his cause, but until then it is not the case.

However, while being different the Red Dragon Emperor is also similar in some ways to a Yozi and a Devil-Tiger.

The genesis of the Light of Supremacy lies in three elements:
-The inextinguishable potential of the Solar Exaltation, that combines the boundless genius of the Great Maker Autochthon and the intrinsic perfection of the Unconquered Sun, capable of surpassing his own limits;
-What used to be Boosted Gear, one of the thirteen Longinus created by the God of the Bible to chain the soul of what was Ddraig, one of the two Heavenly Dragons.
-The concept-filled essence of Ophis, the Infinite, and Great Red, the Dream.

All three elements worked together to give birth to the Radiant Dragon, who used known elements and themes from two vastly different worlds to fashion his own existence.

This is way he is different but also similar.

What I am going to pen is the truth as far as we are aware of it. That is, if the "truth" that the Radiant Dragon is can even be understood at all.

But if someone can, incarnate, I place my hope in the fact it would be you.

Rias, the Crimson-Ruin Princess, sixth soul-mate of the Radiant Dragon

 

[kinglugia]

Question:
Can the Radiant Dragon, theoretically, strive to surpass the Unconquered Sun?
Because when you meant supremacy in all things (and strive for perfection), and UCS is the epitome of perfection...
Welp, time to get ourselves a rival?

 

[nightblade]

You know I'm pretty sure Rias is the fifth girl Issei hooked up with alex.

 

[Alexander]

Question:
Can the Radiant Dragon, theoretically, strive to surpass the Unconquered Sun?
Because when you meant supremacy in all things (and strive for perfection), and UCS is the epitome of perfection...
Welp, time to get ourselves a rival?

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...This can either be glorious or result in ruin.

Whelp, I found a good concept for a scenario.

You know I'm pretty sure Rias is the fifth girl Issei hooked up with alex.

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Yes. So?

Oh, you mean about the "soul-mate" thing? Oh, there is a reason for that.

 

[touhou ranfuku]

...This can either be glorious or result in ruin.

Whelp, I found a good concept for a scenario.Yes. So?

Oh, you mean about the "soul-mate" thing? Oh, there is a reason for that.

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My red alarm didn't scream LUNAR MATE, no it didn't I swear.

 

[EternitynChaos]

One thing I would think Issei would gain is a charm that let him have an unlimited number of positive Intimacies, similar to Kimbery and negative ones, and also gain power from them like she does negative ones. Him gaining compassion channels sounds right considering the way we go through them like candy /laugh, maybe give him a bonus ability if he's got people he shares a positive intimacy around him, letting him pick a second option as well as the compassion channel while they get the stunt bonus themselves as well?

 

[kinglugia]

...I shudder to think what would happen if an Eclipse Caste gain access to the Dragon Knacks as well, since for some reason, if said Eclipse learns every single Resistance charms that increases Soak and Health Levels from the various Exalts (excluding Infernals and Abyssals, of course), and gains access to the Dragon Knack variant of Ox Body Technique...mega health levels of oh god why. And Soak combos well with it.

 

[sworded]

...I shudder to think what would happen if an Eclipse Caste gain access to the Dragon Knacks as well, since for some reason, if said Eclipse learns every single Resistance charms that increases Soak and Health Levels from the various Exalts (excluding Infernals and Abyssals, of course), and gains access to the Dragon Knack variant of Ox Body Technique...mega health levels of oh god why. And Soak combos well with it.

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It wouldn't be as bad as you think since the canon Ox Body Technique(s) all say that any combination of purchases tops out at a number equal to the lesser of their Stamina and Resistance.

 

[The Slumbering Crocodile]

Question:
Can the Radiant Dragon, theoretically, strive to surpass the Unconquered Sun?
Because when you meant supremacy in all things (and strive for perfection), and UCS is the epitome of perfection...
Welp, time to get ourselves a rival?

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Regular Solars can surpass the Unconquered Sun. He has hard limits, they do not. Hell, a single combat-focused Solar could take the UCS, if he convinced him to drop his Temperance.

 

[Alexander]

Regular Solars can surpass the Unconquered Sun. He has hard limits, they do not. Hell, a single combat-focused Solar cold take the UCS, if he convinced him to drop his Temeprance.

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A single one? My bet is on a full Circle.

Anyway, I added this on the Homebrew thread:

Fate-Defying Heart of the Radiant Dragon
Cost: 4m
Mins: Essence 1
Type: Reflexive (Step 4 for attacker, Step 6 for defender)
Keywords: Combo-OK
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: None
Unlike the Yozi the Radiant Dragon understands failure, for he was once a simple human. Yet, he fought against his fate through unwavering determination and won. An Exalt's player can invoke this Charm after making a stunt-enhanced roll that can be enhanced by the First Radiant Dragon Excellency: remove up to (Stunt Rating ) of the individual dice results and roll them again, applying the second result if the Exalt prefers it. Applied to a static value, this allows the Exalt to increase his effective (Attribute+Ability) by (Stunt Rating +1).
This Charm can never be used together with the First and Second Radiant Dragon Excellency.


What do you think?

 

[EternitynChaos]

Looks like most people are offline atm, for myself, for what it is it looks good, I've never had much time for things like 3rd Excellency and similar reroller charms.

 

[MerelysSoul]

It seems interesting.

 

[Smuthunter]

A single one? My bet is on a full Circle.

Anyway, I added this on the Homebrew thread:

Fate-Defying Heart of the Radiant Dragon
Cost: 4m
Mins: Essence 1
Type: Reflexive (Step 4 for attacker, Step 6 for defender)
Keywords: Combo-OK
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: None
Unlike the Yozi the Radiant Dragon understands failure, for he was once a simple human. Yet, he fought against his fate through unwavering determination and won. An Exalt's player can invoke this Charm after making a stunt-enhanced roll that can be enhanced by the First Radiant Dragon Excellency: remove up to (Stunt Rating ) of the individual dice results and roll them again, applying the second result if the Exalt prefers it. Applied to a static value, this allows the Exalt to increase his effective (Attribute+Ability) by (Stunt Rating +1).
This Charm can never be used together with the First and Second Radiant Dragon Excellency.


What do you think?

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I think for game balance you should probably repost this on the Onyx Path forums and see what more experienced homebrewers think of it.

 

[EternitynChaos]

honestly I care less about what some group somewhere else thinks about what we are doing then I do about if we all are having fun, game balance is all well and good when you've got multiple player characters you need to keep in *as the term goes* balance, but with just Issei, its a much lesser thing, ymmv of course

 

[nightblade]

We getting an update today.

 

[EternitynChaos]

One hopes so, but if not such is life, RL happens after all ^^

 

[Alexander]

I think for game balance you should probably repost this on the Onyx Path forums and see what more experienced homebrewers think of it.

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honestly I care less about what some group somewhere else thinks about what we are doing then I do about if we all are having fun, game balance is all well and good when you've got multiple player characters you need to keep in *as the term goes* balance, but with just Issei, its a much lesser thing, ymmv of course

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Honestly? What Eternity said. Oh, I am all for it if experienced people get a look at the crap I write, make it balanced (with cooler names) and then use it for their own campaigns.

Really, that would be the best.

But honestly? I myself can say that, from an outside perspective, this quest of mine is a bit mary-sueish (more like Invincible Hero but whatever), with Issei getting the best of both worlds. Sure, it's Easy Mode but still.

Tell me I wouldn't look like a noob to them.

EDIT: yes, I'm posting today

 

[Larekko12]

[X] Activate Boosted Gear, Fists of Iron, Fist of the Daystar Form, Orichalcum Fists of Battle and Monkey Leap Technique. From Boosted motes
-[X]As the annoying monkey approaches , you fall into your stance, the corona of you soul blooms lightly scorching the ground, and you are struck with a strange sense of clarity. "I know someone's watching this. ", you say as Repulse the Monkey like like Chase Young, " I am not amused."

Pithy saying, pop culture martial arts reference, and a hint of plot that someone sent the mooks. Is this a stunt?