Pittauro
Versed in the lewd.
- Joined
- Aug 25, 2017
- Messages
- 1,777
- Likes received
- 5,440
We all have our guesses. For example I'm guessing Harmony is either the child of Forge and Sun, or a creation of theirs, or a fragment of Glory (or all of them together).That's.... very fair on each of those.
Pardon. Probably was a bit reaching with most of it. Trying to guess at things forward, so it's more than likely wrong.
Just keep in mind that we don't know what we don't know. We have limited information AND can be wrong.
To be fair at the times she'd also have had allies. Like the other Ligeians, or other Longs and Names and maybe even Hours who DIDN'T want her dead for whatever reason.I just know that it's been mentioned time and again that people tried to kill her before. And that was in a time where the Manus was... there? In charge? The Lores were more active then. People knew of them, and used them. It...
It seems more likely than not that back then, people tried to kill her, likely including with summons, and likely even Names.
If it was as easy as having a name, a summon, and a few useful tools killing her, wouldn't it have happened before?
I definitely believe she CAN be killed, but as the ONLY Name that's fully in the Wake, AND a Ligeian Alukite, AND a Name of Heart, I expect her to be one of the most difficult beings to kill in all the quest. Possibly the most difficult we've met thus far.
She's an Alukite, a Mansus being that partook in the Crime of the Sky and thus was outlawed. But once you are an outlaw, you get to start ignoring laws, and when those are the laws of the world, that is a very potent thing indeed. She does not predate the Mansus.
To be more precise, as far as we know NOTHING is older than the Mansus (and Glory), as the implication is that basically ages comes and ages go, Gods are born and die and sometimes come back from death itself... but the Mansus is eternal.
Something older than the Mansus would have to be by definition older than the world.
Then again, of course, none currently alive is old enough to know for sure. Maybe the gods from Stone knew more, or maybe they also replaced an older set of gods and are as ignorant as we are about the true origins of Mansus and Glory.
Exactly! Even "Abominations" would have allies and "friends". Especially Mareinette as a Name of Grail.Mm. The thing about Marinette surviving through the Mansus era and a bunch of other people trying to kill her is that, well… she wasn't alone.
I mean, even in CS itself she helps the MC to ascend to Namehood, doesn't she? Seen from her point of view, isn't that basically getting a new ally?
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.2 - If Biedde tries to fight Mareinette, Biedde will probably wins...
If Mareinette tries to fight back.
Narratively, she could try to talk to him. She is pretty good at that, and given how Names are independent characters, it is possible she could strike a deal with him for him. You guys don't know what makes Biedde tick yet, and for all that "he wouldn't commit a betrayal" is a valid argument, there is also the point that "Biedde isn't your slave, he is looking out for someone else." Never forget the dangers of incomplete information.
Because remember, regular summons are fully under your control, and wouldn't fall for that. But you guys are planning to use one Biedde to kill Mareinette, not five Windigos. And Biedde has that nifty "Unique" trait that gives him some liberties.
But ultimately, the answer is much simpler than that.
No, really.
Every "combat turn" a character has a chance to act, remember? Every combat turn both sides fight twice, then they get a window to do something.
Mareinette would, uh, simply try to escape. And she might have enough health to "tank" the hits Biedde would land until she finally gets a lucky roll and skeddadles.
Why would she stay and fight? She's a Name of Heart and Grail, the obvious options are either "talk your way out of it" or "tank until you can escape".
Plus any other option unlocked by her secret traits, of course.
Which is why if we REALLY wanted to kill Mareinette, we'd need something truly impressive to stop her from escaping. Something like having Biedde, Celestia, Axe, Selene and Comet all involved for example. Or get artifacts that can help somehow, like some kind of anti-escape artifact (kind of the inverse of our meteor dust that instead helps us escape)
How interested are you guys in a Pride interlude, to follow up on his [Grail]! request towards Axe?
well, I'll in the end be satisfied with anything, but I'm kinda more interested in seeing the rest of the talk with Comet, AND Axe's expedition, AND the result of the scrying for Frangiclave, and Ruined Church....
lots of interesting stuff to see.