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Esquestria: The House of the Sun - A pony cultist experience

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[X] Return home, with Diary, Frangiclave, and something else besides. Or rather, someone. (End the dream, bringing Twilight Sparkle with you, and redistribute your remaining action points.)

Errors are a mean to get better in managing similar problems in the future.

Just repeating them is completely useless and can be seen as malignant.
And we now risk to just repeat the previous errors we made.
 
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Greymere said:
No not particularly. I'm here from the CS side of things. I only watched MLP up to, like... partway through Season 3?
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She is a corrupted version of Sci-Twi who tried to destroy CHS to steal all the magic in Equestria because of Principal Cinch making her release all the magic her device absorbed.

Which happened because she made a device that could absorb magic, Lore in here, so what do you think she would do unsupervised after basically being betrayed, without a support network(mainly Sunset), or mentor, to return her back to normal? Because her human family certainly wasn't enough.
 
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Rafuki22 said:
She is a corrupted version of Sci-Twi who tried to destroy CHS to steal all the magic in Equestria because of Principal Cinch making her release all the magic her device absorbed.

Which happened because she made a device that could absorb magic, Lore in here, so what do you think she would do unsupervised after basically being betrayed, without a support network(mainly Sunset), or mentor, to return her back to normal? Because her human family certainly wasn't enough.
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There isn't any magic in the world right now though. That only happened because Equestrian magic started leaking through from the events of the prior movies, which haven't happened here. Also, Principal Cinch doesn't seem to exist, given how EQ!Twilight is not a Crystal Prep, so that extra pressure to do something rash isn't there either.

Also, in addition to how selfish it would be on Velvet's part, I just don't think bringing in a Twilight clone into a world already going through a scare about doppelgangers would be too much of a hassle in terms of action points to settle down.
 
It is also worth pointing out that, while Velvet can't directly help Pony Twilight, we will be proving to Candance this turn that wounds can be cured using FR, including broken horns like Twilight and Shining have. So the whole "pony Twilight can't use magic, which is her special talent" issue might be solved by somepony else.

It is also worth mentioning that human Velvet was crippled when we first inhabited her body despite using FR in Equestria. So if we bring Human Twilight to Equestria to replace Pony Twilight, she will likely end in Pony Twilight's bidy, which means we would have to use an action to heal her with FR.
 
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You ask her that, and then you explain what that would mean.

You tell her that the journey might be dangerous.

You tell her that she might never come back to this place.

You tell her that there is every chance she would have to abandon everything she has here, in order to jump into a world that will be as novel as it will be alien.
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Cochimetl said:
A thought comes to mind: The Twilights switch places. EQG!Twilight gets to learn about magic and the Lores, has the adventure she's always dreamed of.
What happens when she decides she'd like to return? Visit her family and show them that she was right?
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We've already told her the risks involved. She would follow us knowing this.

I think its important to consider in this decision that both Twilights feel completely alone, but they have different desires due to different situations.
 
Limabot said:
There isn't any magic in the world right now though.
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I said Lores not magic right?
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And then, you give the door another light knock and-



-BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!-



-you lock it again.

"So it IS a detector," you say with a smile on her face.

"It is… it's a proto-… I mean, I didn't have proof th-…" she says, with a tone that makes it clear she isn't even thinking about it. That her mind is too overwhelmed by other thoughts for her to realize what she is saying. "How… how did you do that?"

And, as scientists like her are wont to do, she finishes off by asking what really matters in her heart of hearts.

But the only answer you give her is a knowing smile.

Because you think you understand her a little better now. There is certainly more to her than just this, but you think you get it.

Twilight Sparkle is researching… magic. Magic, or maybe the lores, or perhaps something that she just couldn't find the explanation for anywhere else in this world.
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And even if the principal doesn't exist, being betrayed and possibly confronted by Sunset could make things get ugly very fast.
Cochimetl said:
What happens when she decides she'd like to return? Visit her family and show them that she was right?
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If she wants to return, which she doesn't.

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So if we bring Human Twilight to Equestria to replace Pony Twilight, she will likely end in Pony Twilight's bidy, which means we would have to use an action to heal her with FR.
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That happened because Velvet took over the body of human Velvet, the Twilights would be literally swapping places.

Which has it's problems admitedly, but what option doesn't have them?
 
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Flaregamer82253 said:
We've already told her the risks involved. She would follow us knowing this.

I think its important to consider in this decision that both Twilights feel completely alone, but they have different desires due to different situations.
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Because people have never regretted rash decisions they made as impulsive teenagers that can be really bad at risk assessment.

Also I just want to point out: there is a lot that Velvet is leaving out of her explanation/offer to Twilight. Regarding the method, and regarding the world of Equestria in general. This is not a fully informed decision on Mirror Twilight's part, because Velvet is deliberately omitting information.
 
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Bakkasama said:
So the whole "pony Twilight can't use magic, which is her special talent" issue might be solved by somepony else.
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Once again I shall remind people that Twilight is still using magic to do things like open and close doors despite her broken horn.

If you put her in the mirror world she can't even do that.

Additionally, I don't want to invest AP in getting Sci-Twi used to a new world. I don't want to answer awkward questions about her drastic change in behavior. I don't want to have to explain to Cadance why we've swapped Twilights across dimensions. And I don't want to throw Twilight into yet another instance of the whole world gaslighting her. At least sci-twi has science here, Mag-Twi won't even have that!

No, I'd rather dodge such considerable headaches altogether.
 
[X] Return home, with Diary, Frangiclave, and something else besides. Or rather, someone. (End the dream, bringing Twilight Sparkle with you, and redistribute your remaining action points.)
 
[X] Return home, with Diary and Frangiclave, and fulfill your bargain with the Daughter-of-Axes. (End the dream, and redistribute your remaining action points.)
 
Greymere said:
Because people have never regretted rash decisions they made as impulsive teenagers that can be really bad at risk assessment.

Also I just want to point out: there is a lot that Velvet is leaving out of her explanation/offer to Twilight. Regarding the method, and regarding the world of Equestria in general. This is not a fully informed decision on Mirror Twilight's part, because Velvet is deliberately omitting information.
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Velvet is certainly not telling her everything, that's the kind of person Velvet is at this point, but I don't think the things she isn't being told would really change her decision if my read on EQG Twilight is right. Then again, that's my read on her. I could always be wrong.

The way I see it, we've told Twilight what she has to gain and what she has to lose. Those are the most important things to consider for Twilght's decision, which she has already agreed to do.She's had time to think about it and consider the decision by now. If she regrets this later, and that's only an if, then that's something she's just gonna have to live with, no different than how Velvet and us have to live with the regrets of our choices.
 
Flaregamer82253 said:
Velvet is certainly not telling her everything, that's the kind of person Velvet is at this point, but I don't think the things she isn't being told would really change her decision if my read on EQG Twilight is right. Then again, that's my read on her. I could always be wrong.

The way I see it, we've told Twilight what she has to gain and what she has to lose. Those are the most important things to consider for Twilght's decision, which she has already agreed to do.She's had time to think about it and consider the decision by now. If she regrets this later, and that's only an if, then that's something she's just gonna have to live with, no different than how Velvet and us have to live with the regrets of our choices.
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Idk man, maybe it's just me, but if someone came up to me that I could have everything I'd ever dreamed of but I would have to, very literally, steal and wear the life and face of another person to do it, I wouldn't be super down for it. Right now Velvet is portraying the offer as something that only directly affects and costs Mirror Twilight, which is just objectively not true.

There's also the fact that Velvet's told her next-to-nothing about what Equestria actually is, just that it's 'alien and novel'. This is very vague, and does not inform about any of the following: that it would turn her into a horse, that the world/country is currently recovering from a nationwide tragedy, that people are currently very paranoid about doppelgangers, the general political instability, anything relating to the fact that "she" will have a history and relationships that she knows literally nothing about, how dangerous the world is in general compared to a modern-era city with Harmony-enforced(?) routine (see: the Everfree Forest right next door to Ponyville).

The difference is that we, or rather Velvet, have the ability to give her context and let her make a fully informed decision. But she isn't, she's leaving out very pertinent information. If Mirror Twilight regrets it later, it's not a matter of "oh well you'll have to just live with it", it's a case of "we misled you by deliberately providing incomplete information".
 
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Alan975 said:
Ya, i get that.

I believe that Wolf-Twi is going to be a bigger headache, but i get wanting to drop this hot potato
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For my two cents on this, The Wolf-Therapy group isn't actually that much of a threat to us, aside from the small possibility of one of them doing something dumb and summoning a corpse-spirit from the Ashlands in Ponyville. If anything, the main victims in this are the members themselves. Granted, that will probably change if we get another Wolf-Stain, but I don't think that's too likely right now.
 
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Summary:

For Sci-Twi:
Medium to very good.

For Equestria Twilight: Very bad to good.

For Velvet:
Bad to Good.

For winning:
Bad to good.

I'm personally on good-bad-bad-medium.

In "For Velvet" I should also add that I don't think the best moral option is choosing to completely upend the life of others without their knowledge.

Let me know what other considerations to add!
 
[X] Return home, with Diary and Frangiclave, and fulfill your bargain with the Daughter-of-Axes. (End the dream, and redistribute your remaining action points.)

I'm not having the unholy moral and logistical nightmare of trying to make the Twilight switch happen right now.
 
Talon Tiger Dino said:
Equestria Twilight getting the last of her magic taken away, getting thrown into a body she isn't used to, and being told that everything she ever remembered is a lie is somehow good?
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As OurLady said there is an interpretation where Twilight is happy with being in Sci-Twi place, is that likely? Maybe, maybe not, depends on the dice.
 
[X] Return home, with Diary, Frangiclave, and something else besides. Or rather, someone. (End the dream, bringing Twilight Sparkle with you, and redistribute your remaining action points.)
 
Rafuki22 said:
As OurLady said there is an interpretation where Twilight is happy with being in Sci-Twi place, is that likely? Maybe, maybe not, depends on the dice.
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Honestly that interpretation reads as Velvet desperately trying to justify such a decision to herself.

Seriously, imagine if you woke up in the body of a fish one day with two other fish you've never met claiming to be your parents, who insist you never had a younger sibling and point to like, a pet shrimp and say that that's the only thing they've ever known by the name of said younger sibling. Also everyone tells you that thumbs don't exist, you never were a human, and keep trying to remind you of past events you never lived.

That's the life you are signing Twilight up for.
 
[X] Return home, with Diary, Frangiclave, and something else besides. Or rather, someone. (End the dream, bringing Twilight Sparkle with you, and redistribute your remaining action points.)

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[] Return home, with Diary and Frangiclave, and fulfill your bargain with the Daughter-of-Axes. (End the dream, and redistribute your remaining action points.)

Because dumping this place is more important then what we take with us.
 
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Greymere said:
The difference is that we, or rather Velvet, have the ability to give her context and let her make a fully informed decision. But she isn't, she's leaving out very pertinent information. If Mirror Twilight regrets it later, it's not a matter of "oh well you'll have to just live with it", it's a case of "we misled you by deliberately providing incomplete information".
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I think to Sci-Twi, all of these would just be minor obstacles to overcome in her perspective. Between the chance to explore a part of life she's always been searching for and someone to guide her through it while believing in her, all of these would just be rocky steps on the road.

Well, that laser, single-focus is how I understand her. If we decide not to go through with it, then I hope she finds more opportunities, or even just that she adjusts well in her future. I just don't see it myself from the signs I've already seen.

I appreciate the discussion though, making me think about my stance further and further.

Talon Tiger Dino said:
Equestria Twilight getting the last of her magic taken away, getting thrown into a body she isn't used to, and being told that everything she ever remembered is a lie is somehow good?
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I believe pony Twilight benefits greatly from a nearly clean slate at this point. It at least won't have as much baggage as she has here. If a certain bacon horse can make it, then t'll trust Twilight can too.
 
Flaregamer82253 said:
I believe pony Twilight benefits greatly from a nearly clean slate at this point. It at least won't have as much baggage as she has here. If a certain bacon horse can make it, then t'll trust Twilight can too.
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Are you forgetting that Sunset ran away willingly and Twilight would not be deciding to leave Equestria but being thrown out so another version of herself can take her place? Without even knowing what happened, to boot.

Now I can't help but wonder what DoA will think of it.
 
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